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ada yang mau ikut off road???
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waaaxxz.... stuck neh...
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mejeng bentar ah di belakang supra....
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TRD off road emang tooobbbh...

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ini nih rancangan awal celica...

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maskopat wrote:vrooom vrooooooom....
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sun bathing on celica....
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VanzMatic wrote:SILAKAN BACA POST POST YANG SUDAH ADA DI THREAD INI, TOYOTAMAN!! BACA DULU!

ANDA HANYA MENGULANG2 TERUS TEORI2 DAN TUDUHAN SEPIHAK ANDA, TAPIII, ANDA HANYA BERANI DI DUNIA MAYA, DAN (MUNGKIN) HANYA BERANI DI SM FORUM INI!!

ANDA BISA BUKTIKAN BAHWA TUDUHAN ANDA KEPADA JD POWER ADALAH BENAR BAHWA JD POWER DISOGOK???

BERIKAN PADA KAMI BUKTI SCANNYA!!!

SEKARANG!!


Kalau begitu, apakah orang indonesia [cencored] semua karena beli toyota dibanding nissan yang anda jual????
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: si toyotaman lebih percaya youtube2 gak jelas bikinan anak TK - :mrgreen: lebih cocok sama level pemikiran dia hihihihi

Hebatnyaaaaa TOYOTA :mrgreen:

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Ayoo ikuuutt...
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Mau ikut Celica ku, oom?
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Ayo, kap mesin masi luas...
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Risol1 wrote:
toyotaman wrote:Nilai jual kembali. Nah, kalau rencana pakai sebentar, mungkin pemain baru mobcin saya ngak expect kuat nilai jual kembalinya, meskipun realistis saja, barunya aja cuman say 120 juta. MANA MUNGKIN habis pakai 5 tahun nilainya tinggal misalnya 50 juta doang ? Alias rugi 70 juta ?
NAH ini bisa nih ngitung resale value??? :mrgreen:
beli 120 jt, pake 5 tahun dan jual tinggal 50 jt......artinya depresiasi 70 jt dari harga beli 5 tahun lalu kan??
Kalo harga baru mobcinnya sekarang 160 jt, mustinya depresiasinya 110 jt dong kalo pake cara ngitung depresiasi ala toyotaman???

Jadi toyotaman pake cara ngitung/rumus yg mana nih? koq jadi plin plan?
Apakah kalo ngitung mobil non-toyota pake rumus harga beli, tapi kalo ngitung depresiasi toyota pake rumus harga barunya sekarang?? hehehe.....
toyotaman wrote:Worse case aja seharusnya kerugiannya ngak beda jauh ama mobil macam innova G yang 2 tahun pertamanya aja udah pasti rugi lebih dari 60 juta ! Itulah advantagenya starting price RENDAH !
Masa sih?

Innova G MT harga jual bulan Feb 09 itu sekitar 210 jt (udah naik gede semenjak 08).
Sekarang ada ngga innova G MT bekas thn 09 facelift dijual seharga kurang dari 150 jt???

Itupun tu orang yg tangan pertama belom tentu belinya 210 jt, bisa aja lebih murah karena discount. :mrgreen:
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Perusahaan macam gini jelas pasti bisa sogok JD power. Liat aja berita ini, udah jelas nyawa konsumen terancam, masih ngak mau recall, sampai anggota DPR Amrik harus ke Tokyo dan tekan petinggi toyota baru deh di recall :


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35201553/ns/business-autos/
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toyotaman wrote:Perusahaan macam gini jelas pasti bisa sogok JD power. Liat aja berita ini, udah jelas nyawa konsumen terancam, masih ngak mau recall, sampai anggota DPR Amrik harus ke Tokyo dan tekan petinggi toyota baru deh di recall :


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Juga lihat JD Power sendiri rankingnya sama sekali ngak masuk akal. Coba lo orang pikir, perusahaan kaya toyota gini DEPENDABLE mobilnya ? Selain banyak lakukan trick, tidak jujur, main hukum, permainkan recall, juga kasusnya banyak sampai banyak konsumennya nuntut toyota karena mobilnya banyak masalah serius.


Merek lain aja yang rankingnya rendah di JD aja mana ada di tuntut banyak konsumennya sampai gitu ? Liat aja contoh contoh kasus di sini :


http://www.toyota-class-action-lawsuit.com/


Juga lihat lagi rangkingnya. Menurut JD, Mitsubishi itu mutunya kurang bagus, jauh sekali banding toyota. Scorenya 186. Tapi anehnya, di Indonesia aja, kok banyak orang rela keluar uang hampir 400 juta untuk beli Pajero Sport ? Emang mereka bodoh ? Ngak tau bahwa menurut JD Power, Mitsubishi kurang baik mutunya ?


Juga di dunia truck, kenapa sampai hari ini Mitsubishi masih raja ? Jika JD Power benar bahwa Mitsubishi jauh lebih banyak masalah banding toyota misalnya, kenapa banyak orang Indonesia tetap lebih percaya truck truck Mitsubishi ?


Juga liat ranking Suzuki. Sangat rendah. Kok banyak orang beli APV, Carry dan banyak mobil Suzuki lainnya ?


Dan yang lebih lucu adalah VW. Penjualan merek ini di seluruh dunia SANGAT BESAR ! Ngak jauh dari toyota maupun GM, dan jauh lebih besar banding merek yang rankingnya tinggi di JD seperti Honda. Coba pikir sendiri, mana mungkin, masuk akal ngak kalau VW benar BOBROK, penjualannya bisa begitu BESAR ?


Dan Lincoln kali ini no.1. Tau ngak Lincoln itu merek siapa ? Ya siapa lagi kalau bukan Ford.


Pula menurut JD, merek Korea seperti Hyundai dan Kia lebih bagus mutunya banding merek Jepang seperti Nissan, Mazda, Suzuki dan Mitsubishi. Percaya ngak ? Tanya aja teman lo atau saudara lo " Mobil Korea emang sudah lebih bagus mutunya banding berapa merek Jepang ? "


Saya ngak bilang mobil Korea jelek, tapi saya belum yakin bahwa mutu mereka udah jauh lebih bagus banding berapa merek Jepang terkenal.
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Menurut fortunerman, toyota bisa no.1 karena mutunya pasti paling bagus (HAHAHA ! Yang benar ?!). Jadi di mata logikanya fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain, volume makin besar penjualannya pasti mutunya lebih bagus dong. Kalau ngak, seharusnya volumenya kecil, ngak laku gitu.


Nah sekarang kita pelajari berapa fakta, dan langsung kelihatan, studi macam JD Power gitu benar benar SAMPAH ! Dan logika fortunerman juga SAMPAH !


Kita pakai kasus VW deh. Menurut JD, ni merek cukup payah. Rangkingya hampir di paling bawah. Lebih jelek banding mobil Korea pun. Cuman lebih bagus banding merek seperti Land Rover, Mini, Chrysler. Nah, kalau gitu, seharusnya ngak laku dong ? Orang IDIOT mana sih yang mau beli merek gitu payah mutunya ?


Sekarang mari kita lihat penjualan VW seluruh dunia tahun lalu :


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-1 ... urges.html


Volkswagen to Sell Record 7 Million Cars in 2010 as Chinese Business Booms


By Andreas Cremer - Dec 10, 2010 7:34 PM

VW sales chief Christian Klingler said, “Volkswagen is benefiting disproportionally from the upturn in most major automobile markets.


Volkswagen AG, Europe’s largest carmaker, said annual deliveries in 2010 will exceed 7 million for the first time as sales in China surge.


VW’s 11-month deliveries in the world’s largest car market advanced 38 percent to 1.82 million vehicles, accounting for 28 percent of global sales, the Wolfsburg, Germany-based company said in a statement today.


Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn is counting on China, VW’s largest market, to surpass Toyota Motor Corp. as the world’s biggest carmaker by 2018. Passenger-car deliveries in China surged 29 percent in November to a record 1.34 million, the China Automobile Industry Association said yesterday.


“Overall prospects for China continue to look good,” said Aleksej Wunrau, an analyst at BHF-Bank AG in Frankfurt who has an “overweight” rating on the stock and forecasts an industry- wide sales gain of 12 percent in China next year. “VW will again be in for double-digit growth.”


Volkswagen’s preferred shares increased as much as 4.20 euros, or 3.4 percent, to 128.40 euros and traded up 2.3 percent as of 1:32 p.m. in Frankfurt. The stock has gained 95 percent this year, valuing the German carmaker at 55.2 billion euros ($73.2 billion).


Volkswagen’s nine-month operating profit in China more than doubled to 1.32 billion euros. VW, the first overseas carmaker to enter China three decades ago, will spend 10.6 billion euros in the country through 2015 as part of an expansion to add two factories and double production to 3 million cars annually. VW currently has nine Chinese factories.


Audi, the luxury leader in China (ingat fortunerman juga dulu bilang Audi bobrok, banyak masalah, buktinya malah lebih laku dari lexus !), increased sales through November in the country 50 percent to 139,900 vehicles on demand for an extended version on the A6 sedan. Czech unit Skoda posted 56 percent Chinese growth to 167,000 cars.


Deliveries worldwide at VW group brands increased to 617,000 vehicles in November, VW said today. Eleven-month sales advanced 13 percent to 6.59 million.


“Volkswagen is benefiting disproportionally from the upturn in most major automobile markets,” VW sales chief Christian Klingler said in the statement. “We will be well above last year’s level and anticipate annual deliveries of more than 7 million vehicles for the first time.”


Stimulus measures in China including a consumption-tax rebate for smaller vehicles, subsidies for rural car-buyers and incentives to trade in older models are due to expire at the end of the December. China’s auto-industry lobby said yesterday the incentives will likely expire as planned this year.


VW hasn’t greatly benefited from the program because the German manufacturer’s larger models don’t qualify for tax rebates, which are focused on smaller cars, Wunrau said.


“I can’t see how this policy is going to hurt VW greatly, they’ve only drawn marginal benefits from those measures,” he said.


Nah sekarang lo orang pakai otak, kalau benar VW gitu jelek seperti kata Jd Power, mending kalau yang beli banyak VW adalah masyarakat negara yang ngak tau apa apa, ngak bisa internet, seperti Korea Utara, Afrika, Uganda, etc.


Tapi lihat sendiri. Yang banyak beli VW adalah masyarakat EROPA dan CHINA. Dan total penjualan VW ngak jauh dari toyota, bahkan JAUH lebih besar dari HONDA dan merek lain yang KATA JD Power, jauh lebih bagus mutunya dari VW.


MASUK AKAL NGAK ? Gitu aja !


GM sendiri pun juga, si bobrok, menurut fortunerman, penjualannya sekarang bahkan sudah sangat dekat ama toyota. Dan bisa saja kalau toyota terus recall lagi, bisa jadi no.1 lagi.


Nah, saat itu, fortunerman harus AKUI, MUTU paling BAGUS adalah GM !!!!


Dan VW juga seharusnya rankingnya no.3 dong ! Karena menurut logika fortunerman, GM kalau nanti dah no.1, mutu dia paling bagus, toyota jadi no.2, dan VW jadi no.3 !!!


Gimana fortunerman ? Total sales penjualan ada hubungan langsung ngak ama mutu ? Kalau ada, kok Honda, yang lo juga hanggap sangat bagus mutunya, penjualannya JAUH lebih kecil banding GM dan VW ? Dan malah nyaris sama ama Nissan yang para anjing toyota di sini hanggap mutunya tidak bagus.


Malah total penjualan Honda juga dekat ama penjualan si bobrok PEUGEOT juga, gimana fortunerman ? Logikanya kok ngak masuk sama sekali ?
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kek anak kecil postnya tereak2 :). kasian .
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toyotaman wrote:Menurut fortunerman, toyota bisa no.1 karena mutunya pasti paling bagus (HAHAHA ! Yang benar ?!). Jadi di mata logikanya fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain, volume makin besar penjualannya pasti mutunya lebih bagus dong. Kalau ngak, seharusnya volumenya kecil, ngak laku gitu.
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nah, yang ini namanya toyota juga neh... tapi bukan mobil... :big_weee:
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Sekarang kita lihat total sales Honda seluruh dunia tahun 2010. Kalau benar mutu Honda JAUH lebih bagus banding merek lain yang menurut JD Power lebih bobrok, seharusnya gede banget juga kan ?


http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/30/niss ... ive-sales/


Nissan blows by Honda in global automotive sales

by Chris Shunk Jan 30th 2011 11:33AM


In the U.S., the pecking order among Japanese automakers looks like this: Way out in front is Toyota, followed by Honda and Nissan respectively. On a global scale, however, Nissan has finally leapfrogged Honda for second banana status. Torque News reports that Nissan's global sales soared 21 percent in 2010 due in part to exploding business in China. All told, Nissan moved 4.08 million units during the calendar year.


Nah, dari ini aja kelihatan, kalau Nissan benar mutunya lebih jelek banding toyota dan Honda seperti JD Power bilang, kenapa malah bisa lebih laku banding Honda sekarang seluruh dunia ? Dan angka 4 Juta lebih itu juga bukan angka yang kecil, meskipun memang masih kalah jauh banding si bobrok (versi JD Power) VW !


Honda also saw increased sales, but it managed only a five percent gain. That's 3.56 million vehicles sold, or about 500,000 fewer units than its rival. 2010 was a very solid year for Nissan, as well its alliance partner Renault, which also fared very well. Together the two automakers combined to sell 7.3 million cars and trucks. That's more than Ford or Volkswagen, though Renault-Nissan sales aren't officially counted together when the final rankings are tabulated at the end of the year. Toyota led all automaker sales for the year, followed by General Motors and VW.


Jadi kalau mau ikut cara anjing toyota dan gabung semua perusahaan di group yang sama, seperti daihatsu di gabung ama toyota, malah group Nissan-Renault total jadi 7.3 JUTA !!! Sama gedenya ama VW dan dekat sekali ama toyota / GM !


Masih rasa ranking JD Power masuk akal ??? Liat aja Honda aja JAUH lebih kecil penjualannya banding 2 bobrok VW dan GM !!! Si bobrok Peugeot berapa penjualannya ? : Mau tebak dulu ?


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/ ... 1B20110113


"...French carmaker PSA Peugeot Citroen (PEUP.PA) said on Thursday world vehicle sales rose 13 percent in 2010 to 3.6 million units, as sales outside Europe increased..."


Oh ! Ternyata si bobroknya FM Peugeot malah lebih laku dikit banding Honda ! 3.6 JUTA banding Honda 3.56 JUTA !


Jadi gimana nih fortunerman ? Either Peugeot sama bagusnya mutunya ama Honda, atau Honda sama BOBROKnya ama Peugeot ?



KENAPA GITU BANYAK MEREK BOBROK versi fortunerman penjualannya SUPER BESAR !!!!????
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Min and mod...tolong diperhatikan ya...uda main anjing2an:D
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VanzMatic wrote: Oom momod masih ada gak? Kalo kita kita anggota forum ini udah dikatain kayak gini :
toyotaman wrote:fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain,
, masih layakkah dia berada di forum ini???

Mohon keseriusan Moderator untuk mengawasi jalannya forum ini!! :big_smoking:
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VanzMatic wrote: Oom momod masih ada gak? Kalo kita kita anggota forum ini udah dikatain kayak gini :
toyotaman wrote:fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain,
, masih layakkah dia berada di forum ini???

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Emang ANJING kenapa ? Anjing kan hewan yang baik dan SETIA ? Bukan hewan yang jahat kok !


Coba, di dunia ini, binatang apa aja yang kalau MAJIKANNYA EDAN, KORUP, GILA, SERAKAH, TETAP DI BELAIN ?


Ya ANJING !


Jadi toyota gitu edan, eh masih di belain. Jadi apa salahnya bilang orang macam fortunerman adalah ANJING toyota ?


SETIA ! Good Label lagi ! Macam PUJIAN !


Tapi para anjing toyota sering bilang saya macam macam yang nadanya lebih kasar, boleh ? Sekarang saya mau balas dan bilang lo orang Anjing aja udah bagus, di PUJI sebagai hewan yang BAIK ! Ngak boleh ?


Maunya saya cari kata yang sekasar lo orang ?

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Turboman wrote:
VanzMatic wrote: Oom momod masih ada gak? Kalo kita kita anggota forum ini udah dikatain kayak gini :
toyotaman wrote:fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain,
, masih layakkah dia berada di forum ini???

Mohon keseriusan Moderator untuk mengawasi jalannya forum ini!! :big_smoking:
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Jadi menurut lo, petinggi toyota yang lebih pentingkan ratusan juta dollar banding NYAWA konsumennya, kasta petinggi toyota gimana ?

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VanzMatic wrote: Oom momod masih ada gak? Kalo kita kita anggota forum ini udah dikatain kayak gini :
toyotaman wrote:fortunerman dan anjing toyota yang lain,
, masih layakkah dia berada di forum ini???

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