[WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?

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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote:
mandala1 wrote:Emang mitsu ada yg nyaman geetooooh??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
ada dunk... :e-whistle: :e-whistle:
siap2 gih.. ipah dan fortie akan ditinggalkan... :big_weee:
Mitsu apaan tuh yg nyame? eh...nyaman? :mrgreen:

Yaaa.....ya......ane sadar koq, innova n fortuner bakal ditinggalin sama yg duid nya pas2an...... :e-whistle:
yang jelas nih sekarang, istri ane kagak mau pake boyota baru.. kursinya gak enak..
masih enakan pake mitikus jadoel.. nyaman.. duduk di kursi, dalam 5 menit istri ane dah merem...
coba di boyota baru... mual2... nyaman mana???? :big_weee:
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mandala1 wrote:
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zweifellos wrote: ngapain om kopat ngomongin nyaman di 150 kpj. emang toyota ada yang bisa nyampe 150 kpj gitu? :mrgreen:
itu dia pointnya om zwei.. mantep bener... :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
Oowww.......ga tau juga sih yee kalo lagi ngomongin toyota tua bangka, kalo toyota2 yg baru sih... sebentar ajah kalo cuman mau lari 150 kpj sih...... :e-whistle:
mau ngomong boyota lama vs mitikus lama???
DX vs SL???
ntuh DX top banget dah... emang jagonya drifting.. di u-turn, cepet dikit langsung geser tuh ke-empat rodanya... lom lagi kecepatan sedang, sekitar 80kpj.. kayak naek perahu yang lagi berlayar di ombak kenceng...
per belakangnya aja masih daoen.. shock breakernya masih oli...

apa lagi? hiace vs elsape? mana ntuh sekarang hiace? udah jadi rumpon kali sekarang...

kijang, yah ane akuin mitikus gak ada yang kayak gini nih... kita ngomong jadoel yah.. tahun 80-an..
orang bilang kuda gak laku, coba aja ente lihat di jalanan, lumayan banyak kuda berkeliaran.. apalagi di sumbawa.. wuih, banyak bener.. susunya aja bermanfaat.. susu kuda liar.. :upss: :upss:
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@hahaha

yah..ga semua org kayak istri loe jg kali..kan beda beda..hahaha..ada ada aja..
ada jg yg naik jaguar malah betah naek katana...beda2 lah..
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maskopat wrote: yah, mobil mitsu mah emang gak pernah bosenin lihatnya... kalo boyota mah.. ada aja design yang nyeleneh... ngikut2 merk lain.. :e-snooty: :e-snooty:
xtrail pake speedo di tengah, vios dan yaris ikut2an..
design2 exterior juga ngikut2 mobil eropa... :e-doh: :e-doh:

jati diri boyota tuh: nyaman, durable, boyot, limbung... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
jati diri mitikusbusi: kenceng, bantingan keras, tenaga kenceng, stabil.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

kalo masalah nyaman, oke lah suspensi boyota lebih empuk.. tapi kalo kursi, enakan mitikus lah.. ergonomis, nyaman... serasa dipeluk..
belum lagi driving experience.. jaooh dah mitikus ninggalin boyota.. bahkan di lexus IS pun ane pernah baca di majalah apa gitu, driving experiencenya masih kalah dengan merk lain..
Ngga ngebosenin karena emang modelnya gitu2 mulu, ga ada improvisasi sama sekali, jadi yah apa yg bisa dibedain antara mobil tuwir n mobil baru :D yaaa.....sebetulnya sama sih antara produsen n konsumen mitsu, sama2 terbatas dana nya......produsen ga cukup duid buat R&D, konsumen ga cukup duid buat ngikutin trend model baru :big_peace:

Masalah boyo, pan ane udah sering bilang.... lagi pade ngomongin mobil taon brp sih? Ane ga ngerti kalo sama mobil tua bangka yg pada ga bisa lari...... Kalo masalah nyaman sih ga usah diomong deh, toyota tetep nomer wahid kalo soal ini :D
Lagipula kalo mau kenceng2an mah tanggung amat kalo cuma pake mitsu? Hehehe.......kayak ga ada yg jual mobil sport beneran ajah? :mrgreen:
Ngomongin Lexus yah? Yg pasti kelasnya beda jauh sama mitsu.....ga usah dibanding2in lah.....ntar malu sendiri :upss:
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roadtrain99 wrote:@hahaha

yah..ga semua org kayak istri loe jg kali..kan beda beda..hahaha..ada ada aja..
ada jg yg naik jaguar malah betah naek katana...beda2 lah..
ya iya lah om.. jaguar kan bisa gigit... kalo katana kan kagak... :big_peace: :big_peace:
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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote: yah, mobil mitsu mah emang gak pernah bosenin lihatnya... kalo boyota mah.. ada aja design yang nyeleneh... ngikut2 merk lain.. :e-snooty: :e-snooty:
xtrail pake speedo di tengah, vios dan yaris ikut2an..
design2 exterior juga ngikut2 mobil eropa... :e-doh: :e-doh:

jati diri boyota tuh: nyaman, durable, boyot, limbung... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
jati diri mitikusbusi: kenceng, bantingan keras, tenaga kenceng, stabil.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

kalo masalah nyaman, oke lah suspensi boyota lebih empuk.. tapi kalo kursi, enakan mitikus lah.. ergonomis, nyaman... serasa dipeluk..
belum lagi driving experience.. jaooh dah mitikus ninggalin boyota.. bahkan di lexus IS pun ane pernah baca di majalah apa gitu, driving experiencenya masih kalah dengan merk lain..
Ngga ngebosenin karena emang modelnya gitu2 mulu, ga ada improvisasi sama sekali, jadi yah apa yg bisa dibedain antara mobil tuwir n mobil baru :D yaaa.....sebetulnya sama sih antara produsen n konsumen mitsu, sama2 terbatas dana nya......produsen ga cukup duid buat R&D, konsumen ga cukup duid buat ngikutin trend model baru :big_peace:

Masalah boyo, pan ane udah sering bilang.... lagi pade ngomongin mobil taon brp sih? Ane ga ngerti kalo sama mobil tua bangka yg pada ga bisa lari...... Kalo masalah nyaman sih ga usah diomong deh, toyota tetep nomer wahid kalo soal ini :D
Lagipula kalo mau kenceng2an mah tanggung amat kalo cuma pake mitsu? Hehehe.......kayak ga ada yg jual mobil sport beneran ajah? :mrgreen:
Ngomongin Lexus yah? Yg pasti kelasnya beda jauh sama mitsu.....ga usah dibanding2in lah.....ntar malu sendiri :upss:
yang sekarang juga boleh... boyota lebih boyo daripada merk sebelah dengan kelas dan level yang sama... :big_peace: :big_peace:

mau mobil sport apaan om? udah buka belum link youtube yang ane kasih itu?? gimana evo VIII mempecundangi lembu murcileago???? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

yee.. kan ane ngomonging driving experience... emang kalo mewah dan nyaman jaoh lah mitikus dibanding lexus... tapi driving experiencenya yang masih agak2 gimana gitu... ane juga lupa... nanti deh ane lihat majalahnya... :mrgreen:
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maskopat wrote: yang jelas nih sekarang, istri ane kagak mau pake boyota baru.. kursinya gak enak..
masih enakan pake mitikus jadoel.. nyaman.. duduk di kursi, dalam 5 menit istri ane dah merem...
coba di boyota baru... mual2... nyaman mana???? :big_weee:
Wekekekeke........jadi skr yg jadi acuan nya bini ente yah? :mrgreen:
Tenang sob, ane kaga bakal ngajak bini ente jalan2 pake toyota baru ane..... :big_weee:
Hmmmm..........atau jangan2 bini ente nih profesional reviewers yah? :e-think: ..... :ngacir:
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roadtrain99 wrote:@hahaha

yah..ga semua org kayak istri loe jg kali..kan beda beda..hahaha..ada ada aja..
ada jg yg naik jaguar malah betah naek katana...beda2 lah..
Hmmm......kalo itu sih berarti tergantung cowo yg nyupirin nya.....
biarpun biasa diajak lakinya naek jaguar, trus diajak naek katana sama cowok yg lebih ganteng sih......betah2 ajah..... :big_slap:

Wakakakakak........ :ngacir: :ngacir:
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maskopat wrote: yang sekarang juga boleh... boyota lebih boyo daripada merk sebelah dengan kelas dan level yang sama... :big_peace: :big_peace:

mau mobil sport apaan om? udah buka belum link youtube yang ane kasih itu?? gimana evo VIII mempecundangi lembu murcileago???? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

yee.. kan ane ngomonging driving experience... emang kalo mewah dan nyaman jaoh lah mitikus dibanding lexus... tapi driving experiencenya yang masih agak2 gimana gitu... ane juga lupa... nanti deh ane lihat majalahnya... :mrgreen:
Toyota lebih boyo dari mitsubishi? Contohnya please....... :)

Kayaknya dari mitsu yg bisa dibanggain cuma epo doang kali yeeee......itu2 mulu yg disebut :mrgreen: baru cuma menang sekali ajah udah bangga nya seumur hidup,, kenyataannya kalo ada 2 mobil parkir 1 lambo 1 lagi epo.....dah pasti orang juga ngeliriknya ke lambo....ngeliat epo mah bosen modelnya kayak lancer doang :upss:

Ngomongin Lexus lagi? Plese deh ah.....itu bos2 buncit yg beli Lexus itu bukan buat disetirin sendiri, tapi buat duduk manis dan nyaman di kursi belakang.....sambil menikmati ayunan lembut suspensinya dan menikmati pijitan ala siatshu yg dibalut kulit asli yg lembut.... Hmmm.....what the hell with driving experience.....itu urusan sopir!
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mandala1 wrote:
roadtrain99 wrote:@hahaha

yah..ga semua org kayak istri loe jg kali..kan beda beda..hahaha..ada ada aja..
ada jg yg naik jaguar malah betah naek katana...beda2 lah..
Hmmm......kalo itu sih berarti tergantung cowo yg nyupirin nya.....
biarpun biasa diajak lakinya naek jaguar, trus diajak naek katana sama cowok yg lebih ganteng sih......betah2 ajah..... :big_slap:

Wakakakakak........ :ngacir: :ngacir:
nah, itu die om dal... kalo ganteng mah, naek delman juga nyaman2 aja... dibanding naek mercy tapi gimana gitu...... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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mandala1 wrote: Toyota lebih boyo dari mitsubishi? Contohnya please....... :)

Kayaknya dari mitsu yg bisa dibanggain cuma epo doang kali yeeee......itu2 mulu yg disebut :mrgreen: baru cuma menang sekali ajah udah bangga nya seumur hidup,, kenyataannya kalo ada 2 mobil parkir 1 lambo 1 lagi epo.....dah pasti orang juga ngeliriknya ke lambo....ngeliat epo mah bosen modelnya kayak lancer doang :upss:

Ngomongin Lexus lagi? Plese deh ah.....itu bos2 buncit yg beli Lexus itu bukan buat disetirin sendiri, tapi buat duduk manis dan nyaman di kursi belakang.....sambil menikmati ayunan lembut suspensinya dan menikmati pijitan ala siatshu yg dibalut kulit asli yg lembut.... Hmmm.....what the hell with driving experience.....itu urusan sopir!
yee.. pan ane ngomongin yang mobil sportnya.. kalo gak salah yang IS deh.. lupa ane...
moso mobil sport pake supir... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

btw om dal, ente kayaknya cocok deh pake lexus LS... bungkus deh tuh.. :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
ane kalo lihat LS di jalan, langsung kebayang om2 buncit kayak ente gitu di belakangnya... ane di belakang aja ngawal pake epo... :upss: :upss:
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hehe..mari kita btt lagi..

terpaksa pinjem review org, abis owner everest jarang mampir di sm.
http://www.bigbigcar.com/ReviewArticle.aspx?id=25 wrote: Review: Ford Everest XLS 2.5 TDCi 4x2

Okay, it beats the Toyota Fortuner.

WORDS Marvin Tan PHOTOS Marvin Tan | 21 March 2008 CLICK ON PHOTOS TO OPEN PHOTO GALLERY

Why do people buy big SUVs?

I’ve spent almost three years in automotive market research and respondents in my surveys and focus groups invariably give these answers:

a) big SUVs mean big brassy balls of machismo;
b) big SUVs offer safety and security;
c) big SUVs are versatile, i.e. they can swallow the whole clan and all of their luggage;
d) big SUVs are great for driving to far-off places, especially if the roads aren’t sealed with Lafarge cement;
e) big SUVs are in a better position to conquer floodwater

So there you go. Now the question is, does Ford’s new Everest have what it takes to make it big in the realm of big trucks?

First impressions suggest yes. This big truck is skinned in stylishly minimalist sheetmetal from the classic cubist school of SUV design. None of that silly ‘flame surfacing’ and melted-chocolate styling. Just an honest-to-goodness square-jawed face and chiseled features and a gaping mouth that’s ready to swallow lesser cars on the road. Never mind that it looks practically indistinguishable from the old Everest from the A-pillar backward, just think of it as a more modern reinterpretation of the original concept. This is a good-looking truck. It’s not as flamboyant as a Fortuner, but since there are 1,934,285 Fortuners in Metro Manila alone, the Everest is a refreshing sight. Point (a), check.

This is one whopper of an SUV: 5,009 mm (197.2 in) long, 1,835 mm (72.2 in) high and 1,843 kg (4,063 lb) heavy. That, folks, is 12.4 inches longer than a Toyota Fortuner. And like the Toyota, the Everest has seats for seven, or eight if you don’t mind sardine-can accommodation. Space is quite adequate, although the Everest would feel much more spacious and comfortable if the seats were raised a few inches. As it is, thigh support can be lacking for taller folks in all seats, and there’s not much footroom under the front seats. Up front, the voluminous transmission tunnel intrudes on legroom somewhat. At the way-back, adults will be eating their knees for the whole trip. So oddly, the Fortuner feels more comfortable inside even if it is much shorter. Nonetheless, that’s point (c) taken care of.

Bulk and weight are advantages in case of a crash with another vehicle. With dual front airbags, ABS and a limited-slip differential as standard equipment, and not to mention the top-of-the-world view, that’s point (b) ticked off too.

Underneath the skin, the Everest drives on the old-school Ford Ranger truck chassis, complete with a separate ladder frame and a leaf-sprung live rear axle. If you’re not sure what that meant, it simply means that the Everest has tough dinosaur bones underneath. So whereas say a Suzuki Alto sounds like it’s going to fall apart when traversing a pothole, the Everest will just grit its teeth and shrug it off like Manny Pacquiao. Driving the Everest feels like driving a tank. You feel invincible. You feel unstoppable. You feel like you have mastered The Secret. Point (d) and (e), no problem.

So is the Everest, then, the perfect big SUV?

Yes and no.
Let me explain.

Where the Everest falls short of satisfaction is in driving dynamics. It’s a big, heavy SUV, and its driver will never forget that. It feels large and cumbersome on the road. The steering has a wide and vacant feel on-center. Turns are no fun with this truck, and there’s just no point in pushing this behemoth in corners except to teach a kid what understeer is. And stepping on the brake pedal may as well be stepping on a marshmallow.

And then we come to my largest gripe with this particular Everest, which is a 2.5-liter rear-wheel-drive variant with the five-speed automatic transmission. It feels slow. Really slow. Glacially slow. It feels slow-witted. The engine feels like it’s laboring with a massive load.

The thing is, it only feels slow, because according to the GPS timer, it’s not really underpowered at all. 100 kph from a standstill is done in 14.6 seconds, which isn’t really all that bad as lumbering diesel-powered SUVs go. Overtaking could be a daunting prospect with a 60-100 kph time of 8.8 seconds, but passing power never really was a strong point for diesel trucks anyway.

All the while I was driving the Everest 2.5 TDCi, I was not aware of how much power it was making, but I guessed it was somewhere in the vicinity of 102 hp like the Toyota Fortuner 2.5 makes. Only after I had returned the truck to Ford did I look up the output ratings, and I was genuinely astonished to find that it, in fact, made 141 hp and 330 Nm (243 lb-ft) of torque and that this Duratorq engine hails from the same family as the potent turbodiesel in the Ford Focus TDCi. These are respectable numbers, all things considered. Yet the Everest 2.5 felt like the Big Engine That Couldn’t. On the highway, the big Ford felt like it was struggling to maintain 100 kph, since it demanded heavy, tiresome pressure on the accelerator pedal.

The problem is the throttle response is so tardy. Some calibration of the electronic throttle or the automatic transmission or both may be in order.

Here’s the thing though. Driving dynamics is just not among the top five answers on why people buy big SUVs. In fact, it’s quite rare for survey respondents to cite poor driving dynamics as a reason for not buying a particular model of vehicle.

What could be of greater concern is the harsh, busy ride, something that also afflicts the Everest’s stiff competitor from brand T. But weirdly, the Everest also feels floaty at the same time. There is some body roll in cornering, and the truck's nose pitches considerably when accelerating or braking hard. It feels like the springs are soft but the shock absorbers are rock hard.

So that said, there’s otherwise a lot to like about the Ford Everest. For starters, it looks good inside and out, and my non-car-type friends complimented the styling. The interior is nicely done, with plastics that aren’t so bad and a cheerful color scheme that while likely to get easily soiled adds up to an upscale ambiance. There are a few niggles, including the archaic pull-and-twist parking brake lever and the fact that the position indicators on the gearshift lever are on the wrong side. The one-piece third-row seat also lacks headrests (but at least there are three-point seatbelts) and since it doesn’t fold flat into the floor or fold out of the way as in the Fortuner, there’s not much flexibility when you need to carry something really big.

But there are also some nice touches, like the leather-wrapped wheel, the illuminated cubbyhole in front of the shifter, the knick-knacks bin on top of the dashboard, the overhead aircon vents at the rear, the cupholders at the third-row seat and the dual overhead sunglasses holders. Access to the third-row seat isn’t bad. With the third-row folded against the second-row seatbacks, the cargo bay can swallow everything you throw into it. At night, the green lighting of the gauge needles make them look like Yoda’s lightsabers. Two friends thought the silver-painted trim on the dashboard was cheap, but on the whole, this interior puts the Toyota Fortuner’s Legoland interior to shame.

And while the engine and drivetrain gets raspberries for lethargic response, it at least delivers respectable fuel economy for a big SUV: 9.65 km per liter in mixed city and highway driving, about 11 km per liter on the highway, and sevens in the city. Not bad at all.

Fortunately, there could be an easy cure to the lethargic engine, and that is to pony up for the 4WD XLT edition of the Everest, which comes with the 3.0-liter turbodiesel with 154 hp and an almighty 380 Nm (280 lb-ft) of torque. All it takes is, ah, a bit more money.

I would bet that typical large-SUV buyers will be quite pleased with the Everest and will find that it checks most of the boxes on their checklists. It’s big, it looks nice, it’s plenty macho and it’s indestructible.

So on to the million-dollar question: Would I buy this over the Toyota Fortuner, if I were on the market for a big SUV?
THE GOOD
Uptown styling, spacious and inviting interior, tough-as-nails truck chassis, standard limited-slip differential aids traction in slippery conditions
THE BAD
Rather dull and tiresome to drive, lethargic throttle response, tough-as-nails ride quality
THE LOWDOWN
A handsome and versatile truck for those who insist they need a truck and are willing to live with a few truck niggles.


You know, I most probably would. I do think this is a better truck than Toyota’s bestseller. The Fortuner’s horrendously cheap interior just puts me off.

Though truth to tell, I’d much rather have the astonishing Ford Focus turbodiesel.
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maskopat wrote: mau ngomong boyota lama vs mitikus lama???
DX vs SL???
ntuh DX top banget dah... emang jagonya drifting.. di u-turn, cepet dikit langsung geser tuh ke-empat rodanya... lom lagi kecepatan sedang, sekitar 80kpj.. kayak naek perahu yang lagi berlayar di ombak kenceng...
per belakangnya aja masih daoen.. shock breakernya masih oli...

apa lagi? hiace vs elsape? mana ntuh sekarang hiace? udah jadi rumpon kali sekarang...

kijang, yah ane akuin mitikus gak ada yang kayak gini nih... kita ngomong jadoel yah.. tahun 80-an..
orang bilang kuda gak laku, coba aja ente lihat di jalanan, lumayan banyak kuda berkeliaran.. apalagi di sumbawa.. wuih, banyak bener.. susunya aja bermanfaat.. susu kuda liar.. :upss: :upss:
DX sama SL? Hehehehe.......boleh disurvey ke seratus orang past lebih populer DX lah dibanding SL :)

Hiace vs Elsape? Kalo ada seandai nya Hiace tetep pertahanin model jadul sampe skr, mungkin ratusan karyawan ktb udah pada di phk :mrgreen: untung toyota moto nya 'moving forward' bukan 'step in place' hihihihi......
Apa tadi ente bilang? Kuda? Hiks.....jadi kecian ane kalo ngebayangin mitsu ngarep mode : on, pengen ngerebut pasar kijang tapi tapi ga sesuai impian....yeaaah.....mimpo sih boleh tapi jgn berangan2 terlalu tinggi, kenyataan ternyata menyakitkan.......huaaahahahahaha........... :ngacir:
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nyaman.... hmmm... dulu iya toyota jagonya, kayanya kalo sekarang sih ga nambah, soalnya sama nissan aja udah kalah...
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yg gw tau kalo tyt boyo dari mitsu ya dulu itu..kalo di wrc seringan evo yg naek podium...tapi celica gt4 pernahlah juara..
cuma pas tyt corolla *lupa type nya* (di indo ga masuk versi nya) makin jarang masuk podium...yg sering cuma subaru mitsu
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ah ga jugalah, camry lumayan kok, lebih enak dari eclass malah bantingannya..tambah siraammm... hahahah
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zweifellos wrote:
roadtrain99 wrote:Kalo dr luar, kebetulan td sy pk mobil bensin bersampingan dgn ctv diesel, suaranya ga gitu terdengar, ga spt diesel panther / kijang lama.
Pernah jg pas bw ctv keadaan jln bersampingan dgn pajsport, suara si pajero agak terdengar dikit, tp ga sekasar diesel2 biasa
itu yang di bold maknanya sama kah? jadi ctv ama pajero sport suara mesinnya sama2 terdengar sedikit pas om lagi bawa mobil bensin di samping tuh mobil2?
oo gini,..
pas gw lg di mobil bensin, samping2an dgn ctv diesel pas di lampu merah, suara diesel ctv hampir ga significant.
kalo pas gw pk ctv diesel, berdampingan dgn pajsport (keadaan jalan) diesel si pajero masih bs terdengar dari cabin ctv yg jg sama2 lagi jalan. klo misalnya gw pas pk yg bensin, berarti diesel si pajero lebih jelas lagi.

tuh udah dijelasin sama kopat, ktnya pajsport akan lebih terdengar. tapi ga berisik kayak diesel lama lho.
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maskopat wrote: yee.. pan ane ngomongin yang mobil sportnya.. kalo gak salah yang IS deh.. lupa ane...
moso mobil sport pake supir... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

btw om dal, ente kayaknya cocok deh pake lexus LS... bungkus deh tuh.. :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
ane kalo lihat LS di jalan, langsung kebayang om2 buncit kayak ente gitu di belakangnya... ane di belakang aja ngawal pake epo... :upss: :upss:
Upsss.....sori ane kebayangnya tadi LS460L siiih..... :mrgreen:
Tapi yg pasti bukan kalah dari mitsu toh? qiqiqiqi......

Wah.....salah om, ane mah kaga buncit....cuma rada2 gimanaaa....gitu....yg pasti sih cewe manapun betah kalo sama ane :mrgreen: :upss:
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maskopat wrote: menurut ane sih PS akan lebih berisik daripada CTV... soalnya PS itu masih pake blok mesin jadoel.. kalo CTV totally new..
terus terang, kalo gak lihat angka 2.4 dan 2.0 VCDI, ane gak tahu dari suaranya ctv diesel atau bensin.. kecuali deket banget yak..
asep knalpot pun yang diesel juga dah gak kelihatan.. mungkin ane kurang perhatiin..
blok jadul ps yg mana maksudnya?

asep ctv diesel kalo pas idle tipis sekali, kalo baru nyala dipagi atau setelah lama ga nyala (mesin dingin) agak tebel cm ga hitam. kalo lagi narik, ada asap tipis, spt navara atau lc lah, ga spt panther atau d4d.
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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote: yee.. pan ane ngomongin yang mobil sportnya.. kalo gak salah yang IS deh.. lupa ane...
moso mobil sport pake supir... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

btw om dal, ente kayaknya cocok deh pake lexus LS... bungkus deh tuh.. :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
ane kalo lihat LS di jalan, langsung kebayang om2 buncit kayak ente gitu di belakangnya... ane di belakang aja ngawal pake epo... :upss: :upss:
Upsss.....sori ane kebayangnya tadi LS460L siiih..... :mrgreen:
Tapi yg pasti bukan kalah dari mitsu toh? qiqiqiqi......

Wah.....salah om, ane mah kaga buncit....cuma rada2 gimanaaa....gitu....yg pasti sih cewe manapun betah kalo sama ane :mrgreen: :upss:
percaya om.... soalnya keringet ente bau berlian... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

iye yang IS.. itu kan sportnya lexus... driving experiencenya kata si tester gak nikmat.. kayaknya boyota banget...
boyo sih mungkin gak.. tapi ya itu tadi deh... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

kalo LS.. duh.. nih keren banget... alus... ane percaya ini lebih nyaman daripada SL ane... :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
walaupun hurufnya sama, tapi lexus L nya di depan, kalo ane S nya... :ungg: :ungg:
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roadtrain99 wrote:hehe..mari kita btt lagi..
terpaksa pinjem review org, abis owner everest jarang mampir di sm.
good review nih.. sayang ane kagak ngerti linggis.. ada yang bisa translate?

tapi overall, ane suka everest.. lapang lega.. ane gak bisa bandingin ama fortie karena cuman naek di depan dan waktu naek gak nyaman banget.. soalnya mobil bos.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
boleh dunk ane bilang fortie gak nyaman kalo ada bos ane... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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roadtrain99 wrote:
maskopat wrote: menurut ane sih PS akan lebih berisik daripada CTV... soalnya PS itu masih pake blok mesin jadoel.. kalo CTV totally new..
terus terang, kalo gak lihat angka 2.4 dan 2.0 VCDI, ane gak tahu dari suaranya ctv diesel atau bensin.. kecuali deket banget yak..
asep knalpot pun yang diesel juga dah gak kelihatan.. mungkin ane kurang perhatiin..
blok jadul ps yg mana maksudnya?

asep ctv diesel kalo pas idle tipis sekali, kalo baru nyala dipagi atau setelah lama ga nyala (mesin dingin) agak tebel cm ga hitam. kalo lagi narik, ada asap tipis, spt navara atau lc lah, ga spt panther atau d4d.
gini, PS itu pake blok 4D56... tapi untuk kruk as, piston, setangnya pake yang turbo.. headnya udah pake common rail.. jadi emang bukan mesin diesel baru yang modern untuk bagian bawahnya..

kalo diesel barunya, mitikus pake 4N series... sepertinya gak masuk ke indon deh... tapi kalo di europe, dipake di lancer, outlander..
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GTR wrote:nyaman.... hmmm... dulu iya toyota jagonya, kayanya kalo sekarang sih ga nambah, soalnya sama nissan aja udah kalah...
sirammmm..... :glodak: :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
Hohohoho........kalo Nissan sih emang TOB!!! Boleh lah buat pendamping Toyota di kelasnya..... tapi kalo merk 'mitsukopat' seeeh.......nanti dulu deh..... :mrgreen:
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gw ambil dari thread 'share captiva'
bolehaja75 wrote:Chevrolet Captiva AWD berhasil meraih penghargaan dan gelar The Best Buy 2009 dari majalah Autocar Indonesia
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INILAH.COM, Jakarta- Chevrolet Captiva AWD berhasil meraih penghargaan dan gelar The Best Buy 2009 dari majalah Autocar Indonesia.

“Selaku atpm Chevrolet, GM Autoworld Indonesia (GMAI) tentunya sangat bangga Chevrolet Captiva bisa mendapat pengakuan dari Masyarakat dan Media di Indonesia. Mudah-mudahan apa yang diraih oleh Captiva menjadi indikator positif menuju kebangkitan Chevrolet di Indonesia,” ujar Marketing & Public Relations Director GMAI Debora Amelia Santoso dalam siaran pers yang diterima INILAH.COM hari Senin (19/10) .

Chevrolet Captiva resmi masuk ke Indonesia pada tanggal 7 Juli 2007 silam. Produk SUV Chevrolet yang fenomenal ini, mengawali kiprahnya lewat sebuah seremoni peluncuran yang spektakuler, di mana Chevrolet Captiva digantung di udara dengan Helikopter Puma di atas perairan di ujung Barat Pulau Jawa.

Debutan line-up Captiva di Indonesia adalah Captiva bermesin bensin 2400 cc, diperlengkap setahun berikutnya oleh Captiva bermesin diesel 2000 cc dan beberapa waktu lalu Chevrolet Captiva AWD yang merupakan varian termewah bermesin diesel 2000 cc yang hadir guna memenuhi kebutuhan market SUV Premium di Indonesia.

Dan keluaran 2009, menandai peningkatan spesifikasi interior Captiva, yakni interior Captiva yang mono tone-hitam mulai berubah hingga seterusnya menjadi lebih mewah dengan konsep two tone, perpaduan beige dan hitam.

Diterimanya Chevrolet Captiva dengan berbagai modelnya di pasar Indonesia juga dipertegas dari data permintaan yang terus meningkat. Tak pelak, permintaan yang terus meningkat tersebut kerap menimbulkan penjadwalan inden terhadap Chevrolet Captiva.

Pada tahun 2007 Captiva memperoleh penjualan sebesar 932 unit, di tahun 2008 meraih 1.582 unit, dan di tahun 2009 hingga September telah mencapai 1.304 unit. Jadi, total populasi Chevrolet Captiva di Indonesia hingga September 2009 adalah 3.818 unit.

Sementara untuk perolehan market share SUV C yang dihuni oleh Honda CR-V, Nissan X-Trail, Suzuki Grand Vitara dan Ford Escape di area penjualan Jakarta-Banten, Jawa Barat, Jawa Tengah, dan Jawa Timur, Chevrolet Captiva perlahan tapi pasti menunjukkan potensi peraihan market share yang signifikan. Chevrolet menjadi satu-satunya merek Amerika yang tampak memberikan perlawanan dalam persaingan peraihan market share SUV C di Indonesia.

Seperti di keseluruhan Jakarta termasuk Banten, volume SUV C periode Januari – Juni 2009 yakni 3650 unit. Peringkat 1, 2 dan 3 berturut-turut dihuni oleh Honda 58%, Nissan 24% dan Chevrolet 8%. Di Jawa Barat dari volume 1183 unit, Chevrolet menduduki posisi ke-4 setelah Honda, Nissan dan Suzuki dengan share 9%.

Di Jawa Tengah dari volume 479 unit kembali Chevrolet menduduki posisi ke-4 setelah Honda, Nissan dan Suzuki dengan share 2%. Terakhir di Jawa Timur, Chevrolet berhasil menduduki posisi ke-3 setelah Honda dan Nissan dengan share 6% dari volume total 780 unit.

Pada periode Januari – September 2009 Chevrolet Captiva sukses menduduki posisi ketiga di segmen SUV C dengan perolehan total penjualan 1.304 unit.

Sedangkan, posisi pertamanya diduduki oleh Honda CR-V dan Kedua Nissan X-Trail. Sedangkan posisi ke-4 Suzuki dengan Grand Vitara-dan ke-5 adalah Ford Escape. [Tom]
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maskopat wrote: gini, PS itu pake blok 4D56... tapi untuk kruk as, piston, setangnya pake yang turbo.. headnya udah pake common rail.. jadi emang bukan mesin diesel baru yang modern untuk bagian bawahnya..

kalo diesel barunya, mitikus pake 4N series... sepertinya gak masuk ke indon deh... tapi kalo di europe, dipake di lancer, outlander..
oooooo gituuuuuuuuuu...ok ok..thx bebehh..kok indon..ntar disangka malinsia lho...ahaha