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gpp kesamber gledek juga...kan pake helm.... :upss: :upss:
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Yg pake helm kan kepalanya jal, kl kena bawah kepala gmn? :upss:
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BADAK wrote:Yg pake helm kan kepalanya jal, kl kena bawah kepala gmn? :upss:
kan masih ada jaket... :big_weee:
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BADAK wrote:Yg pake helm kan kepalanya jal, kl kena bawah kepala gmn? :upss:
kan masih ada jaket... :big_weee:
Kalo jaketnya kebakar gimana? Jadi satria jaket terbakar dgn api yg menyala-nyala deh...... Hiiiiii seyeeeemmmm. :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk:
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Setelah terbakar berubah jadi Jombie. Kalo begitu, kesimpulannya Jombie adalah hasil reinkarnasi dari satria helm jaket. :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Tolong BTT yaa..
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FortunerMan wrote:@doq
Kayanya si TS maksudnya itu....gak usah ditambahin yg macem2 itu - jadi harganya murah buat konsumen Indonesia.
konsumen seperti ini brp persen, oom? 0,00000001 persen...
secara mobkas nya masih banyak yg layak/bagus2, kan ya...
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Kalo di Cina sih banyak. Liat aja contohnya VW Jetta jadul tetap dijual laku keras. Namanya mobkas...tetap lain sama mobil baru.

Saya juga mau beli Eterna baru...harganya misalnya 250 juta. Atau Mazda 323 Interplay harga 190?
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hehe mimpi itu oom... kalo sy pikir sih pasti ada kolektor yg masih punya eterna km rendah.. mungkin 250jt pun ga dilepas.
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ZombiEE wrote:Who is that????
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Ngomong sejujurnya sekarang semua pabrikan mobil internasional sdh males R&D nya. Mesin2 lama didaur ulang, body baru, suspensi modif sedikit sana sini n harga baru yg "NAIK, NAIK ke puncak gunung". Inget2 lagu kesayangan di TK.... :e-think: Contoh konkret; sejak penemu Honda bos Soichiro Honda meninggal, performa mobil2 Honda mulai menurun. Sdh bukan performance oriented tp profit oriented. Mobil2 Honda yg legendaris semua di diskontinue, misalnya S2000 n NSX. Tanya'in aja ke suhu2(ane hanya nubie doank), mobil Honda sekarang ini banyak dipasarkan u/ ibu2 ke salon/pasar dan u/ ABG2 yg doyan mejeng. Bukan u/ penggemar mobil sejati yg peduli ttg performa. Hanya opini pribadi dr org yg bingung mau beli mobil baru tp kecewa dgn kualitas brg yg ada di pasaran Indonesia kita yg tercinta ini. :e-doh:
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Cek saja New Vios 2010 msh pake mesin Vios 2004, cuman 'ganti baju'. Corolla New Altis 08 pake mesin ex Camry 04 (dikecilkan cc nya). Makanya mendingan beli mobil lama lantas di 'rekondisi' mesinnya n kaki2nya. Rasanya ngga kalah dgn baru2 yg dr showroom ATPM. Pihak2 ATPM, any comments?
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om automastro, menurut ane itu hal wajar. karena toh "honda" ingin untung dengan dagangannya. kalo bikinnya untuk penggemar aja, pasarnya kecil om. dan mungkin malah harga "honda" jadi lebih mahal.

ane kurang tahu kenapa honda mendiskontinue S2000 dan NSX. ane juga gak tahu kalo itu didiskontinue. tapi menurut ane, harusnya mereka sudah melakukan analisis pasar terhadap kebutuhan2 itu.

oke, misalnya para atpm memasukkan mobil hobbyist, apa yakin peminatnya bisa membuat atpm balik modal?
masih inget corolla GTI, nissan coupe yang? mobil2 ini mobil hobbyist, tapi peminatnya kurang banyak... cmiiw..
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IMO, Harga Jual Mobil New.Gen. +/- sama dengan Gen. Sebelumnya. (dalam USD).
Mobil Baru membawa teknologi dan fitur2 yang baru, cth: vtec --> i-vtec
Juga merupakan improvement/perbaikan dari model sebelumnya.... reliability yg lebih baik, lbh irit bbm, dst .

Dari kacamata konsumen: masak beli mobil baru modelnya sama? buat apa beli? ga laku donk produsen nya.. :off_bored:
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automaestro wrote:Cek saja New Vios 2010 msh pake mesin Vios 2004, cuman 'ganti baju'. Corolla New Altis 08 pake mesin ex Camry 04 (dikecilkan cc nya). Makanya mendingan beli mobil lama lantas di 'rekondisi' mesinnya n kaki2nya. Rasanya ngga kalah dgn baru2 yg dr showroom ATPM. Pihak2 ATPM, any comments?
ane setuju dengan pendapat om automastro kalo dengan rekondisi mesin, kaki2 dan body mungkin mobil lama gak kalah mantap...

tapi kalo mesinnya sama dengan pendahulunya, bisa iya bisa nggak. mungkin ada beberapa yang di-tuning ulang oleh ATPM. ane gak ngerti.

kalo baca speknya, mesin Pajero Sport itu sama dengan mesin L300 diesel tahun 80-an.. sama2 4D56.. tapi yang sama cuman blok silinder doang om.. jeroan, cyl head sudah beda banget. karena kompresi, turbo, intercooler dan lain2...

kalo toyota, ane gak ngerti om... :big_peace:
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ane sih tertarik beli mobil yang bisa custom.... :big_weee:
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gemelli wrote:IMO, Harga Jual Mobil New.Gen. +/- sama dengan Gen. Sebelumnya. (dalam USD).
Mobil Baru membawa teknologi dan fitur2 yang baru, cth: vtec --> i-vtec
Juga merupakan improvement/perbaikan dari model sebelumnya.... reliability yg lebih baik, lbh irit bbm, dst .

Dari kacamata konsumen: masak beli mobil baru modelnya sama? buat apa beli? ga laku donk produsen nya.. :off_bored:
Lebih irit BBM? Yg ini sudah pasti ngga bakalan terbukti. Irit nggaknya tergantung SEKELnya (bhs jawa dr KAKI) suka tancap gas ngga, bukan dr mobilnya. Yg sy tahu, New Altis lbh boros dr old Altis, demikian jg dgn New Camry. Coba cek dulu faktanya dgn data2 internasional, jangan cuma data2 majalah2 Indo. Autobild Indonesia beberapa bulan yg lalu tes jalan mobil2 1,200-1,500cc cuman dapet 11+km/ltr. Ini fakta yg terdokumenter, bukan data lab pabrikan mana pun juga. Kalo data dr atpm2 sih ampun2, 20+km/ltr. Hanya mimpi marketing doank, BULL....SHI..TTT!!!!
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contoh lain lagi. Innova bensin 2000cc bisa lebih irit dr Honda Accord 93 yg 2000cc dlm kondisi tokcer standard? Padahal bobot body lebih enteng, sedikit memang n mesin lebih baru tapi kogh ngga lebih irit? Comparenya injection dgn injection, jangan dgn carbu, ya?
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automaestro wrote:contoh lain lagi. Innova bensin 2000cc bisa lebih irit dr Honda Accord 93 yg 2000cc dlm kondisi tokcer standard? Padahal bobot body lebih enteng, sedikit memang n mesin lebih baru tapi kogh ngga lebih irit? Comparenya injection dgn injection, jangan dgn carbu, ya?
kalo boleh tahu, maestro om automastero konsumsinya berapa om? :frm_salut:
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om kopat, sorry ya kalo bacanya rada emosi. Ane ngga ada perasaan negatif apa2 sama you. Cuman mangkel sama Honda, Toyota dll.

Yg lebih pinter si BMW, kalo performa sih one of the BEST!!! Tapi maintenancenya ampun2 krn systemnya terlalu kompleks u/ mekanik awam. Jadi harus ditangani oleh dealer2 resmi. Tau nggak kalo Dealer2 Resmi mobil di amrik julukannya apa di mata penggemar2 otomotif? STEALERS. Ini bukan hanya u/ BMW, bahkan u/ semua merek. Prinsip kerja mereka, kalo konsumer bisa digarong ya garong saja. Kan duit nya banyak dan gonta-ganti mobil terus.
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maestro sy gara2 ganti header n velg/ban 16" jadi 6,5-7km/ltr. Yg standar bisa 8, ini u/ dalkot.