New Civic 1.8L and 2.0L

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New Civic 1.8L and 2.0L

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Tampaknya new Civic akan dijual juga dalam versi 2.0L, 155 HP. Bagaimana pendapat rekan2 akan strategi Honda ini?
Tampaknya Honda ingin memposisikan Civic lebih berkelas daripada new Corolla nanti.
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hmmm, kalo civic dgn platform baru diluncurkan, artinya platform lama akan segera ditinggalkan......jadi artinya akan segera muncul crv&stream baru dgn platform civic ini? menurut teman2 gmn?
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ween wrote:hmmm, kalo civic dgn platform baru diluncurkan, artinya platform lama akan segera ditinggalkan......jadi artinya akan segera muncul crv&stream baru dgn platform civic ini? menurut teman2 gmn?
Mr. Ween, Anda ketinggalan berita, tuh. Anda belum pernah lihat thread ini?

http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/viewtopic.php?t=3103

New CRV, October 2006.
New Stream, August 2006.
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hehehe....sebenernya g udah pernah liat web ini, tapi gak ngerti....semuanya pake bahasa dewa......
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ween wrote:hehehe....sebenernya g udah pernah liat web ini, tapi gak ngerti....semuanya pake bahasa dewa......
Waduh, Mr. Ween! Coba Anda highlight nama mobilnya, di bagian bawah window IE Anda akan melihat nama mobil itu in English!
Aku sudah menjelaskannya di thread itu tuh.
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conan wrote:
ween wrote:hehehe....sebenernya g udah pernah liat web ini, tapi gak ngerti....semuanya pake bahasa dewa......
Waduh, Mr. Ween! Coba Anda highlight nama mobilnya, di bagian bawah window IE Anda akan melihat nama mobil itu in English!
Aku sudah menjelaskannya di thread itu tuh.
oooo.......pake ie toh.....pantesan......g coba dulu y....
selama ini gw pake opera....
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Civic 2.0L, nice strategy! asal harganya reasonable, maksud saya, gak terlalu dekat Accord, bisa aja berhasil, namun jika hanya beda di mesin, sebaiknya harga gak terlampau jauh..
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But the new 140 HP, 1.8L engine is a better choice than the old, 155 HP 2.0L engine. Less top speed, but more agile..not to mention the 1.8L's incredible fuel consumption (1 : 18 by Japan standards).
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conan wrote:But the new 140 HP, 1.8L engine is a better choice than the old, 155 HP 2.0L engine. Less top speed, but more agile..not to mention the 1.8L's incredible fuel consumption (1 : 18 by Japan standards).
Hah !? Masa sih bisa 1:18 !? :shock: Irit buanget !? :shock:
Yeah yeah yeah ! ! !
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handa wrote:
conan wrote:But the new 140 HP, 1.8L engine is a better choice than the old, 155 HP 2.0L engine. Less top speed, but more agile..not to mention the 1.8L's incredible fuel consumption (1 : 18 by Japan standards).
Hah !? Masa sih bisa 1:18 !? :shock: Irit buanget !? :shock:
Pengetesan dengan standar Jepang. Untuk kondisi real-life, performa mesin 1.8L ini setara dengan mesin 2.0L dengan konsumsi fuel mesin 1.6L. Yang jelas, lebih irit daripada mesin 1.7L sekarang.
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waktu ngambil BPKB Jazz kemaren sekitar pertengahan Des gw sempat ngobrol ama sales gw mengenai Civic baru. Dia nunjukin surat dari HPM (gw ga sempat baca ditujukan buat siapa, hanya copynya). Produk nya launching sekitar Feb/Mar. CMIIW (karena saya cuma lihat sekilas) ada 3 tipe: 1.8 matik n manual n 2.0 matik. Harga 1.8 manual kalo ga salah 270 juta up to 330 juta buat tipe 2.0 (ditulis jelas2 hanya perkiraan)

Gw lupa dia sempat ngasih tau launchingnya di mal mana, acara khusus pakai undangan juga, tapi toh dia ga berani kasih gw atu :roll: :P
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Kalo dilihat dari harga sekitar 270juta mahal juga ya? jauh dari versi lamanya. Rp 330juta buat 2.0? Hmm, beda cuma Rp30jutaan sama Accord...
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Thanks Mr. Liat2aja, harga Civic ini sesuai perkiraanku. Karena new Civic ini harga dasarnya saja dari Jepangnya sudah 10% lebih mahal dari versi sebelumnya. Consider the 2.0L Civic as the type-S variant (more performance).
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Tadi siang, waktu gue mau keluar dari Pluit, dari cermin gue lihat di belakang mobil gue ada mobil hitam dgn logo Honda yg melaju mendahului gue, tampangnya mirip dgn Civic baru yg baru2 ini diposting di SM, begitu juga bagian belakangnya. Tapi, Honda yg ini cuma 2 Pintu. 8)
Sayang, cepat banget menghilangnya, gak sempat ambil fotonya ... :(
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Sepertinya sih itu Honda Integra..
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yup must be Integra.

Berita terbaru di Otomotif hari ini keluar, katanya Honda bakalan coba impor Honda Civic Hybrid juga barengan dengan peluncuran Civic baru.

Oh ya Civic Hybrid nya jelas2 di gambar Civic baru juga, bukan Civic yang sekarang ada di Indo
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Yg diliat bung Audiophile pasti Integra... bner kata yg lain...
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Iya, pricelistnya sudah keluar:
New Civic
1.800 M/T 270juta
1.800 A/T 280 juta
2.000 A/T 330 juta
Cuman belum jelas spesifikasinya.
Harga segitu mah meningan beli seri 3 tahun '04, ya gak? Gimana menurut teman2?
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Biaya operasional BMW jauh lebih besar daripada Civic ini pak....apalagi masih dapat servis gratis... resale value juga walaupun semestinya tidak bisa dibandingkan, BMW lebih 'jatuh'

Memang sensasi driving-nya beda apalagi dari segi prestise..... merek premium sih...
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Harga segitu (A/T 1.8 L) seh masih masuk akal lah, altis aja harganya lebih mahal lagi kalo gak salah udah 290 lebih (A/T 1.8 L). Kalo dibanding bmw seri 3 bekas th'04 ya masih mending civic lah. Model lebih fresh dan interior jauh lebih keren dari seri 3. Lagian masih full garansi dari atpm.
Perawatan juga jelas lebih murah civic. Dan harga mobil premium bekas (bmw) jatuhnya gila2an dibanding kelas civic.
Oh ya, dimensi civic baru kan lebih besar dari civic sekarang (lebih lega interiornya), tapi gak tau lebih lega mana new civic dibanding dgn bmw seri 3.

Belilah bmw kalo mao mengutamakan gengsi!! :wink:
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The best choice is civic 1.8 L A/T

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Herry wrote: Oh ya, dimensi civic baru kan lebih besar dari civic sekarang (lebih lega interiornya), tapi gak tau lebih lega mana new civic dibanding dgn bmw seri 3.
Kayanya sih lebih lega Civic baru ini deh..... apalagi legroom belakangnya...
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WP wrote:Biaya operasional BMW jauh lebih besar daripada Civic ini pak....apalagi masih dapat servis gratis... resale value juga walaupun semestinya tidak bisa dibandingkan, BMW lebih 'jatuh'

Memang sensasi driving-nya beda apalagi dari segi prestise..... merek premium sih...
Jangan lupa BMW keluaran tahun '04 sudah dapat paket servis gratis 5 tahun loh.
Hmmm, rupanya teman2 masih anggap wajar harga segitu?!!
Bagi saya, beli sedan 270jutaan itu tanggung amat. Maksud saya, kalau concernnya resale value, meningan beli Camry atau Accord 2nd yang baru setahun, pasti lebih nikmat. Sedangkan kalau mau nikmati driving pleasure, meningan beli seri 3 yang 2nd, gitu loh.
Kecuali yang dikeluarkan adalah Civic hatchback versi Euro, then we're talking!! I'll take that anytime!
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Wah, wah...Mr. Herry, sebenarnya aku setuju dengan semua point Anda :
Harga segitu (A/T 1.8 L) seh masih masuk akal lah, altis aja harganya lebih mahal lagi kalo gak salah udah 290 lebih (A/T 1.8 L). Kalo dibanding bmw seri 3 bekas th'04 ya masih mending civic lah. Model lebih fresh dan interior jauh lebih keren dari seri 3. Lagian masih full garansi dari atpm.
Perawatan juga jelas lebih murah civic. Dan harga mobil premium bekas (bmw) jatuhnya gila2an dibanding kelas civic.
Setuju sekali, Civic ini 10 times better than an aging Altis. Dan interiornya, 'terlihat' lebih bagus daripada seri-3, baik E46 maupun the new E90. Mengapa aku katakan 'terlihat', karena kalau belum menyentuhnya, belum bisa mengetahui quality plastic yang digunakan. Biasanya mobil Jepang mutu plastic interiornya tidak sebagus mobil Eropa, apalagi merk2 premium Eropa. Check out an Audi interior and you'll know what I mean. Several classes better than any Toyota/Honda.

Tapi, aku tidak setuju dengan pernyataan Mr. Herry yang satu ini :
Belilah bmw kalo mao mengutamakan gengsi!!
..walaupun rasanya aku mengerti point yang dimaksud Mr. Herry. :wink:

However, just a note untuk rekan2 yang lain, I don't think one can compare a Civic to a 3-series. Civic itu sedan FWD, sama saja konsepnya seperti Vios atau Honda City, fungsinya basic transportation. Lihat saja bentuk Civic baru ini, ruang mesinnya kecil, untuk cukup menampung mesin compact saja. Civic lebih ditujukan sebagai family car, menekankan kelegaan interior dan irit bensin.

Kelasnya berbeda sama sekali dengan BMW seri-3 yang sedan RWD, performance car, konstruksi chassis dan handlingnya pun mampu menangani tenaga sampai lebih dari dua kali lipat dari sebuah Civic. BMW M3 E46 saja tenaganya 343 HP, BMW M3 E90 akan memiliki 400 BHP dari mesin V8-nya. Ruang mesin seri-3 dirancang cukup besar untuk menampung sebuah mesin V8 atau bahkan V10, tidak mungkin memasang di sebuah Civic mesin sebesar ini. Belum lagi M3 versi tuners seperti Hartge dan Hamann, tenaganya lebih gila lagi.

My point is, they're not comparable, kecuali mungkin dari harga (civic baru vs E46 bekas). Mana yang lebih baik, rasanya tergantung dari sifat orangnya. Kalau orang yang hobi menyetir/mengebut dan tidak terlalu peduli dengan interior, seri-3 is a far better choice. Tapi orang yg tidak terlalu hobi ngebut, dan pentingkan model yg fresh, biaya perawatan yg ekonomis dan harga bekas yg bagus, the Civic is a far better choice.

:)

But again, compared to the more pricier ALTIS, the new Civic is the way to GO!! Apalagi kalau dibanding Nissan Blubird Sylphy yang bland, misalnya.

The only competition I find worthy is the excellent Mazda 3.
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WP wrote:
Herry wrote: Oh ya, dimensi civic baru kan lebih besar dari civic sekarang (lebih lega interiornya), tapi gak tau lebih lega mana new civic dibanding dgn bmw seri 3.
Kayanya sih lebih lega Civic baru ini deh..... apalagi legroom belakangnya...
Eh, ini belum tentu, lho, masih harus dibuktikan. Karena E90 lebih besar daripada E46, dan legroom-nya mengungguli C-class...