NASA - Toyota Tidak Ada Masalah Elektronik

[FortunerMan]

There is no electronic-based cause for unintended acceleration in Toyotas - US Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... host-free/

Ghost Busters Go Bust: Toyotas Declared Ghost-Free

In a press conference today at 2pm in Washington, the DOT presented the results of a 10-month review. It was commissioned by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and conducted by NASA engineers. The engineers who usually busy themselves with Mars and Venus went on the hunt for the ghost in Toyota’s machine.

“A U.S. government investigation showed no link between electronic throttles and unintended acceleration in Toyota Motor Corp vehicles,” writes Reuters, “a victory for the world’s top automaker battered by recalls over runaway vehicles.” The NASA’s scientists found no ghosts, no tin whiskers, no shorts, not a shred of evidence.

Even “hold Toyota’s feet to the fire” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood had to concede: “We enlisted the best and brightest engineers to study Toyota’s electronics systems and the verdict is in. There is no electronic-based cause for unintended acceleration in Toyotas,”

itu kata NASA lho...setelah penelitian 10 bulan

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/08/autos/n ... htm?hpt=T1

As part of the study, the agencies ran tests at a Chrysler Group LLC testing facility in Auburn Hills, Mich. headquarters in which researchers bombarded Toyota vehicles with electromagnetic radiation to see if they could cause any malfunctions that might lead to unintended acceleration.

Toyota Motor Co. has also provided NASA software engineers with "unrestricted access" to the computer code used to control the electronic throttle control systems. The software engineers have been combing through the code looking for anything that might cause a car to accelerate out of control under any circumstances, NHTSA said.
0:00 /2:35A year later, Toyota fights recalls

Also, scientists at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center and NHTSA East Liberty, Ohio, research center have been examining cars and Toyota throttle systems, searching for any defects that might cause unwanted acceleration.

This summer, NHTSA released the results of some investigations into Toyota sudden acceleration incidents. Those investigations specifically looked into 58 alleged unintended acceleration cases. These investigations suggested that drivers themselves may have been partly at fault. At that time the agency stressed that the results were preliminary.

[ZombiEE]

Masi preliminary yah bang FM?:)

[FortunerMan]

Summer lalu, preliminary. Kemaren...FINAL.

[ZombiEE]

Just to make sure...tau2nya kena serang pulak dr samping..‎​​メίίメίίメίί‎​​メίίメίίメίί

[FortunerMan]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... ore-383463

Recallpolitik
By Bertel Schmitt on February 10, 2011

Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano today took the unusual step of publicly voicing the Japanese government’s satisfaction with the U.S. government’s findings that Toyota’s electronic throttle control system is free of glitches, ghosts and malfunctions. It was a not so subtle reminder that politics weighed heavily in Toyota’s SUA scandal.

On Tuesday, a study by NASA, commissioned by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, had exonerated the Toyota ECU that had been fingered by the media and politicians as the source of all SUA evil.

”It is extremely good that it was made clear that Toyota’s system is not the reason (behind the acceleration cases),” Edano told a news conference, witnessed by The Nikkei.

It is widely believed on both sides of the Pacific that Toyota was made an example of in order to demonstrate to a Japanese administration unpopular with the American in particular, and to the world in general, what can happen to a nice company if a country doesn’t play ball according to American rules.

It came as no surprise that the public hounding of Toyota was ratcheted down immediately after Japan’s Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama resigned in June 2010. He had been elected on a platform of removing U.S. Marine air units off the strategically important Okinawa islands.

What happened shortly after the congressional tribunals in Washington? In May last year, Hatoyama announced that ridding Okinawa of U.S. troops might not be possible. To make sure that he did not forget, LaHood visited Japan 4 days later and made hints of further fines against Toyota (which came.)

Hatoyama had to go, and that’s what he did.

What a sudden change!

Two weeks after Hatoyama had resigned on June 2, 2010, the NHTSA recalled large parts of the recall database which had been used as a virtual killing field before. A few weeks later, the NHTSA changed its position and started to mention possible driver error.

Soon, a supposedly suppressed report by the NHTSA that named driver error as the cause was leaked. In October, NHTSA Chief David Strickland suddenly praised Toyota, extolled a “change in how Toyota approaches defects” and said that “Toyota really is taking safety much more seriously than they did before I took office.”

Things became quiet around Toyota, LaHood picked another enemy: Text messages.

Tuesday’s NASA findings are nothing else than the final act of a drama that had long ended.

It’s the administration’s peace with honor with Japan.

The troops are still in Okinawa. The auto industry is humming again. A whitewashed and prettied-up GM has been successfully floated at the stock exchange. Toyota had to sacrifice market share in the U.S. GM is selling cars again and has come within spitting distance of Toyota in the World Championship of Automobile Production. All signs point to GM becoming the world leader again this year.

Mission accomplished.

Before you start typing snide remarks, read this:

For more than 25 years, I was married into a high powered Washington military family. My former father in law was top brass. He taught me three things: Don’t believe in wide conspiracies. Don’t believe in coincidences. Battles are won by exploiting the weakness of the enemy.

The administration did not make up the SUA reports. The CIA did not sabotage a Lexus to send Mark Saylor and three of his family to their death. Brian Ross is not on the payroll of the UAW. This is not a Clancy novel.

In this game, you don’t make things up. (Not unless you are really hard pressed and you absolutely must invade Iraq.)

Politics is the art of spin. You wait for something to happen.

If politically expedient, you ignore it. Such as the countless SUA cases that had been filed over the years, involving just about any brand’s car.

If it fits your plans, you take the event, you blow it out of proportion, you put a drop of blood in the water and let the sharks do the dirty work for you. If it gets out of hand, you can always blame the sharks.

William Safire once said: ”Spin is what a pitcher does when he throws a curveball. The English on the ball causes it to appear to be going in a slightly different direction than it actually is.” I know a little about spin. In more than 35 years of producing propaganda for the world’s third largest automaker, I spun my fair share of industrial strength yarn.

Timing is an important part of spin. When the Toyota Unintended Acceleration Scandal of 2010 unfolded into a full scale frenzy, America, and especially the American car industry was deeply humiliated. Two of the Detroit 3 had declared bankruptcy. One was hanging on for dear life. The government found itself in the car business, and business was bad. U.S. car sales were at their lowest level in 27 years. For the first time since anyone could remember, the U.S. had to give up the title largest car market to someone else. To add insult to industry, that someone was China, a country we thought held the world record in bicycles. Jobs were lost. Houses were foreclosed.

What do you do in such a situation? You use a tool that had proven its usefulness over thousands of years: The enemy abroad.

Seru juga...

[FortunerMan]

Back to normal... http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/15/repo ... -revealed/

Report: Toyota image gets big boost after NASA findings revealed

by Zach Bowman (RSS feed) on Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:00AM
Toyota LogoIt doesn't take much to change the opinion of the masses, apparently. Automotive News is reporting that it only took a mere two days for Toyota to see a rebound in its reputation after NASA engineers cleared the company of any electronic flaws in its vehicle software. As you may recall, the Department of Transportation called in some of the brightest minds from the country's space program to have a look at the issues surrounding the rash of unintended acceleration claims involving Toyota vehicles. Those engineers couldn't find anything that would point to an electronic issue as the culprit.

What did they find? As it turns out, the NASA investigation pointed to the same culprits as both Toyota and the Department of Transportation. Instances of unintended acceleration were caused by sticky pedals, floor mat interference, or good old-fashioned pedal misapplication.

Automotive News reports that according to YouGov/Brandindex, a company that tracks customer perception of popular brands, Toyota saw a sizeable boost in its reputation in the days following the announcement.

Toyota, meanwhile, says that the company doesn't view the findings as a victory. Instead, the news is simply validation of what the automaker believed to be true all along.

[doq]

oom NASA pasti udh d suap toyota

[FortunerMan]

oom NASA pasti udh d suap toyota

Huahahaha...pastinya

[maskopat]

disuap mah gak seru lagi om... diinfus....

[toyotaman]

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/g ... -case.html


Government report not necessarily the last word in Toyota case
Friday, February 11, 2011

A report by NASA engineers found “no electronic-based cause for unintended high-speed acceleration in Toyotas,” in the words of U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. But the report has not ended efforts by attorneys for drivers who have experienced unintended acceleration to determine whether electronics could have been the cause of the problem.


Seattle attorney Steve Berman, co-lead counsel on the plaintiffs’ steering committee for the economic class actions in the multidistrict litigation against Toyota, took issue with the findings. “Our experts tell us that the report is just wrong, and they are confident that they are going to be able to show that the electronic throttle control contributed to unintended acceleration,” Berman told The Washington Post.


Berman indirectly questioned the report’s methodology and said


…many of its findings are in stark contrast to what Toyota drivers across the country experienced–and continue to experience–even after the series of recalls. There are too many reports of runaway events in vehicles with the pedal and floor mat “fix” to eliminate other causes such as electronic throttle control.


The “fix” Berman referred to was handled in Toyota’s recall of 8 million vehicles to repair problems that led to accelerator pedals being stuck to the floor and floor mats being trapped. The NASA report found those mechanical defects could have been the cause of unintended acceleration.


But the report acknowledges there could still be an undiscovered electronics issue:


Today’s vehicles are sufficiently complex that no reasonable amount of analysis or testing can prove electronics and software have no errors. Therefore, absence of proof that the [electronics] has caused [unintended acceleration] does not vindicate the system.


“It’s very hard to prove a negative,” Edmunds.com chief executive Jeremy Anwyl told the Post. “It was a good move to bring NASA in for credibility, but we haven’t moved the ball forward. This will be an issue that will continue to fester.”


Jeffrey Pepski, a driver who complained to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration about sudden acceleration of his Lexus ES, wasn’t reassured by the report. “It doesn’t resolve my concerns,” Pepski told the Los Angeles Times. “Just because they couldn’t reproduce the problem doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. All it means is that they couldn’t reproduce it. I stand by my story.”


The question of whether Toyota had an electronics problem with its cars goes to whether consumers will be able to form a class to sue Toyota for economic damages. “The new study throws a monkey wrench in the factual situation,” George Washington University Law School professor John Banzhaf told The National Law Journal (the story is available online only to paid subscribers). “By complicating the cases makes it less likely they’ll be able to proceed in a class action.”


Banzhaf told National Law Journal reporter Amanda Bronstad the NASA report threw doubt on the similarities of prospective class members because it did not identify a defect (such as faulty electronics code) common to all vehicles.

[VanzMatic]

Halah pake basa Alien gt, ga bisa cepet bacanya ah...mana kebanyakan pulak yang dibold....

Lewati...

[ZombiEE]

@FM: uda verifikasi NASA disogok kaga?(Kan biar bang TM bisa tenang)soalnya *sorry oot* di houston space center ada pesan sponsor omega lo...

[toyotaman]

Mau ngerti ? Tinggal copy paste versi Inggrisnya ke

http://translate.google.co.id/#

Pilih Inggris ke Indonesia.


Silahkan baca kebenaran ! Dan jangan menuduh saya apa apa dulu sebelum ngerti isi beritanya apa.

Halah pake basa Alien gt, ga bisa cepet bacanya ah...mana kebanyakan pulak yang dibold....

Lewati...

[toyotaman]

Orang yang sudah sering pakai alat elektronic seperti komputer dan HP pasti tau, kadang alat elektronik bisa hang tiba tiba, dan kemudian sesudah di reboot balik normal lagi. Jadi saat habis kejadian hang / error terus lu bawa ke toko computer dan tanya ahlinya " Kok tadi pagi komputer saya hang yah tapi sekarang sesudah di re-boot dah OK lagi ? "


Apakah AHLI komputer pasti bisa lacak masalahnya apa yang bikin hang tadi pagi ? Belum tentu ! Dan coba suruh pakar komputernya coba ulangi kasus hang yang SAMA ama yang di alami konsumennya tadi pagi. Bisa ngak ?


Namanya juga elektronik. Kalau lagi kena bugs atau kasus, sering tidak tinggalkan jejak yang akan bantu lacak masalah kasusnya. Pokoknya udah hang, error, dan sesudah di re-boot dah OK lagi, hampir mustahil mau lacak dan cari penyebab errornya tadi.


Sama seperti toyota. Banyak orang sangat yakin, ini masalah elektronik toyota ada bugsnya atau masalah lain. Jadi saat error, muncul kasus accelerasi mendadak. Cuman beda ama komputer, saat sebuah toyota lagi lari gila gitu, tidak bisa di re-boot, dan akibatnya, orang MATI saat tabrakan fatal.

@FM: uda verifikasi NASA disogok kaga?(Kan biar bang TM bisa tenang)soalnya *sorry oot* di houston space center ada pesan sponsor omega lo...

[VanzMatic]

Ow gitu ea oom TM... zzoooo semangat skali beberin kayak gitu eah? http://www.majalahtrust.com/fokus/fokus/429.php
Nissan...Nissan....

Di forum sebelah juga.... http://www.avanzaxenia.net/showthread.php?tid=10077

Tak ada gading yang tak retak oom TM... Saya, kami, SMers juga Anda, pasti tak ada yang luput dari salah. Justru masalah Nissan di Indonesia yg lebih banyak ada dibanding masalah Toyota di Indonesia. Kita di Indonesia bung... WAKE UP, okay...?

Anda mau menyorot kasus Toyota di Amrik? Memangnya what da h*ll?? Anda anggota jaksa penuntut yang kalah atau gimana, kok ampe kayak kebakaran jenggot gitu provokasinya??

Open recall ataupun silent recall, bagaimanapun, adalah patut kita syukuri. Masih ada tanggung jawab ATPM.

Bagaimanapun, kasus ini diblow up DAN Anda juga ikut2an blow up, jgn2 juga karena kepentingan menyukseskan GM yang Pontiac nya aja udah bangkrut...hehe...

Dah lah, disini, patut disyukuri, engga terjadi hal kayak gitu.... Dan sangat jarang lah...

[VanzMatic]

Jadi saat error, muncul kasus accelerasi mendadak. Cuman beda ama komputer, saat sebuah toyota lagi lari gila gitu, tidak bisa di re-boot, dan akibatnya, orang MATI saat tabrakan fatal.

Wah mendingan balik ke jaman injeksi mekanikal atau karbu aja dah, aman! Masih pakai kabel gas... Mending Kijang TOB atau Corolla Twincam deh...

Ga usa bangga2in canggih2an mesin...

[toyotaman]

Kamu masih ngak ngerti yah ? Yang saya permasalahkan BUKAN mobil toyota ada masalah atau ngak. Semua orang juga tau semua merek ngak ada yang sempurna.


Yang masalah adalah SIKAP PETINGGI toyota yang sering main curang, permainkan HUKUM, menghindar, sembunyikan bukti, abaikan hukum, permainkan recall, permainkan hukum. Belum masalah kasus mereka yang permainkan recall demi HEMAT US$100 juta lebih.


Nissan, Honda, Hyundai dan merek lain mana begitu ? Ngerti ? Bukan problem yang bikin orang sewot tapi SIKAP TIDAK JUJURNYA, SIKAP ABAIKAN HUKUM, SIKAP lebih PENTINGKAN ratusan DOLLAR di banding nyawa orang, dan sikap edan lain toyota.


Kecuali prinsip ajaran lo adalah sikap petinggi toyota gitu bisa di terima ya sudah.


Coba lo pikir, setiap merek ada masalah, TAPI KENAPA cuman toyota yang begitu banyak kasus HUKUM ? Begitu sering di GUGAT di pengadilan ? Dan mereka sendiri terpaksa bayar DENDA BANYAK ? Merek mobil lain mengalami nasip serupa ngak ?


KENAPA ?

Ow gitu ea oom TM... zzoooo semangat skali beberin kayak gitu eah? http://www.majalahtrust.com/fokus/fokus/429.php
Nissan...Nissan....

Di forum sebelah juga.... http://www.avanzaxenia.net/showthread.php?tid=10077

Tak ada gading yang tak retak oom TM... Saya, kami, SMers juga Anda, pasti tak ada yang luput dari salah. Justru masalah Nissan di Indonesia yg lebih banyak ada dibanding masalah Toyota di Indonesia. Kita di Indonesia bung... WAKE UP, okay...?

Anda mau menyorot kasus Toyota di Amrik? Memangnya what da h*ll?? Anda anggota jaksa penuntut yang kalah atau gimana, kok ampe kayak kebakaran jenggot gitu provokasinya??

Open recall ataupun silent recall, bagaimanapun, adalah patut kita syukuri. Masih ada tanggung jawab ATPM.

Bagaimanapun, kasus ini diblow up DAN Anda juga ikut2an blow up, jgn2 juga karena kepentingan menyukseskan GM yang Pontiac nya aja udah bangkrut...hehe...

Dah lah, disini, patut disyukuri, engga terjadi hal kayak gitu.... Dan sangat jarang lah...

[toyotaman]

Tidak perlu balik ke jaman dulu. Seperti yang saya bilang, petinggi pabrik mobil kalau latar belakangnya PENGACARA, MANA BISA bikin elektroniknya BAGUS dan STABIL ?


Lihat sendiri, beda ama pabrik yang bossnya latar belakangnya INSINYUR, seperti boss Nissan, boss Honda, boss VW, boss Peugeot, boss Ford, boss GM etc....Coba mana ada kasus heboh di merek lain ini seperti toyota yang sampai di gugat terus menerus, denda terus....


Lo kalau mau balik ke jaman dulu silahkan. Tapi kalau mau mobil canggih, irit, kencang meskipun penuh dengan elektronik yang STABIL dan ngak seperti toyota gitu sampai bisa accelerasi mendadak MAJU maupun MUNDUR, ya beli aja salah satu dari Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, GM, Ford, VW, dan merek lain banyak kok yang ngak seperti toyota alami gitu banyak masalah serius.

Jadi saat error, muncul kasus accelerasi mendadak. Cuman beda ama komputer, saat sebuah toyota lagi lari gila gitu, tidak bisa di re-boot, dan akibatnya, orang MATI saat tabrakan fatal.

Wah mendingan balik ke jaman injeksi mekanikal atau karbu aja dah, aman! Masih pakai kabel gas... Mending Kijang TOB atau Corolla Twincam deh...

Ga usa bangga2in canggih2an mesin...

[ZombiEE]

Orang yang sudah sering pakai alat elektronic seperti komputer dan HP pasti tau, kadang alat elektronik bisa hang tiba tiba, dan kemudian sesudah di reboot balik normal lagi. Jadi saat habis kejadian hang / error terus lu bawa ke toko computer dan tanya ahlinya " Kok tadi pagi komputer saya hang yah tapi sekarang sesudah di re-boot dah OK lagi ? "


Apakah AHLI komputer pasti bisa lacak masalahnya apa yang bikin hang tadi pagi ? Belum tentu ! Dan coba suruh pakar komputernya coba ulangi kasus hang yang SAMA ama yang di alami konsumennya tadi pagi. Bisa ngak ?


Namanya juga elektronik. Kalau lagi kena bugs atau kasus, sering tidak tinggalkan jejak yang akan bantu lacak masalah kasusnya. Pokoknya udah hang, error, dan sesudah di re-boot dah OK lagi, hampir mustahil mau lacak dan cari penyebab errornya tadi.


Sama seperti toyota. Banyak orang sangat yakin, ini masalah elektronik toyota ada bugsnya atau masalah lain. Jadi saat error, muncul kasus accelerasi mendadak. Cuman beda ama komputer, saat sebuah toyota lagi lari gila gitu, tidak bisa di re-boot, dan akibatnya, orang MATI saat tabrakan fatal.

@FM: uda verifikasi NASA disogok kaga?(Kan biar bang TM bisa tenang)soalnya *sorry oot* di houston space center ada pesan sponsor omega lo...

Oo...berarti NASA "bersih" ya bang:)...cuman agak bego yah mksdnya?

[FortunerMan]

Si Sithlord skrg merasa lebih pinter dari NASA. Ngitung depresiasi aja belon bener

[ZombiEE]

Ooo...ane baru nyadar...dgn argumen bang TM...berarti software engineer toyota bisa jg donk kaga tau kalo software tulisannya bisa hang tanpa sebab, ...ya kan ya kan?ini bkn wa yg nulis loh.....so what is the fuzz is all about?cmiiw....

[DOHC]

numpang ketawa aja dehh...

[pcx]

Hebat ya teknologi mobil sekarang, sampe sampe NASA aja ikut-ikutan melakukan penyelidikan mendalam
Ane pernah baca di kompas dulu, dikatakan bahwa semua mobil masa kini mestinya sudah bisa terbang ke bulan. dikarenakan teknologi mobil masa kini yang jauh2 lebih maju dibanding Apollo tahun 1969.
Dipikir2 bener juga ya, contohnya Drive By Wire mobil masa kini tu mengadopsi Fly By Wire pesawat terbang kan .....cmiiw

[toyotaman]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 22017.html


NASA won't put stamp on Toyota acceleration report


By USA Today
Wednesday, February 9, 2011


Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood unequivocally ruled out electronics as the cause of unintended acceleration incidents in Toyota vehicles yesterday, but the NASA engineers who wrote the report on the subject weren't so sure.


Some safety advocates have linked Toyota's widespread installation of electronic throttle control in the 2000s to increased complaints and incidents involving unintended acceleration.


Not so, said LaHood: "The verdict is in. There is no electronic-based cause for unintended high-speed acceleration in Toyotas. Period."


But in its report, NASA said it is "not realistic" to try to prove Toyota's ETC does not cause unintended acceleration. The report notes that a lack of evidence linking ETC to runaway cars "does not vindicate" Toyota's system.


NASA engineers evaluated the electronic circuitry in Toyota vehicles and analyzed more than 280,000 lines of software code for any potential flaws that could initiate an unintended acceleration incident, DOT says.


Electronic glitches, such as those involving software and electromagnetic interference, or EMI, can be difficult to duplicate, engineering experts say. EMI describes what happens when electrical signals -- from sources as diverse as cell phones, airport radar, even a car's own systems -- wreak havoc with vehicles' electronic controls.


"There are possible electromechanical failures that leave behind no trace and therefore cannot be ascertained after the fact with any certainty," said Mukul Verma, a former top safety expert for General Motors.


Keith Armstrong, a United Kingdom-based EMI and safety design consultant who has testified against automakers in unintended acceleration cases, questions the thoroughness of NASA's report. He said problems including intermittent cable connections or incorrectly torqued-up ground connections are among the problems that could have been missed.


San Francisco-based attorney Todd A. Walburg doesn't think the report hurts any of the 50 unintended-acceleration lawsuits his office filed against Toyota. One lawsuit was filed on behalf of the mother of Tyrene Livingston, a University of Pittsburgh graduate student who died in a 2007 crash in East Pittsburgh while behind the wheel of a Toyota Yaris.


"Regardless of the cause of the unintended acceleration, whether electronic or otherwise, a brake-override system would have prevented each of these incidents. Other vehicles' manufacturers have been utilizing (the systems) for years; Toyota just recently added them," said Walburg, of the firm Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein.


He said the NASA report could help, because it didn't dispute that Toyota vehicles had experienced unintended acceleration, and it recognized the need for a brake-override system.


"These incidents are still happening. I personally will not drive or ride in a Toyota or a Lexus," Walburg said.


At least two other cases have Pittsburgh connections. Attorney David Gorberg alleged in his lawsuit filed in Allegheny County Common Pleas Court that the 2010 Toyota Sequoia he bought for more than $30,000 was "worthless" because of sudden-acceleration problems. Robert Elmes of McMurray alleged he was seriously injured when his Toyota slammed into a steel pole in 2006 because of unintended acceleration.

[VanzMatic]

Singkat aja dari gw:

Bosen gwe baca postingan Loe, om TM, postingan pesan sponsor dari lawyer2 GM yang kalah akibat statement Nasa!

Pasti loe udah disuap ama lawyer GM buat ngeblow kasus Toyota! Toyota menang di Amrik, GM ambruk.

Loe mau bilang gw nuduh eloe disuap lawyer Amrik untuk blow kasus Toyota di trit ini? SILAKAN! SIAPA TAKUT?! Makan lagi tuh tuduhan Eloe ke semua pihak yang elo tuduh makan suap! Noh, MAKAN LAGI TUH tuduhan balik gwe!

Sekian!