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m4rio wrote:kalo menurut ane mah beda lah broo.... antara lampu senja, lampu head lamp....

tapi kalo dipakein relay yang sesuai dengan cara ane bilang di atas itu, kyknya sih bisa...
Brarti posisi relay dalam rangkaian kan setelah percabangan ke lampu led kan?
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aburaza wrote:
m4rio wrote:kalo menurut ane mah beda lah broo.... antara lampu senja, lampu head lamp....

tapi kalo dipakein relay yang sesuai dengan cara ane bilang di atas itu, kyknya sih bisa...
Brarti posisi relay dalam rangkaian kan setelah percabangan ke lampu led kan?

tunggu tunggu....
broo rangkaian yang ane mksd itu bearti soket lampu senja yang lama itu di putus ya, dipindahin ke rangkaian baru, jadi kabel lampu senja yang LAMA lgsg masuk ke LED... bener gk nih persepsi ane???

kalo bener, bearti pencabangannya menurut ane sebelom kabel keluaran LED.
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:frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: .........
tadi ane udah tulis panjang lebar, tp kok menghilang ya...................
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sjamsul wrote::frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: .........
tadi ane udah tulis panjang lebar, tp kok menghilang ya...................
diulang lah prop... DC kali tadi tuh koneksinya...
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aburaza wrote: Masih standard om.
Btw kalo dicabang aja trus dikasih resistor gimana?
seperti led kan tegangan sama2 12v, trus dikasih resistor biar arusnya gak kegedean.

Masud om sjam membebani tuh maksudnya ngefek ke headlamp jadi redup ya?
ga usah pake resistor bro, langsung aja dicabangin...... beres deh.......

bukan............ head lamp redup banyak sebabnya, salah satunya kurang masa atau ground ...........

Nah, yg perlu diperhatikan saat pencabangan di mbl nt adalah perhatikan arus mana yg stand by di soket lampunya (soket lampu utama / head lamp )......jadi saat nyalain lampu jauh atau deket, arus tsb tetep ada........ misalkan stand by nya arus positip..... setelah itu di lampu senjanya tinggal dikasih arus negatip............. beres deh........... so simple khannnnn.......


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m4rio wrote:
sjamsul wrote::frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: .........
tadi ane udah tulis panjang lebar, tp kok menghilang ya...................
diulang lah prop... DC kali tadi tuh koneksinya...
udah mar.......... DC itu apa ya........ :e-think: ....

btw kemaren nt makan nasud ama siapa ya................. hayoooooooooo ngaku................... ane duduk di sebelah nt, trus ane panggil2, tp nt cuekin ane......... hiksssss.........


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sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:
sjamsul wrote::frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: .........
tadi ane udah tulis panjang lebar, tp kok menghilang ya...................
diulang lah prop... DC kali tadi tuh koneksinya...
udah mar.......... DC itu apa ya........ :e-think: ....

btw kemaren nt makan nasud ama siapa ya................. hayoooooooooo ngaku................... ane duduk di sebelah nt, trus ane panggil2, tp nt cuekin ane......... hiksssss.........


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wuahduu.. masa ada ente broo pas mkn itu???? gk liat ah ane.......... ane gk denger prop ente manggil, jadinya gk tau, bukan mksd hati buat nyuekin prop nih.......

gmn broo yahud kan yg di sebelah ane?????????? :big_smoking: sayangnya itu cuman temen aja. hiks, hiks, hiks, hiks....... ane ma temen ane itu habis dari bengkel, mobil dia mau dimasukin asuransi, jadi ane kenalin bengkel langganan ane, surh org bengkel urusin daftar asuransi, gitu lohh prop..
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m4rio wrote:
aburaza wrote:
m4rio wrote:kalo menurut ane mah beda lah broo.... antara lampu senja, lampu head lamp....

tapi kalo dipakein relay yang sesuai dengan cara ane bilang di atas itu, kyknya sih bisa...
Brarti posisi relay dalam rangkaian kan setelah percabangan ke lampu led kan?

tunggu tunggu....
broo rangkaian yang ane mksd itu bearti soket lampu senja yang lama itu di putus ya, dipindahin ke rangkaian baru, jadi kabel lampu senja yang LAMA lgsg masuk ke LED... bener gk nih persepsi ane???

kalo bener, bearti pencabangannya menurut ane sebelom kabel keluaran LED.

Ooo... jadi kabel senja (yg lama) masuk ke led. trus dibuat cabang dari kabel tersebut buat bohlam senja yang mampir dulu ke relay. betul gak?
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@ aburaza : betul broo.. tapi masukin ke relaynya yg posisi switch ya, jgn posisi kumparan.
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m4rio wrote:
sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:
diulang lah prop... DC kali tadi tuh koneksinya...
udah mar.......... DC itu apa ya........ :e-think: ....

btw kemaren nt makan nasud ama siapa ya................. hayoooooooooo ngaku................... ane duduk di sebelah nt, trus ane panggil2, tp nt cuekin ane......... hiksssss.........


:ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir: ...........

wuahduu.. masa ada ente broo pas mkn itu???? gk liat ah ane.......... ane gk denger prop ente manggil, jadinya gk tau, bukan mksd hati buat nyuekin prop nih.......

gmn broo yahud kan yg di sebelah ane?????????? :big_smoking: sayangnya itu cuman temen aja. hiks, hiks, hiks, hiks....... ane ma temen ane itu habis dari bengkel, mobil dia mau dimasukin asuransi, jadi ane kenalin bengkel langganan ane, surh org bengkel urusin daftar asuransi, gitu lohh prop..
tentu aja nt ga denger, krn ane panggilnya cuma dlm ati ajah...... jadi ga kedengeran............. wakakakaka........
tp beneran loh..... dik mario klo udah duduk ama nyang alus2....... lupaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ama sekeliling..................... :frm_bang_head:

boleh juga sih................udahhhh ga usah pake nangis2 segala, ntar tampang nt nyang udah pas2an jadi tambah gimanaaaaa gituuuuuuuuuuuu.....................wakakakakaka........... :upss:
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sjamsul wrote:
aburaza wrote: Masih standard om.
Btw kalo dicabang aja trus dikasih resistor gimana?
seperti led kan tegangan sama2 12v, trus dikasih resistor biar arusnya gak kegedean.

Masud om sjam membebani tuh maksudnya ngefek ke headlamp jadi redup ya?
ga usah pake resistor bro, langsung aja dicabangin...... beres deh.......

bukan............ head lamp redup banyak sebabnya, salah satunya kurang masa atau ground ...........

Nah, yg perlu diperhatikan saat pencabangan di mbl nt adalah perhatikan arus mana yg stand by di soket lampunya (soket lampu utama / head lamp )......jadi saat nyalain lampu jauh atau deket, arus tsb tetep ada........ misalkan stand by nya arus positip..... setelah itu di lampu senjanya tinggal dikasih arus negatip............. beres deh........... so simple khannnnn.......


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Brarti gak usah pake relay? :e-doh:
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m4rio wrote:@ aburaza : betul broo.. tapi masukin ke relaynya yg posisi switch ya, jgn posisi kumparan.
salahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................. ntar nyalanye ga seperti yg beliau mau lohhhhh.................... :frm_bang_head: ....
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sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:@ aburaza : betul broo.. tapi masukin ke relaynya yg posisi switch ya, jgn posisi kumparan.
salahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................. ntar nyalanye ga seperti yg beliau mau lohhhhh.................... :frm_bang_head: ....

kok salah prop????
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aburaza wrote: Brarti gak usah pake relay? :e-doh:
betul................krn beban lampu senja itu relatip kecil, yaitu 2 X 5 watt = 10 watt.......jadi ga usah pake relay pun ga masalah......... tinggal nt perhatikan tulisan ane aja di atas..........
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m4rio wrote:
sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:@ aburaza : betul broo.. tapi masukin ke relaynya yg posisi switch ya, jgn posisi kumparan.
salahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................. ntar nyalanye ga seperti yg beliau mau lohhhhh.................... :frm_bang_head: ....

kok salah prop????
iya salah............. beliau khan maunya itu lampu senja buat nyalain led, sedangkan lampu senja aslinye nyala saat lampu utama dinyalakan.............. klo nt kasih saran tsb, yg ada adalah lampu senja nyalanye barengan ama lampu led............... hayoooooo........
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prop... masa gk pake relay????? kalo ambil arus lgsg dari kabel stand by arus head lamp lgsg masuk ke lampu senja gpp tuh ya??? gk kegedean tuh arusnya?
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m4rio wrote:
sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:@ aburaza : betul broo.. tapi masukin ke relaynya yg posisi switch ya, jgn posisi kumparan.
salahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................. ntar nyalanye ga seperti yg beliau mau lohhhhh.................... :frm_bang_head: ....

kok salah prop????
kayaknya menurut prop, pas tuas senja ON, gak ada yg nyala.
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aburaza wrote: Brarti gak usah pake relay? :e-doh:
betul................krn beban lampu senja itu relatip kecil, yaitu 2 X 5 watt = 10 watt.......jadi ga usah pake relay pun ga masalah......... tinggal nt perhatikan tulisan ane aja di atas..........
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@ sjamsul : lah gk salah donk rangkaian yg ane kasih.. kan pas lampu senja nyala kabel lampu senja lgsg masuk ke LED ( LED nyala ) dan di cabang lgi masuk ke switch relay ( lampu senja OFF ).
nah kumparan Relay di aktifin pake arus head lamp.. nah begitu head lamp nyala kumparan aktif, narik switch relay nah arus cabangan dari kabel lampu senja ngalir ke switch masuk ke lampu senja ( lampu senja ON ).
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sjamsul wrote: iya salah............. beliau khan maunya itu lampu senja buat nyalain led, sedangkan lampu senja aslinye nyala saat lampu utama dinyalakan.............. klo nt kasih saran tsb, yg ada adalah lampu senja nyalanye barengan ama lampu led............... hayoooooo........

Halah, ternyata saya jg salah analisa........ :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
Tp beneran prof arus listriknya pinter?alias bisa ngatur besar kecilnya terhadap lampu?
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m4rio wrote:prop... masa gk pake relay????? kalo ambil arus lgsg dari kabel stand by arus head lamp lgsg masuk ke lampu senja gpp tuh ya??? gk kegedean tuh arusnya?
duhhhhhhhhhhhhh gemana seh nt............ arus gede itu klo bebannya gede, jadi pake kabel yg gede juga.......... tp klo bebannya kecil, mk arus yg dipake juga kecil.............

ane kasih contoh ya....... misalkan listrik di rumah nt kapasitasnye 5000 watt, trus nt mau pasang lampu pijar yg 25 watt...........nah, menurut nt gimana.... apakah di lampu pijar harus ditambahkan resistor ?.......
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sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:prop... masa gk pake relay????? kalo ambil arus lgsg dari kabel stand by arus head lamp lgsg masuk ke lampu senja gpp tuh ya??? gk kegedean tuh arusnya?
duhhhhhhhhhhhhh gemana seh nt............ arus gede itu klo bebannya gede, jadi pake kabel yg gede juga.......... tp klo bebannya kecil, mk arus yg dipake juga kecil.............

ane kasih contoh ya....... misalkan listrik di rumah nt kapasitasnye 5000 watt, trus nt mau pasang lampu pijar yg 25 watt...........nah, menurut nt gimana.... apakah di lampu pijar harus ditambahkan resistor ?.......
ahh iya.. sip sip
kalo yang rangkaian ane kenapa salah prop????
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sjamsul wrote:
m4rio wrote:prop... masa gk pake relay????? kalo ambil arus lgsg dari kabel stand by arus head lamp lgsg masuk ke lampu senja gpp tuh ya??? gk kegedean tuh arusnya?
duhhhhhhhhhhhhh gemana seh nt............ arus gede itu klo bebannya gede, jadi pake kabel yg gede juga.......... tp klo bebannya kecil, mk arus yg dipake juga kecil.............

ane kasih contoh ya....... misalkan listrik di rumah nt kapasitasnye 5000 watt, trus nt mau pasang lampu pijar yg 25 watt...........nah, menurut nt gimana.... apakah di lampu pijar harus ditambahkan resistor ?.......
kalo buat rumah sih ya gk usah..

prop.. kalo buat ngerangkai rangkaian LED di PCB, kyknya tetep harus pake resistor deh... coba ja rangkai LED tanpa resistor...
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Sebelum persengketaan antara om sjamsul dg om m4rio berlanjut, kayaknya kita tunggu hasilnya dulu dari alternatip yg ada.
pertama, ikut dulu saran om sjamsul (yg paling simpel), kabel senja pindah ke led, utk bohlam senja lama nyabang dari headlamp.
kedua, jika cara pertama gagal (senja lama gak nyala/redup/njeblug....nauzubillah :off_no: ), kita ikuti saran om m4rio.

Masalahnya sekarang masih nunggu kiriman headlamp sama lednya...hehehe
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sip sip sip sip.... ane mah kalo salah ya gpp. namanya juga masih belajar.... kalo prop sjamsul mah udah level tinggi di bidang kelistrikan mobil... ya gk prop????? :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
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aburaza wrote:
sjamsul wrote: iya salah............. beliau khan maunya itu lampu senja buat nyalain led, sedangkan lampu senja aslinye nyala saat lampu utama dinyalakan.............. klo nt kasih saran tsb, yg ada adalah lampu senja nyalanye barengan ama lampu led............... hayoooooo........

Halah, ternyata saya jg salah analisa........ :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:
Tp beneran prof arus listriknya pinter?alias bisa ngatur besar kecilnya terhadap lampu?
bukan arus listriknye yg pinter, tp kitanya yg mengaturnya........gimana melihat beban yg dipake...... dlm hal ini kapasitas kabel buat head lamp itu cukup besar, yaitu bisa tahan untuk memberikan beban sebanyak 55 w dikali 2 yaitu 110 watt untuk lampu deket, sedangkan buat lampu jauh 2 dikali 60 watt = 120 watt............... nah, klo ditambahkan beban yg cuma 10 watt aja, mk ga akan berpengaruh atau msh dlm tingkat yang aman............ lain halnya klo lampu senja yg kapasitas kabelnya cuma untuk menggerakkan beban yg 10 watt, trus dipake buat menggerakkan fog lamp (misalkan), mk harus ditambahkan relay, yg arus utamanya diambil dari aki...........

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