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@fortunerman: sepertinya toyota turun ya di amrik? apakah ini karena recall besar2an 1-2 tahun kemarin? :e-think:

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Hmm.... Toyota..

Always reliable. Merk Jepang yang ane hormatin atas pencapaiannya, walau ane gak prefer brand Jepang. Bravo, karena telah menanamkan nilai2 kualitas pada produk2 anda, Mr Sakichi Toyoda (alm.)! :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Hmm.... Toyota..

Always reliable. Merk Jepang yang ane hormatin atas pencapaiannya, walau ane gak prefer brand Jepang. Bravo, karena telah menanamkan nilai2 kualitas pada produk2 anda, Mr Sakichi Toyoda (alm.)! :frm_salut: :frm_salut:
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grandscenic wrote:Ane gak bandingin S-Class vs Avanza, jelas ini mah lain kelas, maksud ane,, yg qta bayar sepadan dgn yg kita dapat. Seperti om NG bilang miara Eropa lbh manja tp terbayar dgn kenyamanan dll, begitu lho.
Melihara Crown Royal Saloon lebih mahal/manja dari Avanza, tapi terbayar dengan kenyamanan dll. Iya juga kan? Ya iyalah, kelas mobilnya jauh, yg kita bayar sepadan dengan yg kita dapat. Maka itu saya bilang diskusikan perawatan Jepang vs perawatan Eropa yg sekelas. Kalo udah nyebut Audi, BMW, Mercedes - gak relevan Avanza masuk diskusi :p

Lexus vs Mercedes. Siapa yg jauh lebih reliable? Apakah MB jauh lebih nyaman dari Lexus? "manja terbayar dengan kenyamanan"? hmmm...mendingan mana vs "gak manja DAN nyaman"? Jawabannya tergantung masing2 - soalnya pamornya Mercedes vs Lexus masih ada jarak. soal design juga masih ada jarak. Kalo teknologi...beda tipis. Banyak orang yg mau bayar mahal untuk design + pamor, lebih manja gpp. Ada yg mau ketentraman hati nyaman dan reliable, design boring dan gak jreng gpp.
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hmmmm........ tu yg toyota apanja masuk ga???? apa masuk ke senia???
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http://www.insideline.com/honda/honda-t ... urvey.html
Honda, Toyota Dominate New Consumer Reports Reliability Survey
Published Oct 27, 2010

Just the Facts:
Honda and Toyota make the most reliable vehicles sold in the U.S., according to the 2010 auto reliability survey from Consumer Reports.
The consumer watchdog said that Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz vehicles are "among the worst."
Ford came out on top of GM and Chrysler in the new survey.

YONKERS, New York — Honda and Toyota were singled out for making the most reliable vehicles sold in the U.S., according to the 2010 auto reliability survey from Consumer Reports. The consumer watchdog said that Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz vehicles are "among the worst" in terms of reliability.

Ford came out on top of GM and Chrysler in the new survey and now "ranks just below Lexus," noted Consumer Reports. GM was praised for making strides in reliability since shedding "models with subpar reliability when it shut down the Saturn, Pontiac and Hummer brands," the survey noted. But Chrysler was criticized for its "dated models."

"The Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep brands are saddled with dated models," said Consumer Reports in a statement on Tuesday. "Twelve of the 20 models that CR had sufficient data for rated below average in reliability. None of Chrysler Corporation's models scored above average."

Surprisingly, Toyota's massive recalls did not seem to hurt the Asian automaker much. Consumer Reports said that Toyota models, including those from Scion and Lexus, "remained among the most reliable and earned top scores in five vehicle categories." They include the Toyota Yaris, Toyota FJ Cruiser, Lexus LX, Toyota Sienna and Toyota Tundra V6. The Lexus GS and Lexus IS 250 convertible are below average, while the 2010 Toyota Prius was "hurt by anti-lock-brake problems on early vehicles and scored only average," the survey said.

European reliability has "stalled," said Consumer Reports.

"All Porsche and Volvo models are rated average or better," it said. "But Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are among the worst automakers overall in terms of reliability. BMW had a bad year, with five of its 11 models scoring below average."

Almost all of the Audi models were "below average."

"The A6 with the new supercharged 3.0-liter V6 was tied with the Jaguar XF for the worst new car prediction score," it said. "The Porsche Boxster has the best predicted reliability score in Consumer Reports survey, while the Audi A6 3.0T and Jaguar XF have the worst."
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Atas ane, SALES TOYOTA Y?!

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katanya mercy mutunya jelek, kurang reliable, kok di table jd power malah jelas mutu reliability mercy malah lebih bagus banding toyota ? jadi mana yang benar nih ? juga kalau mercy gitu jelek, kok di Indonesia sendiri mercy / bmw masih jauh lebih laku banding lexus ? emang orang kaya Indonesia suka mobil yang rewel ? kenapa mereka ngak beli lexus ?

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007 wrote:katanya mercy mutunya jelek, kurang reliable, kok di table jd power malah jelas mutu reliability mercy malah lebih bagus banding toyota ? jadi mana yang benar nih ? juga kalau mercy gitu jelek, kok di Indonesia sendiri mercy / bmw masih jauh lebih laku banding lexus ? emang orang kaya Indonesia suka mobil yang rewel ? kenapa mereka ngak beli lexus ?

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Hehehe....

Sabar atuh broooo.. makanya dicerna dulu dengan logika yang jernih sebelum posting. Baca baik2 judul tabelnya, maka anda akan ngerti bahwa statement anda yang saya bold merah itu salah tangkap. :)

Soal Merc dan Beemer kok jauh lebih laku, hadeh, anda kok menilai sangat pendek dan parsial y? Broooooo, Mercy itu uda SERATUS TAUN eksis di Indo, ATPM resmi (dulu) si Star Motors itu uda ada sejak akir 60an, Tjahya Sakti di era 70an. Lexus? Yah, baru tadi sore mulai jualan di Indo.. :ngacir: :ngacir:
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bmw mutunya jelek yah ? di china malah sangat di minati.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/03/24/bmw-i ... and-china/

jangan jangan orang kaya china juga seperti orang kaya di indonesia dan banyak negara lain, sukanya habis banyak duit untuk beli mobil mahal namun rewel ? bodoh yah mereka ? tapi kalau bodoh kok bisa kaya ?
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Hehehehe....

Ya udah, marahnya ke si JD sana yang bikin survei.... Tanyain ke JD: 'Bang, di China laku loh BMW, gimana metode survei anda, bang?' Yang jelas sih saya penggemar fanatikus Merc, bukan Lexus, tidak juga BMW, dan gak terlalu peduli ma survei2an gini..

Toyota bagus kok, BMW juga, apalagi Merc.... The one and only, the pioneer.... :)

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di amrik lexus udah lama kan ? buktinya tahun lalu, sebelum terjadi tsunami aja penjualan mercy dan bmw di amrik juga naiknya jauh lebih tajam banding lexus. salah satu faktor adalah lexus begitu banyak masalah di urusan reliability. rewel gitu.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/25/bloo ... as-u-s-lu/
After a decade at the top of the U.S. luxury vehicle sales charts, Lexus may soon be unseated by the previous leader, Mercedes-Benz, as well as BMW. While Lexus sales have been recovering this year from the dismal first half of 2009, Mercedes-Benz has been climbing even faster.


One possible reason for this disparity is the string of recalls Lexus has been hit with this year, including accelerator pedals, floor mats, leaking gas tanks and defective valve-springs. Another reason is the sales strength of Mercedes' updated bread-and-butter vehicles, including the new E-Class.


In June, Lexus sales were up just 2.7 percent compared to 25 percent and 15 percent for Mercedes and BMW respectively. Unless Lexus cleans up its act quickly and manages to convince customers that its quality problems are behind it, Toyota's premium brand could fall behind both German brands.

jangan jangan orang kaya amrik juga sama bodohnya ama orang kaya di china dan indonesia, maunya mobil mahal namun rewel.


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007 wrote:katanya mercy mutunya jelek, kurang reliable, kok di table jd power malah jelas mutu reliability mercy malah lebih bagus banding toyota ? jadi mana yang benar nih ? juga kalau mercy gitu jelek, kok di Indonesia sendiri mercy / bmw masih jauh lebih laku banding lexus ? emang orang kaya Indonesia suka mobil yang rewel ? kenapa mereka ngak beli lexus ?

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Hehehe....

Sabar atuh broooo.. makanya dicerna dulu dengan logika yang jernih sebelum posting. Baca baik2 judul tabelnya, maka anda akan ngerti bahwa statement anda yang saya bold merah itu salah tangkap. :)

Soal Merc dan Beemer kok jauh lebih laku, hadeh, anda kok menilai sangat pendek dan parsial y? Broooooo, Mercy itu uda SERATUS TAUN eksis di Indo, ATPM resmi (dulu) si Star Motors itu uda ada sejak akir 60an, Tjahya Sakti di era 70an. Lexus? Yah, baru tadi sore mulai jualan di Indo.. :ngacir: :ngacir:
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EXACTLY.

Pusing kan kalo ngikutin apa kata survei? Makanya prinsip saya ini, yang bold red....
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Yang jelas sih saya penggemar fanatikus Merc, bukan Lexus, tidak juga BMW, dan gak terlalu peduli ma survei2an gini..

Toyota bagus kok, BMW juga, apalagi Merc.... The one and only, the pioneer.... :)

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setuju. para orang kaya kan ngak mungkin [cencored] kemana mana. tinggal lihat aja mereka duitnya lari ke mana. buktinya quartal pertama 2011, sebelum terjadi tsunami aja, penjualan bmw dan mercedes, duo yang di tuduh mutunya jelek, penjualannya di amrik aja udah nyalip lexus, sang pemimpin selama 11 tahun.


jadi alasan karena tsunami atau lexus pemain baru di amrik tidak berlaku. tsunami kan terjadinya di akhir quartal pertama 2011. justru lexus udah lama di amrik, tau taunya mercy dan bmw belakangan dah nyalip dia. menurut logika saya, mutu mercy dan bmw ngak mungkin kalah ama lexus. survey bilang apa terserah, tapi tetap orang kaya makin doyan bmw dan mercy di mana mana.


apakah mutu makin jelek makin di minati ? justru menurut saya, seharusnya mutu makin bagus penjualan baru bisa naik terus, dan mampu nyalip lexus.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-0 ... arter.html

Daimler AG (DAI)’s Mercedes-Benz topped Toyota Motor Corp. (7203)’s Lexus in the U.S. in March, marking a third straight month the Japanese brand has failed to come out on top after winning the annual luxury race for 11 years.


Mercedes U.S. deliveries, boosted by sales of its E-Class and C-Class sedans, rose 9.4 percent to 21,484 compared to the same month last year, the Stuttgart, Germany-based automaker said yesterday in a statement. Lexus sales rose 2.3 percent to 20,682 from a year ago while Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW)’s namesake brand reported a 12 percent gain to 20,295.


March’s results combined with January and February make Mercedes the leader for the year so far by 729 sales over BMW and 5,990 over Lexus. Mercedes in the first quarter sold 53,346 vehicles. BMW, which is based in Munich, sold 52,617 and Lexus 47,356.

cuman bisa jadi menurut sales lexus, para orang kaya di manca negara makin bodoh. udah di kasih tau lembaga survey seperti jd power bahwa mutu lexus jauh di atas bmw dan mercy, mereka tetap larinya ke duo jerman itu. entah salah makan apa mereka. dan edannya di amrik aja lexus udah kalah.

Nightster Guy wrote:EXACTLY.

Pusing kan kalo ngikutin apa kata survei? Makanya prinsip saya ini, yang bold red....
Nightster Guy wrote:- CUT -

Yang jelas sih saya penggemar fanatikus Merc, bukan Lexus, tidak juga BMW, dan gak terlalu peduli ma survei2an gini..

Toyota bagus kok, BMW juga, apalagi Merc.... The one and only, the pioneer.... :)

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Pertunjukan baru, akan dimulai... lesehan dulu ahh gelar tiker... :mrgreen:
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007 wrote:setuju. para orang kaya kan ngak mungkin [cencored] kemana mana. tinggal lihat aja mereka duitnya lari ke mana. buktinya quartal pertama 2011, sebelum terjadi tsunami aja, penjualan bmw dan mercedes, duo yang di tuduh mutunya jelek, penjualannya di amrik aja udah nyalip lexus, sang pemimpin selama 11 tahun.
Penjualan naik turun...biasa itu. Pemimpin 11 tahun? Hebat juga...sebagai merek premium seumur jagung :mrgreen: Masa mau selamanya mimpin - gak seru dong peta persaingan
007 wrote:justru lexus udah lama di amrik, tau taunya mercy dan bmw belakangan dah nyalip dia.
BMW dan Mercedes udah jauh lebih lama lagi :mrgreen:
007 wrote:menurut logika saya, mutu mercy dan bmw ngak mungkin kalah ama lexus. survey bilang apa terserah, tapi tetap orang kaya makin doyan bmw dan mercy di mana mana.

apakah mutu makin jelek makin di minati ? justru menurut saya, seharusnya mutu makin bagus penjualan baru bisa naik terus, dan mampu nyalip lexus.
Mutu naik kalo produk2 sudah mulai menua bisa juga turun...mutu naik kalo kalah teknologi bisa juga turun. Jadi mutu bukan satu2nya patokan - ada banyak faktor.
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Eh, bang VM, ni lapak ane jualan teh botol! Ente jangan coba2 jualan dimari yak.. Sono.. Jaga parkir ajah.... :mrgreen:

Lagian apa yang mo didebatin. Namanya aja hasil survei. Sama ajalah ama kayak pemilu kan? Masing2 surveyor punya data masing2 yang saling bertolak belakang. Guenya mah bodo amat, golput abadi ini.... :ngacir: :ngacir:

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Nightster Guy wrote:
007 wrote:katanya mercy mutunya jelek, kurang reliable, kok di table jd power malah jelas mutu reliability mercy malah lebih bagus banding toyota ? jadi mana yang benar nih ? juga kalau mercy gitu jelek, kok di Indonesia sendiri mercy / bmw masih jauh lebih laku banding lexus ? emang orang kaya Indonesia suka mobil yang rewel ? kenapa mereka ngak beli lexus ?

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Hehehe....

Sabar atuh broooo.. makanya dicerna dulu dengan logika yang jernih sebelum posting. Baca baik2 judul tabelnya, maka anda akan ngerti bahwa statement anda yang saya bold merah itu salah tangkap. :)

Soal Merc dan Beemer kok jauh lebih laku, hadeh, anda kok menilai sangat pendek dan parsial y? Broooooo, Mercy itu uda SERATUS TAUN eksis di Indo, ATPM resmi (dulu) si Star Motors itu uda ada sejak akir 60an, Tjahya Sakti di era 70an. Lexus? Yah, baru tadi sore mulai jualan di Indo.. :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Lagian apa yang mo didebatin. Namanya aja hasil survei. Sama ajalah ama kayak pemilu kan? Masing2 surveyor punya data masing2 yang saling bertolak belakang. Guenya mah bodo amat, golput abadi ini.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
Maka itu kita liat banyak data...jangan JD Powers aja...dr TS ada dr WhatCar...dari saya ada JD Powers, Consumer Reports. Jadi banyak data....kesimpulan ya ambil sendiri masing2.
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Nightster Guy wrote:Eh, bang VM, ni lapak ane jualan teh botol! Ente jangan coba2 jualan dimari yak.. Sono.. Jaga parkir ajah.... :mrgreen:

Lagian apa yang mo didebatin. Namanya aja hasil survei. Sama ajalah ama kayak pemilu kan? Masing2 surveyor punya data masing2 yang saling bertolak belakang. Guenya mah bodo amat, golput abadi ini.... :ngacir: :ngacir:

Ntah y apa om FM mo mengcounter hihihihihihi.... Gelar tiker bareng om VM ah, yang tua nyantai....

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pan lagi puasa, juragan... Lapak ane prei kalok siang.. wkwkwk......

Makanya kite gelar tiker aja.... :mrgreen:
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Cang.. Kacaaaang.. Yang rebus yang goreng.. Kacaaaaang.... Om VM bantuin jaga lapak teh botol ane!


Orang jadul taunya ini:
Hidup Atoyot.. (FJ40, KF40, TA27, 2000GT, yummy..)
Hidup Beemer.. (E21, E30 coupe, 2002, yummy juga..)
Mercedes, waw.. One of the best dah....
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Nightster Guy wrote:Cang.. Kacaaaang.. Yang rebus yang goreng.. Kacaaaaang.... Om VM bantuin jaga lapak teh botol ane!


Orang jadul taunya ini:
Hidup Atoyot.. (FJ40, KF40, TA27, 2000GT, yummy..)
Hidup Beemer.. (E21, E30 coupe, 2002, yummy juga..)
Mercedes, waw.. One of the best dah....
Suaranya percis macam tukang kacang di kereta bengawan jurusan tenabang - lempuyangan, om.... :upss: :big_slap: :big_slap:

Sini ane jagain lapak, hehe..dijamin aman terkendali...!

Yap, orang jadul kayak ane mah taunya Kijang Super, Toyota hardtop, Sijuki cery, Daihatsu Taft.. Kalo bimer, paling mentok juga 323i. kalo Mercy, ane masih megang baby benz yg modelnya abadi itu...

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VanzMatic wrote:- CUT -

Sini ane jagain lapak, hehe..dijamin aman terkendali...!

Yap, orang jadul kayak ane mah taunya Kijang Super, Toyota hardtop, Sijuki cery, Daihatsu Taft.. Kalo bimer, paling mentok juga 323i. kalo Mercy, ane masih megang baby benz yg modelnya abadi itu...

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Nightster Guy wrote:
Baby Benz? Nyam2, W201 190E Series....


Mercedes-Benz W201 190E-2.5-16 Evolution I, only 500 units made....(7)
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Nightster Guy wrote:Eh, bang VM, ni lapak ane jualan teh botol! Ente jangan coba2 jualan dimari yak.. Sono.. Jaga parkir ajah.... :mrgreen:

Lagian apa yang mo didebatin. Namanya aja hasil survei. Sama ajalah ama kayak pemilu kan? Masing2 surveyor punya data masing2 yang saling bertolak belakang. Guenya mah bodo amat, golput abadi ini.... :ngacir: :ngacir:

Ntah y apa om FM mo mengcounter hihihihihihi.... Gelar tiker bareng om VM ah, yang tua nyantai....

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kemarin katanya OB alias opisboy sekarang malah jualan teh botol , gimana nih om NG
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