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Re: Open Air Filter VS Water Hammer

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Klo mawny awet se pasang replacement z de.hehehe.klo maw tenagany mantep se pk open filter + suarany bgs.heheheh
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aku pernah pake open air filter di Jazz Vtec 05 :

- "musuh utama" open air filter adalah hawa panas dari mesin... sehingga perlu dibuatkan "wadah" dari bahan yg bisa menahan panas mesin" dan fungsinya mengisolir hawa panas dari mesin dari open air filter itu , sehingga yg terhisap oleh air filter hanya udara dingin saja.

- sebagai alternatif, utk memaksimalkan "air intake" tanpa menggunakan open air filter adalah dengan memasang alat "cyclone" dalam saluran (belalai) intake yg bisa membuat efek udara berputar dan menghisap volume udara lebih banyak

- ada beberapa inovasi "cold air intake" a.l. memanfaatkan hawa dingin dari saluran AC/freon dikonek ke saluran air intake, tapi nampaknya baru sebatas "product test" blum dijual massal
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Atau bisa dipasang funnel yang lgsg mengarah pd open air filter kita..cmiiw
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berarti kesimpulannya lebih bagus yang open air ya ??
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Lebih bgs mksdnya gimana ya bang?
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ZombiEE wrote:Lebih bgs mksdnya gimana ya bang?
dari diskusi suhu2 diatas, menurut yg saya tangkap kayaknya lebih rekomen ke open air filter, cuman kelemahannya gampang kotor.....begitu ya boss ??
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Ya... Menurut saya yg nubietol, ttg resiko water hammer sih aman asal jgn diletakkan di bwh aja filter nya. Ttg kotor yah bakalan lbh kotorb sudah konsekuensi nya cmiiw
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Trus harus sering cek oli sob.
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henz155 wrote:Trus harus sering cek oli sob.
kenapa boss ??
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berliantrading wrote:berarti kesimpulannya lebih bagus yang open air ya ??
ya, dengan syarat : dia tidak terkontaminasi atau langsung menyedot udara panas dari mesin !!! kayak Om JOmbi bilang : kalok bisa dibikin funnel dari lokasi open air filter ke udara "dingin" di luar ruang mesin
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ya, open air filter selain lebih rentan kotor, juga rawan udara panas dari mesin, sedangkan banyak dari kita yg sudah tau, udara dingin lebih bagus utk performa mesin...
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penampakan air filter tanpa oil
bahan stainles steel
maaf kondisi lagi kotor
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@evo
wah, itu kayak nya hanya satu lapis ato dua ya oom? pori2 nya gede bgt tuh :e-think:
klo sy seh mending yg bahan cotton deh, soal nya klo yg model seperti ini resiko nya terlalu besar IMHO

kebetulan bidang kerja saya ada hubungan nya sama filter2 jg, dan sy liat utk aplikasi air filter hampir ga ada yg pake model spt ini :ungg:
umumnya filter kawat gini di pake utk filter oli, itu pun biasa nya sebagai filter sekunder.
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lebih banyak negatif drpd positifnya ya pak? minta tolong dijelaskan efek2nya?

emang sih model begini jarang banget
ada jg merk lain yg stainless steel tapi itu dikombinasi cotton yg masi tetep perlu dilapisi oil

calon harus diganti donk yah...
padahal kelemahan T30 yg rpm atasnya kurang nendang terbantu sekali sama ini
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Saya dulu ada referensi tes bbrp merk air filter, seingat saya hks is the worst of bunch, apexi paling bagus, kn no.2 in term of daya saring debu:)
Btw, saya setuju cold air intake (biasa nya open type) yang bener akan memberi efek yang signifikan, ini saya pernah coba, kalo replacement saya rasa peningkatannya sangat kecil....cmiiw
Alasan ane tidak memakai filter aftermarket adalah krn ane males....‎​ªkªkªkªkª =)) ªkªkªkªkª™
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sama ama ane bang jemb.... ane jg ada tuh filter aftermarket... kaga ane pake, cuman kalo kluar kota doank baru ane pake, itupun jg jarang... abisnya males ngebersihin nya... apalagi kayanya ga signifikan jg beda nya ama yg AF std... makanya uda rada males jg pake air filter yg aftermarket gtuan...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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imho lbh banyak negatif nya oom klo di pake utk harian, pori2 yg besar itu beresiko meloloskan partikel2 kotoran ke ruang bakar mesin. Emang sih secara tarikan nya lebih plong, tp apa sebanding dg resiko nya yah? Bisa2 dinding silinder tergerus partikel kotoran yg ikut tersedot. :e-think:

saran saya sih, sebaiknya pakai yg bahan filternya cotton aja oom. :big_peace:
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om dog, ada ga airfilter yg aftermarket tapi kaga usa pake lumurin oli sgala... tapi yg daya saring nya jg bagus... jgn yg kelewat "loss" ampe debris2 pada masuk smua gt....

kalo kaya simota gt ane perna liat utk suzuki ada yg cuman dibersihin pake air doank aja trus di keringin pake kipas angin uda bisa... itu bagus ga tuh...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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jahhhh klep, ente nanya soal filter2 mobil ke ane............ ini jg baru tau klo ternyata ada g model kawat :upss: :upss:
mana ngarti ane simota2an.
Btw, sebener nya filter2 AF gini ada yg nyantumin spesifikasi nya ga ya? eg. filtrasi nya, flow capacity de el el?
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Ga enak nich sbetulnya ngebahas merk...;):Dhέhέhέ;);)hέhέhέ:D;)™ cuman utk jenis MAF sensor tertentu, kalau dipadu dgn AF tipe basah misti hati2...atau sensor MAF nya bisa ngaco, ciri2 langsam ga smooth...‎​‎​Ђεђεђε :D Ђεђεђε™
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ehm sebetulnya ane jg ada merk lain jg
JFC
harganya murah, tenaga ok jg walaupun wujud fisiknya kurang meyakinkan
tapi karena cobain hurricane ini berasanya lebih nendang jadi ditinggalin deh tu JFC
kayaknya next time balik ke standart lagi aja

sama kaya bro2 sekalian, oil base agak males ngurusinnya
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DOHC wrote:om dog, ada ga airfilter yg aftermarket tapi kaga usa pake lumurin oli sgala... tapi yg daya saring nya jg bagus... jgn yg kelewat "loss" ampe debris2 pada masuk smua gt....

kalo kaya simota gt ane perna liat utk suzuki ada yg cuman dibersihin pake air doank aja trus di keringin pake kipas angin uda bisa... itu bagus ga tuh...
kl yg model kering biasanya terbuat dari spon, cuman harus rajin di cek, soalnya spon gampung rapuh takutnya tersedot masuk ke mesin ......cmiiw
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ZombiEE wrote:Ga enak nich sbetulnya ngebahas merk...;):Dhέhέhέ;);)hέhέhέ:D;)™ cuman utk jenis MAF sensor tertentu, kalau dipadu dgn AF tipe basah misti hati2...atau sensor MAF nya bisa ngaco, ciri2 langsam ga smooth...‎​‎​Ђεђεђε :D Ђεђεђε™
knapa bro?
kebanyakan kan itu merk yg kalo dibahas forum2 asing biasanya dikritik jauh lebih pedas?
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evolution21 wrote:ehm sebetulnya ane jg ada merk lain jg
JFC
harganya murah, tenaga ok jg walaupun wujud fisiknya kurang meyakinkan
tapi karena cobain hurricane ini berasanya lebih nendang jadi ditinggalin deh tu JFC
kayaknya next time balik ke standart lagi aja

sama kaya bro2 sekalian, oil base agak males ngurusinnya
katanya JFC juga bagus, bahan yg digunakan sama dengan K&N, tapi ga tau juga, belum pernah nyoba soalnya......
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evolution21 wrote:
ZombiEE wrote:Ga enak nich sbetulnya ngebahas merk...;):Dhέhέhέ;);)hέhέhέ:D;)™ cuman utk jenis MAF sensor tertentu, kalau dipadu dgn AF tipe basah misti hati2...atau sensor MAF nya bisa ngaco, ciri2 langsam ga smooth...‎​‎​Ђεђεђε :D Ђεђεђε™
knapa bro?
kebanyakan kan itu merk yg kalo dibahas forum2 asing biasanya dikritik jauh lebih pedas?
Sorry, mgkn penulisan ane kurang jelas, mksd ane adalah tidak enak membahas merk tertentu disini:)
Contoh yg saya pake yaitu KN, karena saya cuma pernah memakai merk tsb, dan secara nama KN biasa nya dijadikan benchmark utk aftermarket air filter, itu pun dgn resiko MAF sensor berpotensi ngaco bilamana seaktu mengoleskan olinya kita kurang cermat...cmiiw