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Re: 10 Mobil Terlaris Juni 2011, Minus City Car

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jalu wrote:
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Chiong... ipah nt underpowered gak? :ungg: :ungg: :ungg:





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tergantung siong.... kalo rute lurus cikampek sehh underpower, 0-100 kph nya aja kalah ama si boyo lipina... apalagi kalo uda lewat 140an.. ntuh jarum speedo serasa ada yg beban 10 ton, susah naek nya.... tapi kalo rute tanjakan cipularang mahh, kalo cuman buat ngasepin apanja mahh... entenggg......
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ngomong2... T31 ama PS nt under atau overpower siong ?? :e-think: :e-think: :e-think:
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Re: 10 Mobil Terlaris Juni 2011, Minus City Car

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Tergantung juga chiong... Kalo kedua mobil tsb disuruh narik truk yg mogok jelas underpowered, tapi lagi2 sama chiong kalo untuk ngasepin apanja mah.....enteng...

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kalo saya rasakan dulu waktu masih pakai daihatsu hiline lelet banget di jalan raya, tapi kalo dilumpur malah lebih galak hiline dibanding mobil2x double cab sekarang.
ada yang tahu gak Daihatsu hiline dulu itu berapa HP tenaganya yak ?
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Dennif wrote:kalo saya rasakan dulu waktu masih pakai daihatsu hiline lelet banget di jalan raya, tapi kalo dilumpur malah lebih galak hiline dibanding mobil2x double cab sekarang.
ada yang tahu gak Daihatsu hiline dulu itu berapa HP tenaganya yak ?
Hehehehe..

Ini udah karakter dasar jip2 badak jadul, bro. FJ, F series, G klasse, Landy series. Di jalan raya bolot, pas cemplungin ke lumpur, sakti dah dianya. Hiline enjin tipe DL50, monggo guling2 speknya.
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doq wrote:G13B DOHC setau saya teknologi nya ga lebih maju kok oom, itu khan mesin taun 80an akhir-90an awal..............
imho lebih karena konstruksi mesin nya aja yg bagus. :e-think:
di tahun 92-94 suzuki jg pernah mengeluarkan cultus suzuka edition, mesin R13B 1298cc, DOHC 16V VVT, 185 HP naturaly aspirated : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Suzuki_engines.

Mungkin krn populasinya yg terbatas, sulit sekali mencari info lbh detail ttg mbl tsb...tapi di beberapa forum meyakini basis mesin tsb lah yang dipakai di mesin motor suzuki hayabusa.
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mantabbb..............1300cc N/A 185HP!!!
habanja underpower sekaleeeee :upss: :upss:
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Kalo ngomongin power to cylinder volume utk produksi massal, belum ada yg ngalahin 4G63T & 4B11T....
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Nanya..

Kalo mesin yang terhebat scara ratio output power to cylinder volume, N/A, untuk mobil produksi masal jalan raya, apa y om2? N/A.. Thanx..
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maskopat wrote:Kalo ngomongin power to cylinder volume utk produksi massal, belum ada yg ngalahin 4G63T & 4B11T....
Adiknya 4B10T dipake inspira proton. biarpun copy desain mobil keseluruhan, tapi berani pake nama sendiri.
kapan indonesia berani pake nama sendiri? padahal industrinya dah cukup bagus yack.... dah ada astra otopart n subsidiaries, indo group yang bisa bikin macem2 komponen kendaraan.
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Casciscus wrote:
maskopat wrote:Kalo ngomongin power to cylinder volume utk produksi massal, belum ada yg ngalahin 4G63T & 4B11T....
Adiknya 4B10T dipake inspira proton. biarpun copy desain mobil keseluruhan, tapi berani pake nama sendiri.
kapan indonesia berani pake nama sendiri? padahal industrinya dah cukup bagus yack.... dah ada astra otopart n subsidiaries, indo group yang bisa bikin macem2 komponen kendaraan.
susah deh kaya nya Astra klo diminta ngedukung merk lokal :shrug: :shrug:
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maskopat wrote:Kalo ngomongin power to cylinder volume utk produksi massal, belum ada yg ngalahin 4G63T & 4B11T....
Nightster Guy wrote:Nanya..

Kalo mesin yang terhebat scara ratio output power to cylinder volume, N/A, untuk mobil produksi masal jalan raya, apa y om2? N/A.. Thanx..
data dari mbak wiki memang tidak 100% akurat dan ga bisa dijadikan pegangan yang valid, tapi setidaknya bisa dijadikan gambaran:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Nanya..

Kalo mesin yang terhebat scara ratio output power to cylinder volume, N/A, untuk mobil produksi masal jalan raya, apa y om2? N/A.. Thanx..
kalo mesin mobil sih masih "kecil" om... setahu ane masih 150HP/L
untuk detailnya, buka roknya tante wiki aja om...
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note: ternyata 4G63T dan 4B11T sudah kalah oleh Koenigsegg Agera R (223 hp/L)... :e-clap:
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doq wrote:
Casciscus wrote:
maskopat wrote:Kalo ngomongin power to cylinder volume utk produksi massal, belum ada yg ngalahin 4G63T & 4B11T....
Adiknya 4B10T dipake inspira proton. biarpun copy desain mobil keseluruhan, tapi berani pake nama sendiri.
kapan indonesia berani pake nama sendiri? padahal industrinya dah cukup bagus yack.... dah ada astra otopart n subsidiaries, indo group yang bisa bikin macem2 komponen kendaraan.
susah deh kaya nya Astra klo diminta ngedukung merk lokal :shrug: :shrug:
oww, yeaaaaaa?????
ada apakah gerangan dengan astra otopart? karena bang jonie kah? ntu kan toyota astra doang.....
inpo yang perlu dijelaskan om doq lebih lanjut ni :e-pray: :e-pray: :e-pray:
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Casciscus wrote:- CUT -

ada apakah gerangan dengan astra otopart? karena bang jonie kah? ntu kan toyota astra doang.....
inpo yang perlu dijelaskan om doq lebih lanjut ni :e-pray: :e-pray: :e-pray:
Mmmm....

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...klo saya bos industri juga bilang gini:
"Ngapain perlu repot2 pake nama sendiri ...begini aja lah (pakai brand ternama)...lebih untung banyak....daripada repot2 bangun brand...habis banyak biaya.......toh masyarakat masih lebih percaya brand sekarang...repot ngedukasinya....belum repot lagi ama prinsipalnya nanti..."

Industri itu bicara untung.....nasionalisme atau apapun namanya belakangan lah.....
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Walaupun pahit...tapi kurang lebih stuju dgn bang abrof.
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itulah bisnis :off_man:
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Yep..

Kurang lebih itulah perkataan si Jojon. Jujur, dari perspektif entitas bisnis, itulah kenyataannya y?

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Re: 10 Mobil Terlaris Juni 2011, Minus City Car

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Indonesia masih tahap cari makan - jadi tukang rakit pun kalo dalam skala besar akan menciptakan lapangan banyak kerja/industri dukungan. Lihat aja Thailand - makmur2 juga.

Kalo model Thailand - yg penting sekarang bagaimana produsen2 asing mau invest dan bikin pabriknya disini untuk konsumsi lokal dan ekspor...bagaimana membuat Indonesia menarik untuk dijadikan basis produksi. Kenapa bisa kalah sama China/Thailand? Jawabannya banyak...hukum gak jelas, pungli tingkat rendah sampe kelas kakap, dll.

Model Malaysia mirip cara IPTN jaman dulu - dipaksakan mau punya mobil nasional, berapa sih nyerap tenaga kerjanya? Sedangkan konsumen otomotifnya dibebankan pajak gila2an kecuali beli mobil merek Malaysia. Proton dan IPTN bisa ada karena ada diktator yg kuat di jamannya. Tapi biar bagaimanapun - Malaysia ngotot dan Proton cukup sukses bisa menjadi merek dunia.

Jadi ada dua "model" tetangga dekat yg bisa kita tiru/pelajari/perbaiki - the Thai model or the Malaysian model. Kalo South Korean model - kayanya udah kejauhan mimpinya - perlu ada semangat entrepreneurship yg tinggi (Indonesia kurang punya) + national pride (atau national hatred) yg tinggi...seperti dongkolnya orang Korea terhadap orang Jepang (Indonesia gak dendam ama siapa2)

Memang cara Indonesia paling kacau - pajak gila2an iya, ada produsen merek nasional dengan dukungan skala besar dr pemerintah juga gak ada, hukum kacau, pungli merajalela. :mrgreen:
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Hehehehe....

Jadi kayak trid sebelah nih....

Barusan temenan ma seseorang yang kayaknya PR di sebuah perusahaan 'mobnas', hmmmm, semangat dan spirit mreka bolehlah diacungin jempol. Biarlah mreka mencoba peruntungan mreka mengambil porsi 'remah2' yang jatuh dari meja makan para ATPM dan prinsipal.

Bagai koloni semut yang mulai bergerilya, gitulah saya menggambarkan mreka, para 'idealist' ini. Mobnas spertinya hanya akan jadi utopia bagi Indo. Dalam arti mobnas yang bakal diterima massal bagai Avanza. Atau dipaksa nerima seperti om FM paparkan dalam kasus Proton.

Tapi 'mobnas' dalam skala yang jauh lebih kecil, menyasar pasar yang tidak tersentuh para gajah, mudahan bisa..

Kadang bingung, om FM, mo cinta atau benci y ma Indonesia hehehehe....
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