samakah arti stasioner, langsam, dan idle?

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samakah arti stasioner, langsam, dan idle?

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maklum nubie.
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Sama saja:)
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stasioner : bahasa indonesia
langsam : diadopsi dr bahasa belanda
idle : bahasa inggris

arti kalimat dalam istilah mekanik : kondisi mesin yg sedang bekerja disaat pedal/tuas gas tidak diinjak/ditarik

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master di atas saya ini sudah menjelaskan secara detail dan lengkap... :frm_salut:
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OOTer di atas saya ini tidak menjelaskan apa2 :upss:
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satwa liar di atas saya ini telah mulai OOT :upss:
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berhubung ada satwa liar...maka tret ini saya lock....supaya gak kabur satwanya........... :upss: :ngacir: :ngacir:
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mohon tret jangan dijadikan ajang OOT..... :upss:
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jalu wrote:stasioner : bahasa indonesia
langsam : diadopsi dr bahasa belanda
idle : bahasa inggris

arti kalimat dalam istilah mekanik : kondisi mesin yg sedang bekerja disaat pedal/tuas gas tidak diinjak/ditarik

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ane tambahkan lagi, Idle posisi mesin bekerja tanpa beban.
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kalo posisi idle tapi AC aktif itu gmn mar....?? kan udah ada beban..?? :roll: :roll:
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Nambahin yg ditanyakan master jalu...

Dari awal mesin dinyalakan bukannya udah dibebani oleh alternator, kipas (yg pake viscous) meskipun idle..? :e-think: :roll:
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nah itu....makanya definisi yg menurut saya lbh logis adalah suatu kondisi mesin yg sedang bekerja pada saat pedal/tuas gas tidak diinjak/ditarik. Jadi menurut saya parameter ada beban atau tidak, itu tidak termasuk pada definisi tsb. CMIIW

contoh : posisi AC hidup, putaran mesin naik tapi itu masih disebut idle, meski istilah spesifiknya = idle-up.....artinya meski rpm lbh tinggi dr kondisi tanpa AC (ada beban) tapi tuas/pedal gas sama2 sedang dlm posisi bebas (tidak diinjak/ditarik). sama2 idle tapi dng rpm yg berbeda

kalo penalaran saya sih kayak gitu... :ungg:
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jadi intinya idle/langsam/stationer itu dalam dua kondisi :
1. idle/langsam/stationer pada saat AC off --> normalnya kan RPM 800-900
2. idle/langsam/stationer pada saat AC on --> normalnya kan RPM 1000

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Berapa rpmnya tergantung mobilnya om.. Kalo mobil2 diesel, land rover series, idlenya bisa di 500 rpm
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gmx wrote:Berapa rpmnya tergantung mobilnya om.. Kalo mobil2 diesel, land rover series, idlenya bisa di 500 rpm
yup, setuju, RPM idle untuk setiap kendaraan memang beda2... :big_peace:
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kalau idle rpm nya mobil F1 berapa ya?
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ilhami wrote:kalau idle rpm nya mobil F1 berapa ya?
kalu ga salah sekitar 4000-5000 Oom ...
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waa itu kalau kijang gigi 1 sekitar 30Kpj. Langsung ngacir donk.
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langsam atau lump sum? :e-think:
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kapsul 97 wrote:
gmx wrote:Berapa rpmnya tergantung mobilnya om.. Kalo mobil2 diesel, land rover series, idlenya bisa di 500 rpm
yup, setuju, RPM idle untuk setiap kendaraan memang beda2... :big_peace:
yang bikin beda itu karena jumlah silinder, total volume silinder, atau volume per silinder?
atau ada hal lain yang bikin beda? :e-think:
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maskopat wrote:
kapsul 97 wrote:
gmx wrote:Berapa rpmnya tergantung mobilnya om.. Kalo mobil2 diesel, land rover series, idlenya bisa di 500 rpm
yup, setuju, RPM idle untuk setiap kendaraan memang beda2... :big_peace:
yang bikin beda itu karena jumlah silinder, total volume silinder, atau volume per silinder?
atau ada hal lain yang bikin beda? :e-think:
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tergantung baut setelannya sih ... :ngacir:
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jadi boleh dong RPM idle dibikin ke 250? :e-think:
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maskopat wrote:langsam atau lump sum? :e-think:
stasioner atau stasioneri.... :upss:
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ilhami wrote:
maskopat wrote:
kapsul 97 wrote:yup, setuju, RPM idle untuk setiap kendaraan memang beda2... :big_peace:
yang bikin beda itu karena jumlah silinder, total volume silinder, atau volume per silinder?
atau ada hal lain yang bikin beda? :e-think:
:thanks:
tergantung baut setelannya sih ... :ngacir:
mesin injeksi skrg udah gak ada baut stelannya pak..... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
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maskopat wrote:jadi boleh dong RPM idle dibikin ke 250? :e-think:
jadi boleh dong RPM idle dibikin ke 250? :e-think:
ya tergantung, kalo mesin diesel 1 silinder yang buat traktor ato giling padi ya rata2 segitu,
tapi kalo mesin 1500 cc bensin dengan bore x stroke yang mendekati square ya gak mungkin, paling mati.

idle tergantung jenis mesin (gasoline ato diesel), stroke, kapasitas dan karakter engine (bobot kruk as, ukuran katup, durasi n lift katup).
makin panjang stroke, makin rendah idle. makin pendek stroke, makin tinggi idle.
makin kecil katup, makin rendah idle, makin besar katup, makin tinggi idle.
makin lama durasi n makin tinggi lift katup, idle makin tinggi. makin pendek durasi n rendah lift katup, makin rendah idle nya.

umumnya mesin diesel lebih rendah idlenya karena memiliki karakter mesin yang bertorsi (kruk as dibuat lebih berat agar mampu melakukan langkah kompresi yang lebih tinggi). dan juga proses pembakaran compression ignition yang lebih bagus buat putaran rendah dibandingkan gasoline engine.

gasoline engine harus memiliki flow dan gas speed yang cukup untuk mencampur bbm + udara menjadi homogen agar pembakaran bagus. so putaran mesin pun menjadi lebih tinggi.

sementara diesel, pembakaran bagus dapat tercapai pada rpm rendah asal udara cukup (meski flow kurang), dan memiliki temperatur yang memadai (ketika dikompresi) serta pengabutan injektor bagus.
justru saat mesin berputar tinggi, mesin diesel kesulitan, karena untuk membakar solar diperlukan waktu yang lebih lama. jadi mesin diesel range kerjanya lebih sempit. 3000 rpm aja sudah termasuk tinggi. 4000 rpm dh ngos2an, tapi torsinya bagus, buat narik beban berat rpm 1000 aja dah kuat.