So now, any major decisions about Toyota cars di Indo, good or not good, rest solely one the shoulders of Toyota Jepang. Jangan salahkan Astra terus ! Astra cuman distributor sekarang ! No power !
Like NMI lah ! No power vs Nissan Jepang !
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Oom. You should know,... bahwa TMMIN itu dont have any thing to do with the cars that Toyota sells in Indonesia. It is always back again to TAM and TMAP dear. So you should know that if someday Hybrid cars finally arrived, its up to TAM and TMAP... not TMMIN. Cobalah untuk mengerti bedanya marketing dengan manufaktur dalam hal ini.
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jangan samakan NMI dng TAM lah
jelas2 predirnya beda ! yang satu indo, yang satu jepang.Artinya jelas lebih mana yang punya pengaruh,..
Kalao mau bandingin NMI dengan TMMIN lebih masuk akal. Itupun TMMIN dak ada Sales& Marketingnya. NMI dengan ADM tuh sama... atau Ford Indo.
jelas2 predirnya beda ! yang satu indo, yang satu jepang.Artinya jelas lebih mana yang punya pengaruh,..
Kalao mau bandingin NMI dengan TMMIN lebih masuk akal. Itupun TMMIN dak ada Sales& Marketingnya. NMI dengan ADM tuh sama... atau Ford Indo.
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Man ! Are U kidding me ? Masukin model apa sangat pengaruh ama rugi laba masa depan TAM, dan TMMIN !
Dengan saham masing masing 95% di 2 perusahaan tersebut, apakah Uncle Katsuaki Watanabe, CEO Toyota sekarang, tinggal bilang ama Pak Johny Darmawan " Mr. Darmawan, I leave it to U to decide everything about Toyota's business in Indonesia.... "
Kalau gitu, lain kali U and I joint venture buka usaha, U pegang saham 95%, dan saya cuman 5%, and U leave all the big decisions to me. OK ?
Anyway, I think I am dreaming. U DON'T want to work for Nissan one day ! U want to for for TAM ! Everytime I say something about them, U langsung allerhi, sensitive. Then whats the point of U saying U want to work for uncle Carlos one day ? Saya salah baca inggat mungkin !
Dengan saham masing masing 95% di 2 perusahaan tersebut, apakah Uncle Katsuaki Watanabe, CEO Toyota sekarang, tinggal bilang ama Pak Johny Darmawan " Mr. Darmawan, I leave it to U to decide everything about Toyota's business in Indonesia.... "
Kalau gitu, lain kali U and I joint venture buka usaha, U pegang saham 95%, dan saya cuman 5%, and U leave all the big decisions to me. OK ?
Anyway, I think I am dreaming. U DON'T want to work for Nissan one day ! U want to for for TAM ! Everytime I say something about them, U langsung allerhi, sensitive. Then whats the point of U saying U want to work for uncle Carlos one day ? Saya salah baca inggat mungkin !
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see thats the silliness of u. always JUDGE people. You see things the way you want to see.. not the way the things are. ckckckck Dibilangin sekali lagi yah Oom.
TAM = 51% ASTRA & 49% TMC
TMMIN = TMC
Trus u make it sounds like IF !! I SAID IF Someday g kerja buat toyota apakek itu TAM, TMMIN, TMC, TMAP !! I will become a BAD Person !! Isn it !?
Ckckck
TAM = 51% ASTRA & 49% TMC
TMMIN = TMC
Trus u make it sounds like IF !! I SAID IF Someday g kerja buat toyota apakek itu TAM, TMMIN, TMC, TMAP !! I will become a BAD Person !! Isn it !?
Ckckck
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percaya deh. ttg kerja itu a different thing. Coba deh bayangin kalau U kerja buat Uncle Carlos one day. trus die nanya ama u " Szli, gmn menurut lu ttg mobil Hybrid Honda dan Toyota !? " and U probably would reply somethin like " Ah,.. Cere Mister..."
" PAKK !!! Never underestimate your enemy Szli !"
" PAKK !!! Never underestimate your enemy Szli !"
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No ! U are the one yang tidak mau face the facts !
Sudah jelas TMC owns 95% each of TAM and TMMIN, and I already provide the proof ! Why anda masih ngotot insist on the 51 / 49 % ? Thats old news !
And I did not say U work for TAM jadi orang jahat. Sejak kapan saya bilang U or TMC jahat ? All I am saying is what they are doing is ultimately for business / profits ! Jangan sampai kirain mereka adalah Greenpeace !
And I never underestimate hybrids ! All I am saying is like what uncle Carlos says " Hybrids make a good story, but they are not a good business yet, because the value is still less than their cost ! "
Sudah baca kasus orang America ? Hybrid itu sangat rumit ! Its not like buying a Fortuner and know that the ownership cost long term will be affordable, predictable.
Cars like the Jazz, and other mini cars are MORE logical for people who really want to use less fuel !
Want proof I am not anti Toyota ? Simple ! If U want to safe the oil, green, then wait for the Vitz. Jika nanti itu mobil safetynya lengkap, dan ada catalytic converter, THEN I will even say, that Vitz is an EVEN better buy than the Jazz ! Its irit, cheap to buy and own, no need SBY's help, clean emissions, and best of all, ownership cost long term is known and very cheap !
Like I said. Bisa saja saya tidak peduli. U guys mau beli hybrid, silahkan ! Uang 450 juta juga lu punya, bukan I ! Nanti mobilnya reliable atau tidak juga anda yang experience, NOT me !
Once again, why should I care ! But hey ! My job in this forum is to give a full, fair account of stories / facts, and if necessary, FROM THE OTHER SIDE !
Sudah jelas TMC owns 95% each of TAM and TMMIN, and I already provide the proof ! Why anda masih ngotot insist on the 51 / 49 % ? Thats old news !
And I did not say U work for TAM jadi orang jahat. Sejak kapan saya bilang U or TMC jahat ? All I am saying is what they are doing is ultimately for business / profits ! Jangan sampai kirain mereka adalah Greenpeace !
And I never underestimate hybrids ! All I am saying is like what uncle Carlos says " Hybrids make a good story, but they are not a good business yet, because the value is still less than their cost ! "
Sudah baca kasus orang America ? Hybrid itu sangat rumit ! Its not like buying a Fortuner and know that the ownership cost long term will be affordable, predictable.
Cars like the Jazz, and other mini cars are MORE logical for people who really want to use less fuel !
Want proof I am not anti Toyota ? Simple ! If U want to safe the oil, green, then wait for the Vitz. Jika nanti itu mobil safetynya lengkap, dan ada catalytic converter, THEN I will even say, that Vitz is an EVEN better buy than the Jazz ! Its irit, cheap to buy and own, no need SBY's help, clean emissions, and best of all, ownership cost long term is known and very cheap !
Like I said. Bisa saja saya tidak peduli. U guys mau beli hybrid, silahkan ! Uang 450 juta juga lu punya, bukan I ! Nanti mobilnya reliable atau tidak juga anda yang experience, NOT me !
Once again, why should I care ! But hey ! My job in this forum is to give a full, fair account of stories / facts, and if necessary, FROM THE OTHER SIDE !
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I think this is a good article. Pls read it :
September 29, 2005
Hybrids vs. the Honda Jazz
Rod Edwards for Triple Pundit:
Across the web, last week’s comments by Nissan/Renault CEO Carlos Ghosn on the hybrid business model have polarized the green community. Ghosn explained Nissan's lack of hybrid technology (Toyota licensed Altima-hybrid excepted) as a reflection of the fact that hybrids are a low-volume, high-investment product with benefits that can be met in less expensive ways.
Fuel-efficiency can be achieved, suggests Ghosn, by continuing to evolve cars and internal combustion engines (ICE) – resulting in less expensive vehicles for consumers, and sparing shareholders the expense of investing in a new family of technologies. Responses to Ghosn's position have ranged from the expected "Ghosn is a tool – hybrids are the future – Nissan is going down" to "Perhaps Ghosn has a point."
My own position – as contrarian as it may seem, coming from a green writer – sides with the latter group.
IMHO, there's a lot of efficiency left to be wrung out of ICE – whether via techno-trickery like Direct Injection, materials science (creating lighter, more efficient motors a la Honda K-series), or via simpler piggy-back systems – like hydrogen injection, thermo-electric recovery, or biomimicry. Real hybrids (not talking starter assist, here) add a tremendous amount complexity, weight, and expense to a car.
The full-on hybrid techno-assault is certainly one way to improve mileage, but I’d argue that simplicity in execution and the use of evolutionary technologies are capable of producing an equally high-mileage/low-emissions vehicle with the same utility, less expense, and easier maintenance.
Case in point: The Honda Jazz. In North America, the Jazz name is affixed to a scooter, but in the rest of the world, the Honda Jazz is an inexpensive, top-selling 4-door sub-compact that gets 51.4 mpg (combined) – and a real-world 60 mpg on the freeway.
It seats five adults, and with “magic seats†offers a tonne of cargo room and layout flexibility. The Jazz was the Car-of-the-Year in Japan several years ago, and continues to be a leading seller globally with UK prices (for example) starting at a miniscule £8,800 – that’s around $15,000 US converted directly.
You can expect it to be stickered substantially less ($12,500?) in North America without the traditional Euro-premium. Word is that Honda will start selling it in North America in 2006 (replacing the migrated-upwards Civic as Honda’s entry-level car).
So – for substantially less than the Prius’s $21,275 sticker price, you get a car that while smaller in stature, offers equivalent mileage, similar utility, all the regular safety & comfort features, and a simple and easy-to-maintain drive-train.
Honda does this with nothing more than a few evolutionary tweaks to the Jazz’s motor: a special valve configuration and two spark plugs per cylinder are designed to more efficiently combust the air/fuel mixture – achieving hybrid-equivalent mileage and power from a straight gas 1.3L motor sans-rocket science.
Add to this some well-thought out interior tricks such as relocating the gas tank to create more cargo space, and creating flippable, foldable, "magic seats" and you've got a very compelling value equation.
To bring it back to Ghosn's comments: are hybrids a valid product category, or are they an accident of timing, technology, and marketing? Hybrids bridge the gap between today’s gas engines and the future’s electric solution (whatever form it takes); Ghosn’s argument is that ICE can bridge the gap just as well with less cost to consumers and investors – and with market entrants like the Jazz, I tend to agree.
September 29, 2005
Hybrids vs. the Honda Jazz
Rod Edwards for Triple Pundit:
Across the web, last week’s comments by Nissan/Renault CEO Carlos Ghosn on the hybrid business model have polarized the green community. Ghosn explained Nissan's lack of hybrid technology (Toyota licensed Altima-hybrid excepted) as a reflection of the fact that hybrids are a low-volume, high-investment product with benefits that can be met in less expensive ways.
Fuel-efficiency can be achieved, suggests Ghosn, by continuing to evolve cars and internal combustion engines (ICE) – resulting in less expensive vehicles for consumers, and sparing shareholders the expense of investing in a new family of technologies. Responses to Ghosn's position have ranged from the expected "Ghosn is a tool – hybrids are the future – Nissan is going down" to "Perhaps Ghosn has a point."
My own position – as contrarian as it may seem, coming from a green writer – sides with the latter group.
IMHO, there's a lot of efficiency left to be wrung out of ICE – whether via techno-trickery like Direct Injection, materials science (creating lighter, more efficient motors a la Honda K-series), or via simpler piggy-back systems – like hydrogen injection, thermo-electric recovery, or biomimicry. Real hybrids (not talking starter assist, here) add a tremendous amount complexity, weight, and expense to a car.
The full-on hybrid techno-assault is certainly one way to improve mileage, but I’d argue that simplicity in execution and the use of evolutionary technologies are capable of producing an equally high-mileage/low-emissions vehicle with the same utility, less expense, and easier maintenance.
Case in point: The Honda Jazz. In North America, the Jazz name is affixed to a scooter, but in the rest of the world, the Honda Jazz is an inexpensive, top-selling 4-door sub-compact that gets 51.4 mpg (combined) – and a real-world 60 mpg on the freeway.
It seats five adults, and with “magic seats†offers a tonne of cargo room and layout flexibility. The Jazz was the Car-of-the-Year in Japan several years ago, and continues to be a leading seller globally with UK prices (for example) starting at a miniscule £8,800 – that’s around $15,000 US converted directly.
You can expect it to be stickered substantially less ($12,500?) in North America without the traditional Euro-premium. Word is that Honda will start selling it in North America in 2006 (replacing the migrated-upwards Civic as Honda’s entry-level car).
So – for substantially less than the Prius’s $21,275 sticker price, you get a car that while smaller in stature, offers equivalent mileage, similar utility, all the regular safety & comfort features, and a simple and easy-to-maintain drive-train.
Honda does this with nothing more than a few evolutionary tweaks to the Jazz’s motor: a special valve configuration and two spark plugs per cylinder are designed to more efficiently combust the air/fuel mixture – achieving hybrid-equivalent mileage and power from a straight gas 1.3L motor sans-rocket science.
Add to this some well-thought out interior tricks such as relocating the gas tank to create more cargo space, and creating flippable, foldable, "magic seats" and you've got a very compelling value equation.
To bring it back to Ghosn's comments: are hybrids a valid product category, or are they an accident of timing, technology, and marketing? Hybrids bridge the gap between today’s gas engines and the future’s electric solution (whatever form it takes); Ghosn’s argument is that ICE can bridge the gap just as well with less cost to consumers and investors – and with market entrants like the Jazz, I tend to agree.
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ckckck jelas2 saya sempat kerja disana pada saat splitting. anda tuih keras kepala banget yah TAM itu 51% astra yang punya. bahkan di kantor saya pun semua orang tau itu. coba deh bapak telpon aja orang yang bener2 ngerti tar kasih tau saya okeh.... kalo salah anda saya maapin deh. saya ada akte pendirian TAM taon tersebut. tar saya scan spesial buat anda.
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Gitu. Jadi rapat umum pemegang saham itu semuanya [cencored] dong ! Tidak berlaku semua beritanya ?
Saya keras kepala ? I see that U are Astra's lawyer. Artinya U have been dreaming selama service mereka !
Want more proof ? Here is it, right from Astra's OWN website ! :
http://www.astra.co.id/shownews.asp?newsID=8
Astra International Annual General Meeting of Shareholders elected new Commissioners and approved sale of 46% shares in TAM worth of US$ 226 million
Jakarta: Today, Thursday, 22 May 2003, PT Astra International Tbk. conducted Annual General Meeting of Shareholders ("AGMS") and Extraordinary General Meeting of Shareholders ("EGMS") with the following resolutions:
I. AGMS agenda
1. Agenda 1
I. To approve the Company’s Annual Report and Annual Account for the book year of 2002.
II. To give full discharge and acquittal (acquit et decharge) to Board of Directors for their management responsibilities and to Board of Commissioners for their supervisory responsibilities during the book year of 2002 to the extent that such performances were reflected in the Consolidated Financial Report and its Subsidiaries.
2. Agenda 2
I. The net income of the Company for the book year of 2002 is Rp. 3.636,608 million (three trillion six hundred thirty six billion six hundred eight million rupiah) to be used for:
Rp. 500,497,000,000 (five hundred billion four hundred ninety seven million rupiah) to cover the Company’s deficit of the previous year;
Rp. 40,000,000,000 (forty billion rupiah) for reserves fund; and
Remaining Rp. 3,096,111,000,000 (three trillion ninety six billion one hundred eleven million rupiah) booked as retained earnings for operational, financial and investment purposes.
II. The Company will not distribute dividend to shareholders for the book year of 2002 due to restrictions as stipulated in 2002 Debt Restructuring agreement.
3. Agenda 3
I. To accept resignation of Sri Mulyani Indrawati from her post as an Independent Commissioner effective 11 January 2003 and resignation of Vimala Menon from her post as a Commissioner effective as of the closing of the AGMS.
II. To elect the following persons as new Commissioners of the Company:
1) Mari Elka Pangestu as Independent Commissioner
2) Djunaedi Hadisumarto as Independent Commissioner
3) Patrick Morris Alexander as Independent Commissioner
4) Brian Richard Keelan as Commissioner
5) Adam Philip Charles Keswick as Commissioner
effective as the closing of the AGMS until the closing of the first AGMS that the Company will hold after this AGMS.
III. To resolve that composition of the Board of Commissioners as follows:
President Commissioner/Independent Commissioner :
Theodore Permadi Rachmat
Vice President Commissioner/Independent Commissioner :
Benny Subianto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Benjamin Arman Suriadjaya
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Juwono Sudarsono
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Mari Elka Pangestu
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Djunaedi Hadisumarto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Motonobu Takemoto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Patrick Morris Alexander
Commissioner : Anthony John Liddell Nightingale
Commissioner : Philip Eng Heng Nee
Commissioner : Neville Barry Venter
Commissioner : Brian Richard Keelan
Commissioner : Adam Philip Charles Keswick
effective as the closing of the AGMS until the closing of the first AGMS that the Company will hold after this AGMS.
IV. - To authorize the Board of Commissioners to determine salaries and/or allowance of members of the Board of Directors.
- To determine honorarium of all members of the Board of Commissioners with total amount Rp. 460,000,000 [four hundred sixty million rupiah] gross (before income tax) per month to be paid 13 installments in one year and to be effective 1 June 2003, and to give authorization to President Commissioner to determine amount to be distributed among members of the Board of Commissioners.
V. To give power of attorney with substitution rights to the Board of Directors of the Company to record the resolutions of the AGMS and EGMS in a notary deed and to further announce the composition of the Board of Commissioners to the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights of the Republic of Indonesia as well as to register it in the Company Register in compliance with the prevailing regulations.
4. Agenda 4
To reappoint the public accountant firm of "Drs. Hadi Sutanto & Rekan" to audit the Company’s financial report for the book year of 2003, and to authorize the Board of Directors of the Company to determine fee and other terms and conditions of such appointment.
II. EGMS Agenda
1. Agenda 1
To approve establishment of a limited liability company between the Company and Toyota Motor Corporation, Japan ("TMC") in marketing and distribution of Toyota brand motor vehicles.
2. Agenda 2
To approve sale of 46% (forty six percent) shares of PT Toyota-Astra Motor (TAM) owned by the Company to Toyota Motor Corporation worth of US$ 226 million at terms and conditions negotiated by the Board of Directors.
PT Astra International Tbk.
Aminuddin
Corporate Secretary
For further information please contact:
Corporate Communication
PT Astra International Tbk
62-(021)-6530-4956
Saya keras kepala ? I see that U are Astra's lawyer. Artinya U have been dreaming selama service mereka !
Want more proof ? Here is it, right from Astra's OWN website ! :
http://www.astra.co.id/shownews.asp?newsID=8
Astra International Annual General Meeting of Shareholders elected new Commissioners and approved sale of 46% shares in TAM worth of US$ 226 million
Jakarta: Today, Thursday, 22 May 2003, PT Astra International Tbk. conducted Annual General Meeting of Shareholders ("AGMS") and Extraordinary General Meeting of Shareholders ("EGMS") with the following resolutions:
I. AGMS agenda
1. Agenda 1
I. To approve the Company’s Annual Report and Annual Account for the book year of 2002.
II. To give full discharge and acquittal (acquit et decharge) to Board of Directors for their management responsibilities and to Board of Commissioners for their supervisory responsibilities during the book year of 2002 to the extent that such performances were reflected in the Consolidated Financial Report and its Subsidiaries.
2. Agenda 2
I. The net income of the Company for the book year of 2002 is Rp. 3.636,608 million (three trillion six hundred thirty six billion six hundred eight million rupiah) to be used for:
Rp. 500,497,000,000 (five hundred billion four hundred ninety seven million rupiah) to cover the Company’s deficit of the previous year;
Rp. 40,000,000,000 (forty billion rupiah) for reserves fund; and
Remaining Rp. 3,096,111,000,000 (three trillion ninety six billion one hundred eleven million rupiah) booked as retained earnings for operational, financial and investment purposes.
II. The Company will not distribute dividend to shareholders for the book year of 2002 due to restrictions as stipulated in 2002 Debt Restructuring agreement.
3. Agenda 3
I. To accept resignation of Sri Mulyani Indrawati from her post as an Independent Commissioner effective 11 January 2003 and resignation of Vimala Menon from her post as a Commissioner effective as of the closing of the AGMS.
II. To elect the following persons as new Commissioners of the Company:
1) Mari Elka Pangestu as Independent Commissioner
2) Djunaedi Hadisumarto as Independent Commissioner
3) Patrick Morris Alexander as Independent Commissioner
4) Brian Richard Keelan as Commissioner
5) Adam Philip Charles Keswick as Commissioner
effective as the closing of the AGMS until the closing of the first AGMS that the Company will hold after this AGMS.
III. To resolve that composition of the Board of Commissioners as follows:
President Commissioner/Independent Commissioner :
Theodore Permadi Rachmat
Vice President Commissioner/Independent Commissioner :
Benny Subianto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Benjamin Arman Suriadjaya
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Juwono Sudarsono
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Mari Elka Pangestu
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Djunaedi Hadisumarto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Motonobu Takemoto
Commissioner/Independent Commissioner : Patrick Morris Alexander
Commissioner : Anthony John Liddell Nightingale
Commissioner : Philip Eng Heng Nee
Commissioner : Neville Barry Venter
Commissioner : Brian Richard Keelan
Commissioner : Adam Philip Charles Keswick
effective as the closing of the AGMS until the closing of the first AGMS that the Company will hold after this AGMS.
IV. - To authorize the Board of Commissioners to determine salaries and/or allowance of members of the Board of Directors.
- To determine honorarium of all members of the Board of Commissioners with total amount Rp. 460,000,000 [four hundred sixty million rupiah] gross (before income tax) per month to be paid 13 installments in one year and to be effective 1 June 2003, and to give authorization to President Commissioner to determine amount to be distributed among members of the Board of Commissioners.
V. To give power of attorney with substitution rights to the Board of Directors of the Company to record the resolutions of the AGMS and EGMS in a notary deed and to further announce the composition of the Board of Commissioners to the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights of the Republic of Indonesia as well as to register it in the Company Register in compliance with the prevailing regulations.
4. Agenda 4
To reappoint the public accountant firm of "Drs. Hadi Sutanto & Rekan" to audit the Company’s financial report for the book year of 2003, and to authorize the Board of Directors of the Company to determine fee and other terms and conditions of such appointment.
II. EGMS Agenda
1. Agenda 1
To approve establishment of a limited liability company between the Company and Toyota Motor Corporation, Japan ("TMC") in marketing and distribution of Toyota brand motor vehicles.
2. Agenda 2
To approve sale of 46% (forty six percent) shares of PT Toyota-Astra Motor (TAM) owned by the Company to Toyota Motor Corporation worth of US$ 226 million at terms and conditions negotiated by the Board of Directors.
PT Astra International Tbk.
Aminuddin
Corporate Secretary
For further information please contact:
Corporate Communication
PT Astra International Tbk
62-(021)-6530-4956
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Heres another proof ! In case mata anda lagi ngak benar :
http://www.tempo.co.id/hg/nasional/2003 ... 15,id.html
Astra Jual 46 Persen Saham di TAM Untuk Bayar Utang
22 Mei 2003
TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta:Dari hasil penjualan Rp 1,9 trilyun, sekitar Rp 1,02 trilyun dipakai untuk membayar hutang.
Rapat Umum Pemegang Saham Luar Biasa PT Astra Internasional Tbk memutuskan untuk melepas 46 persen saham mereka di PT Toyota-Astra Motor (TAM) kepada Toyota Motor Corporation dengan harga US$ 226 juta atau senilai Rp1,9 triliun (kurs Rp 8.500).
Presiden Direktur PT Astra Internasional Tbk. Budi Setiadharma mengatakan dana yang diperoleh, setelah pemotongan biaya pajak, akan digunakan untuk membayar utang. " Sekitar US$120 juta (Rp1,02 triliun) akan digunakan untuk membayar utang," kata Budi Setiadharma kepada wartawan usai rapat di Hotel Intercontinental, Jakarta Kamis (22/5).
Budi mengatakan dana pembayaran utang hasil divestasi saham ini diluar dana rutin pembayaran utang. Dengan penambahan alokasi dana pembayaran utang ini, kata dia, diperkirakan akhir tahun 2003 ini perusahaan bisa mencapai release date (masa keterikatan) dengan krediturnya. Dengan begitu, perusahaan akan bisa menggunakan dana perusahaannya dengan lebih leluasa tanpa adanya ikatan dengan kreditur, misalnya untuk membayar deviden.
Budi yakin, dengan kinerja perusahaan hingga kuartal pertama ini, pada akhir tahun 2003 perusahaan akan mampu memberikan deviden, yang belum mampu dibayarkan sejak enam tahun terakhir. " Kami sangat yakin, untuk 2003 bisa memberikan deviden," kata dia. Hingga 31 Maret, lanjut dia, perusahaaan mencatat keuntungan sebesar 800 miliar. Dalam kesempatan ini ia didampingi oleh jajaran direksi perusahaan seperti Michael Dharmawan R., D. Walla, Kour N. T., John S. A. Slack, Prijono Sugiarto, dan Gunawan G. H. Selain itu juga terlihat Presiden Komisaris TP. Rachmat.
Dengan pelepasan saham ini, komposisi saham Astra di TAM bagian manufaktur tinggal 5 persen. Oleh karena itu, perusahaan, lanjut Budi, akan berkonsentrasi pada bidang pemasaran dan distribusi kendaraan bermotor merek Toyota, bekerjasama dengan TMC. Penjualan saham Astra ini tidak merubah komposisi kepemilikan sahamnya di TAM distribusi, yang mencapai mayoritas 51 pesen. Sedangkan 49 persen dimiliki oleh JMC. Ia mengaku yakin, pembelian saham Astra oleh JMC menunjukkan minat perusahaan asing itu untuk mengembangkan industrinya di Indonesia.
"Pasti Toyota punya rencana untuk memakai Indonesia sebagai salah satu base production dari model tertentu Toyota," kata dia optimis. "Produk dari Indonesia akan bisa ekspor ke negara-negara lain," kata dia. Berdasarkan pembicaraan terakhir dengan Toyota, lanjut dia, ada rencana penambahan Capex secara bertahap antara US$ 200-300 juta. Tambahan investasi ini, lanjut dia, juga akan diikuti oleh beberapa vendor-vendor Toyota untuk model-model baru kendaraan. " Misalnya untuk cetakannya, mereka harus lakukan investasi," kata dia.
Bisnis distribusi kendaraan merek Toyota yang akan digeluti Astra ke depan, kata Budi, tergantung pada produk-produk baru kendaraan keluaran produsen mobil terkemuka Jepang itu. Hingga saat ini, Budi mengakui bahwa model kijang buatan Toyota terbilang jenis lama. Sementara dari jenis sedan, yang terbilang baru adalah sedan mini Vios, yang dilempar ke pasar dua pekan lalu. Ditanya berapa model baru yang akan dipasarkan dalam dua tahun ke depan, Budi mengelak. " Tunggu aja nanti," katanya.
Sedangkan dalam Rapat Umum Pemegang Saham Tahunan yang diadakan beberapa saat sebelum RUPSLB, dua orang komisaris mengundurkan diri, yaitu Sri Mulyani Indrawati dan Vimala Menon. Sedangkan salah satu komisaris baru adalah Marie Elka Pangestu, yang juga dikenal sebagai ekonom.
http://www.tempo.co.id/hg/nasional/2003 ... 15,id.html
Astra Jual 46 Persen Saham di TAM Untuk Bayar Utang
22 Mei 2003
TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta:Dari hasil penjualan Rp 1,9 trilyun, sekitar Rp 1,02 trilyun dipakai untuk membayar hutang.
Rapat Umum Pemegang Saham Luar Biasa PT Astra Internasional Tbk memutuskan untuk melepas 46 persen saham mereka di PT Toyota-Astra Motor (TAM) kepada Toyota Motor Corporation dengan harga US$ 226 juta atau senilai Rp1,9 triliun (kurs Rp 8.500).
Presiden Direktur PT Astra Internasional Tbk. Budi Setiadharma mengatakan dana yang diperoleh, setelah pemotongan biaya pajak, akan digunakan untuk membayar utang. " Sekitar US$120 juta (Rp1,02 triliun) akan digunakan untuk membayar utang," kata Budi Setiadharma kepada wartawan usai rapat di Hotel Intercontinental, Jakarta Kamis (22/5).
Budi mengatakan dana pembayaran utang hasil divestasi saham ini diluar dana rutin pembayaran utang. Dengan penambahan alokasi dana pembayaran utang ini, kata dia, diperkirakan akhir tahun 2003 ini perusahaan bisa mencapai release date (masa keterikatan) dengan krediturnya. Dengan begitu, perusahaan akan bisa menggunakan dana perusahaannya dengan lebih leluasa tanpa adanya ikatan dengan kreditur, misalnya untuk membayar deviden.
Budi yakin, dengan kinerja perusahaan hingga kuartal pertama ini, pada akhir tahun 2003 perusahaan akan mampu memberikan deviden, yang belum mampu dibayarkan sejak enam tahun terakhir. " Kami sangat yakin, untuk 2003 bisa memberikan deviden," kata dia. Hingga 31 Maret, lanjut dia, perusahaaan mencatat keuntungan sebesar 800 miliar. Dalam kesempatan ini ia didampingi oleh jajaran direksi perusahaan seperti Michael Dharmawan R., D. Walla, Kour N. T., John S. A. Slack, Prijono Sugiarto, dan Gunawan G. H. Selain itu juga terlihat Presiden Komisaris TP. Rachmat.
Dengan pelepasan saham ini, komposisi saham Astra di TAM bagian manufaktur tinggal 5 persen. Oleh karena itu, perusahaan, lanjut Budi, akan berkonsentrasi pada bidang pemasaran dan distribusi kendaraan bermotor merek Toyota, bekerjasama dengan TMC. Penjualan saham Astra ini tidak merubah komposisi kepemilikan sahamnya di TAM distribusi, yang mencapai mayoritas 51 pesen. Sedangkan 49 persen dimiliki oleh JMC. Ia mengaku yakin, pembelian saham Astra oleh JMC menunjukkan minat perusahaan asing itu untuk mengembangkan industrinya di Indonesia.
"Pasti Toyota punya rencana untuk memakai Indonesia sebagai salah satu base production dari model tertentu Toyota," kata dia optimis. "Produk dari Indonesia akan bisa ekspor ke negara-negara lain," kata dia. Berdasarkan pembicaraan terakhir dengan Toyota, lanjut dia, ada rencana penambahan Capex secara bertahap antara US$ 200-300 juta. Tambahan investasi ini, lanjut dia, juga akan diikuti oleh beberapa vendor-vendor Toyota untuk model-model baru kendaraan. " Misalnya untuk cetakannya, mereka harus lakukan investasi," kata dia.
Bisnis distribusi kendaraan merek Toyota yang akan digeluti Astra ke depan, kata Budi, tergantung pada produk-produk baru kendaraan keluaran produsen mobil terkemuka Jepang itu. Hingga saat ini, Budi mengakui bahwa model kijang buatan Toyota terbilang jenis lama. Sementara dari jenis sedan, yang terbilang baru adalah sedan mini Vios, yang dilempar ke pasar dua pekan lalu. Ditanya berapa model baru yang akan dipasarkan dalam dua tahun ke depan, Budi mengelak. " Tunggu aja nanti," katanya.
Sedangkan dalam Rapat Umum Pemegang Saham Tahunan yang diadakan beberapa saat sebelum RUPSLB, dua orang komisaris mengundurkan diri, yaitu Sri Mulyani Indrawati dan Vimala Menon. Sedangkan salah satu komisaris baru adalah Marie Elka Pangestu, yang juga dikenal sebagai ekonom.
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Scan, OK. Cuman tolong cek dulu tanggal scannya tahun berapa, bulan berapa !
Untung saya kerja di family business. Saya sudah habis banyak uang internet dan waktu untuk give U the facts ! I don't have ALL DAY !
If U still refuse to accept facts, then there is nothing I can do ! I know berita pahit itu susah di terima, seperti death of a loved one.
But as I say, life changes, life goes on ! ACCEPT IT !
Kecuali U may kerjain gue ! Of course saya tidak akan buang 5 jam demi cari bukti lagi untuk berita ini !
Don't forget to read the article Jazz vs hybrids before yr last post !
Untung saya kerja di family business. Saya sudah habis banyak uang internet dan waktu untuk give U the facts ! I don't have ALL DAY !
If U still refuse to accept facts, then there is nothing I can do ! I know berita pahit itu susah di terima, seperti death of a loved one.
But as I say, life changes, life goes on ! ACCEPT IT !
Kecuali U may kerjain gue ! Of course saya tidak akan buang 5 jam demi cari bukti lagi untuk berita ini !
Don't forget to read the article Jazz vs hybrids before yr last post !
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Yeah ! Mano a mano ! Like the Jazz song " Just the 2 of us.....just the 2 of us, You and I ! "
And don't forget, dari tadi kita debatenya shareholder of TAM. Toyota Astra Motor, NOT any of their subsidiaries ! And TMMIN juga sama. Toyota Jepang have the majority shares !
I suggest U save yourself the trouble of having to scan, save, and attach to yr PC. Repot !
I have all the facts from Astra's internet website, from Tempo mass media. Could they be wrong ?
There is nothing ashamed of forgetting something. Just accept reality. That makes life easier !
Justru we should all be happy. Artinya kalau nanti TAM kasih kita mobil minim safety terus, artinya biang keroknya orang Jepang di Tokyo sana, bukan orang kita sendiri di Astra sunter !
Cause I will be sad if orang kita sendiri decides to give us poor safety cars again ! Kalau orang Jepang, ya nothing we can say, cause they are NOT Indonesians after all !
And don't forget, dari tadi kita debatenya shareholder of TAM. Toyota Astra Motor, NOT any of their subsidiaries ! And TMMIN juga sama. Toyota Jepang have the majority shares !
I suggest U save yourself the trouble of having to scan, save, and attach to yr PC. Repot !
I have all the facts from Astra's internet website, from Tempo mass media. Could they be wrong ?
There is nothing ashamed of forgetting something. Just accept reality. That makes life easier !
Justru we should all be happy. Artinya kalau nanti TAM kasih kita mobil minim safety terus, artinya biang keroknya orang Jepang di Tokyo sana, bukan orang kita sendiri di Astra sunter !
Cause I will be sad if orang kita sendiri decides to give us poor safety cars again ! Kalau orang Jepang, ya nothing we can say, cause they are NOT Indonesians after all !
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Betul apa kata Anda. Oknum bea cukai pasti ngotot bahwa Prius adalah sedan, padahal sudah jelas tidak ada pantat bagasinya dan walaupun di depan mata mereka sendiri pintu belakangnya dibuka lebar2 ('HATCHBACK'), mereka mungkin akan tetap bilang itu sedan, ya enggak, hahahahaTomS wrote:Bung Conan, Prius itu termasuk sedan atau hatchback sebenarnya ?
Kalau lihat modelnya kelihatannya termasuk hatchback, tetapi yang namanya Prius itu telanjur populer sebagai sedan di masyarakat umum.
Mengenai masalah hatchback atau sedan ini bisa pengaruh di bea masuk yang biasanya waktu barang masuk ke Indo akan diributkan antara bea cukai dan importirnya
Mengenai sedan/hatchback, ini dikarenakan Prius generasi pertama berbodi sedan, dengan pantat bagasi.
Untuk generasi kedua, Toyota memilih hatchback yang jelas lebih praktis daripada sedan.
Jadi mungkin orang masih mengingat Prius generasi pertama yang mirip Toyota Echo sedan lama. Tapi generasi kedua ini benar2 hatchback koq.
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Justru karena orang2 Indon lama di TAM inilah yang menyebabkan kita diberi Kijang Innova dan bukannya pilihan Toyota Wish dan Noah/Voxy!
Back to topic, Dark Lord, you know what your problem is, which is also the biggest difference between you and me in debating?
Aku mengumpulkan dan mempelajari fakta2 dulu, baru membuat asumsi/hipotesis.
Contoh, aku mengumpulkan data tentang Serena generasi2 sebelumnya (C23, C24), mempelajari pola life cycle produk tersebut, dan setelah mengumpulkan cukup bukti tentang keberadaan next generation Serena, baru aku membuat kesimpulan (pada tahun 2004 lalu) : Bahwa C25 akan diluncurkan pada tahun 2005.
Dan terbukti benar, kan?
Kalau Anda, sebaliknya. Anda membuat dulu asumsi sendiri, menganggapnya fakta/kenyataan, baru mencari bukti2 yg mungkin mendukung 'teori' Anda itu! Bukti2 yg menentang, ignored.
Contohnya saja, thread sebelah tentang TAM dan thread ini tentang hybrid!
Karena Nissan telat dan Ghosn cepat2 'membela diri', Anda yg fanatik keduanya dengan cepat pula menjatuhkan 'vonis haram' pada hybrid!
Lalu Anda tidak mau tahu dan tidak mau dengar sama sekali tentang mengapa mayoritas pabrikan mobil sedang mengembangkan hybrid dengan serius, dan bahwa Nissan+Ghosn hanya 'berdalih' agar tidak dianggap ketinggalan, padahal di belakang layar mereka beli juga dari Toyota tapi tidak gembar-gembor (dan mereka juga kini sedang giat R&D hybrid).
Sure, Ghosn is GOD, Nissan is the BEST company on earth dan the Dark Lord is always RIGHT.
Dan bahwa para pabrikan besar lain yg serius mengembangkan hybrid, mereka SALAH semua :
TOYOTA? Hah, mereka akan segera tersusul oleh Nissan!
HONDA? The Power of Dreams? Hah, mereka hanya mimpi!
Mazda? Mitsubishi? Ford? BMW? Mercedes? Audi? Porsche?
Dan banyak lagi? I guess they're all WRONG and only WASTING MONEY with hybrid?
Well, guess what :
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... er=asia<br>
Bukankah dari dulu aku sudah bilang bahwa biaya produksi hybrid akan turun terus, sama saja seperti teknologi VTEC/VVTi sekarang! Dulu VTEC baru dipakai oleh Honda NSX supercar, sakarang bahkan Jazz juga sudah pakai!
Dan Anda ini logikanya dipakai tidak, waktu Anda membandingkan mobil hybrid dengan Jazz?? Bandingkan Jazz biasa dengan Jazz hybrid, yang mana yang lebih irit?? NO BRAINER Pak!! Baca lagi ini :
DIESEL untuk mobil2 besar dan HYBRID untuk mobil2 kecil, brilliant strategy!!
And eventually, the diesels will be diesel hybrids!
Dan baca lagi ini :
Bagi yang ragu, I only have one question, "Do you believe in the power of dreams?"
This is from a company that brings us VTEC to the masses (almost every Honda model has it by now).
The company who brings us the first-ever, alumunium-bodied supercar (Honda NSX in 1992, even before the 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena)
The company who made the first humanoid robots that can actually walk and dance (ASIMO and ASIMO II)
It's an exciting future!
Back to topic, Dark Lord, you know what your problem is, which is also the biggest difference between you and me in debating?
Aku mengumpulkan dan mempelajari fakta2 dulu, baru membuat asumsi/hipotesis.
Contoh, aku mengumpulkan data tentang Serena generasi2 sebelumnya (C23, C24), mempelajari pola life cycle produk tersebut, dan setelah mengumpulkan cukup bukti tentang keberadaan next generation Serena, baru aku membuat kesimpulan (pada tahun 2004 lalu) : Bahwa C25 akan diluncurkan pada tahun 2005.
Dan terbukti benar, kan?
Kalau Anda, sebaliknya. Anda membuat dulu asumsi sendiri, menganggapnya fakta/kenyataan, baru mencari bukti2 yg mungkin mendukung 'teori' Anda itu! Bukti2 yg menentang, ignored.
Contohnya saja, thread sebelah tentang TAM dan thread ini tentang hybrid!
Karena Nissan telat dan Ghosn cepat2 'membela diri', Anda yg fanatik keduanya dengan cepat pula menjatuhkan 'vonis haram' pada hybrid!
Lalu Anda tidak mau tahu dan tidak mau dengar sama sekali tentang mengapa mayoritas pabrikan mobil sedang mengembangkan hybrid dengan serius, dan bahwa Nissan+Ghosn hanya 'berdalih' agar tidak dianggap ketinggalan, padahal di belakang layar mereka beli juga dari Toyota tapi tidak gembar-gembor (dan mereka juga kini sedang giat R&D hybrid).
Sure, Ghosn is GOD, Nissan is the BEST company on earth dan the Dark Lord is always RIGHT.
Dan bahwa para pabrikan besar lain yg serius mengembangkan hybrid, mereka SALAH semua :
TOYOTA? Hah, mereka akan segera tersusul oleh Nissan!
HONDA? The Power of Dreams? Hah, mereka hanya mimpi!
Mazda? Mitsubishi? Ford? BMW? Mercedes? Audi? Porsche?
Dan banyak lagi? I guess they're all WRONG and only WASTING MONEY with hybrid?
Well, guess what :
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... er=asia<br>
Baca tuh Pak!!
Honda Will Cut Excess Price of Civic Hybrids to Bolster Sales
Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co., the world's second- largest maker of gas-electric cars, said it will cut the excess cost of so-called hybrid system on the Civic by a third within 5 years, as it phases out the gasoline-powered version in some markets including Japan.
The additional cost of using a hybrid system to run Honda's Civic compact car will fall by a third to 200,000 yen ($1,702) each, as development costs are halved, President Takeo Fukui said today. The Civic Hybrid, with a four-month waiting list in Japan, is priced at between 2.2 million and 2.4 million yen.
Honda is relying on hybrid versions of the Civic and Accord, its two best-selling models, to compete with Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius as record gasoline prices spur demand for vehicles that burn less fuel. Tokyo-based Honda may put diesel engines in light trucks in North America, where it sells about 49 percent of its vehicles, Fukui said.
``Once we are able to cut costs and lower the premium price of the hybrids, there is a possibility that in some markets like Japan, we will only sell Civic Hybrids and no more gasoline- powered Civics,'' Fukui said in an interview today. ``We plan to install diesels in bigger models and hybrids in smaller models.''
Bukankah dari dulu aku sudah bilang bahwa biaya produksi hybrid akan turun terus, sama saja seperti teknologi VTEC/VVTi sekarang! Dulu VTEC baru dipakai oleh Honda NSX supercar, sakarang bahkan Jazz juga sudah pakai!
Dan Anda ini logikanya dipakai tidak, waktu Anda membandingkan mobil hybrid dengan Jazz?? Bandingkan Jazz biasa dengan Jazz hybrid, yang mana yang lebih irit?? NO BRAINER Pak!! Baca lagi ini :
Very CLEVER, Honda!!We plan to install diesels in bigger models and hybrids in smaller models.
DIESEL untuk mobil2 besar dan HYBRID untuk mobil2 kecil, brilliant strategy!!
And eventually, the diesels will be diesel hybrids!
Dan baca lagi ini :
Inilah arah menuju masa depan! Dimulai di Jepang, tentu saja, dan satu atau dua generasi kemudian, mungkin semua Civic di dunia sudah Civic hybrid! No more 'civic hybrid', just 'Civic'!Once we are able to cut costs and lower the premium price of the hybrids, there is a possibility that in some markets like Japan, we will only sell Civic Hybrids and no more gasoline- powered Civics
Bagi yang ragu, I only have one question, "Do you believe in the power of dreams?"
This is from a company that brings us VTEC to the masses (almost every Honda model has it by now).
The company who brings us the first-ever, alumunium-bodied supercar (Honda NSX in 1992, even before the 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena)
The company who made the first humanoid robots that can actually walk and dance (ASIMO and ASIMO II)
It's an exciting future!
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Toyota is going the hybrid path after it’s hybrid models especially the Toyota Prius have shown tremendous success.
Toyota has sold 425,000 hybrid cars since 1997, which include the Toyota Prius Hybrid car, Toyota Camry Hybrid sedan,Toyota Highlander Hybrid SUV and a hybrid Toyota Coaster bus. Toyota Prius sales ahve gone up 133% in the first 8 months this year.
Hybrid models are to be made more mainstream from now on and now just to serve a niche environmentalist market. Toyota’s President Katsuaki Watanabe says Toyota aims to cut production costs and halve the USD $5,000 price premium on such vehicles over the normal models.
Toyota Executive Vice President Kazuo Okamoto also said Toyota plans for a 100% hybrid future, where all cars from Toyota will be hybrids.
