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Iya beda, lebih fair....gak ada kuota2an. Dan Fortuner tetep menang penjualannya. Di playing field yang adil, Fortuner menang. Di Indonesia yang katanya pake kuota, Fortuner menang. Saya bingung kapan excusesnya mau habisskullkid wrote:ahahah emank bkin pabrik murah bro. lagian di thailand beda kali realitas pasarnya sama di indo. errrrrr
Ooo Fortuner lama, well tunggu aja ntar balik kesini dan bayar parkir, tol. Pajero Sport doesn't even have auto-up power window. Mau tutup kaca? pencet terus sampe atasskullkid wrote:gue adanya fortuner std neverbeen offroad. itupun udah kejual 250jt kmaren, gara2 gak ada yang pake, gue lagi apply pr oz and expected not to leave the country for a year or so.
gak sabar pake PS. err
Penumpang baris ke-2 kepanasan? Minta ke baris ke-3 aja, since PS gak ada AC on all three rows.
hhaaha SEQUOIA = LADDER FRAME, truck based as well : THIRD FLOOR FLAT. toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensiFortunerMan wrote:Nggak...Innova dr pertama udah ada airbagnya....versi mahalnya. Sekarang juga versi J gak ada airbag.skullkid wrote:kijang model facelift kan yang ada airbagsnya. dlu waktu saya beli fortuner beloma ada bro. heheheFortunerMan wrote:Yah gimana ya, emang begini nasib semua ladder frame SUV Toyota...dari Landcruiser sampai Fortuner sampai Lexus LX, lipat ke atas. Bedanya di Lexus lipatnya elektrik
kok bilang semua suv toyota fold atas? ambil contoh sequoia sama kluger/highlander?
All LADDER FRAME SUV nya Toyota....alias the tough boys, lipat ke atas. Highlander/Kruger dan Harrier itu monokok CUV.
No, we do not agree on anything. I think the Pajero Sport is ugly dan fit and finish nya masih di bawah Fortuner. Makanya saya bilang, semua orang berbeda menilai mobil dan kita bebas memilih - choose what you like.skullkid wrote:but we do agree on the same BASE or small things (get what i mean). fortuner kalah comfort, akses kabin, flat fold seats, steering, turning radius. dan untuk sya, itu yang lebih penting daripda keunggulan fortuner,, ummm apa ya? hahahah
dan yg saya yakin juga toyota indo kayak terburu2 gt ngeluarin versi matic dari fortie disel. kayak takut di kalahin PS. or maybe untuk ngisi kekosongan stock dari mitsu sendiri (kalo ornag buth suv matic disel buat lebaran). dan 4d56 adalah mesin legendaris di indo. eheh
dmana ada ente, slalu ada ribut yah, mo ganti nick jg tetep aja... uda sono balik milis lu aja gih... NLC kek, terano club kek, xtrail club kek...Freehahawawa wrote:ok, udah oot lama. balik ke topic.
untuk yg ini ane stuju, bukanya NMI ga mampu, tapi mereka bukan perusahaan kmaren sore yg baru jadi.... kasus black campaign klas teri gt mahh, ga bakal mengganggu mereka... cuman orang aneh aja atau yg freak, dari taon ke taon masi berkoar2 kasus yg sama...FortunerMan wrote:
NMI gak mampu sewa lawyer ya....segitu hebohnya buktiSaya rasa sih mereka mampu, cuman memang mereka lebih pintar saja dari anda - kalo ini gak akan kemana mana ujungnya.
Kan saya bilang Kijang ada airbag dr dulu kan, bener kan ada..walaupun 2.7, adaskullkid wrote:hhaaha SEQUOIA = LADDER FRAME, truck based as well : THIRD FLOOR FLAT. toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensiFortunerMan wrote: All LADDER FRAME SUV nya Toyota....alias the tough boys, lipat ke atas. Highlander/Kruger dan Harrier itu monokok CUV.
innova apa? 2.7? gak usah ngmg, cuma keluar brapa biji (baca: gak laku).
nyokap pake innova v luxury. itu udah trim paling tinggi innova. gak ada airbags, bahkan third row seatbelt aja nggak ada, well gak kepake anyway sih, but still.
nstead of a solid rear axle, the second-gen Sequoia has a more compact, independent, double-wishbone rear suspension. This allowed Toyota to package in a fold-flat third row.
kalo yg namanya si freehawa alias si szli alias si sh*tlord itu uda dari jaman kita masi blom register, kerjaan nya emang gt bro aris, jadi jangan kaget, apalagi waktu dulu ada yg namanya conan, behhh.... debat ga penting mereka itu bisa berpuluh2 halaman panjangnya... blom lagi kisah2 pembelaan nissan nya yg seolah2 nissan itu perusahaan tersuci di dunia... mobil lain itu cuman gila cari untung doank.... bahh, kalo nissan itu perushaan yg mikirin customernya, ntuh livina kaga disunat abs nya, airbag nya, kasi ban nya jg bukan dunlop yg murahan, baris ke tiga jg dikasi seatbelt, rem blakang kaga tromol, harganya jg kaga naek2...arisbudiarto wrote:Om-om, gimana kalau pada japri-an ajah debat yang sudah mengarah privasinya? kalau debat-debat yang konteksnya masih perbandingan kualitas yang terukur masih ok lah, sekalian buat saya nambah pengetahuan.
Data penjualan itu hanya cerminan respon pasar terhadap berbagai merk mobil yang dijual di sini....namanya respon pasar ya bisa macam-macam pertimbangan, ada budget oriented, ada build quality oriented, ada base on kata paman, bibi, ortu, teman, istri, pacar oriented....dll
maaf bukan bermaksud menggurui
gila yah youre a joke. perna liat PS gak sih? perna testdrive nggak? gak ada ac on all three rows? kresiFortunerMan wrote:Ooo Fortuner lama, well tunggu aja ntar balik kesini dan bayar parkir, tol. Pajero Sport doesn't even have auto-up power window. Mau tutup kaca? pencet terus sampe atasskullkid wrote:gue adanya fortuner std neverbeen offroad. itupun udah kejual 250jt kmaren, gara2 gak ada yang pake, gue lagi apply pr oz and expected not to leave the country for a year or so.
gak sabar pake PS. err
youre the one making excuse. ini kenyataan bro. hehe. nih buktinya kalo mitsu seriusly kurang supply. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... JKRCG0.htmFortunerMan wrote:Iya beda, lebih fair....gak ada kuota2an. Dan Fortuner tetep menang penjualannya. Di playing field yang adil, Fortuner menang. Di Indonesia yang katanya pake kuota, Fortuner menang. Saya bingung kapan excusesnya mau habisskullkid wrote:ahahah emank bkin pabrik murah bro. lagian di thailand beda kali realitas pasarnya sama di indo. errrrrr
kan i said, waktu gue maw beli, udah gak ada? duh?FortunerMan wrote:Kan saya bilang Kijang ada airbag dr dulu kan, bener kan ada..walaupun 2.7, adaskullkid wrote:hhaaha SEQUOIA = LADDER FRAME, truck based as well : THIRD FLOOR FLAT. toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensiFortunerMan wrote: All LADDER FRAME SUV nya Toyota....alias the tough boys, lipat ke atas. Highlander/Kruger dan Harrier itu monokok CUV.
innova apa? 2.7? gak usah ngmg, cuma keluar brapa biji (baca: gak laku).
nyokap pake innova v luxury. itu udah trim paling tinggi innova. gak ada airbags, bahkan third row seatbelt aja nggak ada, well gak kepake anyway sih, but still.
Would you say Landcruiser juga gak spend money buat redesign? Lexus LX 450? All fold UP. 4Runner? UP Prado? UP.
I meant to say, all ladder frames with solid axles. Sequoia pake independent suspension belakangnya
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Dr ... eId=123421
PS only has blowers on the front and third row. Please check your facts. Fortuner and Everest have blowers for all three.skullkid wrote:gila yah youre a joke. perna liat PS gak sih? perna testdrive nggak? gak ada ac on all three rows? kresi
No, I don't care about when you want to buy what. Yg penting Innova dari dulu (before facelift) sudah ada airbag (walaupun on the high versions only), bener kan?skullkid wrote:toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensi
kan i said, waktu gue maw beli, udah gak ada? duh?
gila banget jelas2 tadi lo blg ladder frames, skrg tambah lagi. kalo mitsubishi bisa, knapa toyta nggak? kan namanya gak makesense. dan udah jelas kalo rata tuh lebih bagus akomodasinya.
then tadi lo blg on all three rows? very funny dude.FortunerMan wrote:PS only has blowers on the front and third row. Please check your facts. Fortuner and Everest have blowers for all three.skullkid wrote:gila yah youre a joke. perna liat PS gak sih? perna testdrive nggak? gak ada ac on all three rows? kresi
hahahaha FYI i never said about lexus and TLC dari tadi. because I KNOW mereka lipat atas.FortunerMan wrote:No, I don't care about when you want to buy what. Yg penting Innova dari dulu (before facelift) sudah ada airbag (walaupun on the high versions only), bener kan?skullkid wrote:toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensi
kan i said, waktu gue maw beli, udah gak ada? duh?
gila banget jelas2 tadi lo blg ladder frames, skrg tambah lagi. kalo mitsubishi bisa, knapa toyta nggak? kan namanya gak makesense. dan udah jelas kalo rata tuh lebih bagus akomodasinya.
You said, Toyota Indonesia gak mau spend money untuk bikin fold flat. Ternyata anda yang salah. LANDCRUISER saja nggak fold flat. Mau nggak ngaku salah? You think LEXUS LX450 juga karena Toyota Indonesia gak mau redesign suspensi?
Dari artikel andaskullkid wrote:youre the one making excuse. ini kenyataan bro. hehe. nih buktinya kalo mitsu seriusly kurang supply. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... JKRCG0.htm
playing field adil apaan? lo tinggal di indo kan? kog bacanya bengkok post? lol. itu jelas2 TRIM yang udah jelaS BEDA sama yang dijual di indonesia
So they're hiring - great.Mitsubishi Motors Corp. is hiring 1,300 workers in Thailand, the latest sign of a global auto recovery, coming a day after Toyota announced it was adding 800 employees in Japan
hah? i dont get your statement, muter2 bro. mereka kurang supply, makanya jadi kurang sales,kalo gak ada supply, apa yang mau dijual? so theyre hiring more worker, tentunya karena ada alesan donk. higher demandFortunerMan wrote:Dari artikel andaskullkid wrote:youre the one making excuse. ini kenyataan bro. hehe. nih buktinya kalo mitsu seriusly kurang supply. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... JKRCG0.htm
playing field adil apaan? lo tinggal di indo kan? kog bacanya bengkok post? lol. itu jelas2 TRIM yang udah jelaS BEDA sama yang dijual di indonesiaSo they're hiring - great.Mitsubishi Motors Corp. is hiring 1,300 workers in Thailand, the latest sign of a global auto recovery, coming a day after Toyota announced it was adding 800 employees in Japan
Anda kan bilang sales Pajero Sport kalah dr Fortuner di Indonesia karena quota Thailand. OK, well di Thailand (tanpa kuota) juga sales Pajero Sport kalah dari Fortuner. Jadi kalau kalah sales...ada aja alasan anda. I'm not saying the Pajero Sport is a bad SUV, cuman lucu aja...listening to you making excuses for it. Santai aja.
skullkid wrote:toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensi
Oh, kalo Fortuner yg gak fold flat - it's karena Toyota gak mau spend money. Kalau LC and Lexus (who have similar suspension setups as the Fortuner - solid rear axle) gak fold flat, it's fine?skullkid wrote:hahahaha FYI i never said about lexus and TLC dari tadi. because I KNOW mereka lipat atas.
You said Kijang sebelum facelift gak ada airbag, all I said was..ada. Bener kan ada?skullkid wrote:ya kalo mau beli tapi gak ada barangnya gmn? thats the condition. org memang gak dijual lagi gmn? lol FYI, the v luxury version is the highest version. hahaha
In that same article, Toyota is also hiring. So what? Can I say Toyota kurang supply juga?skullkid wrote:hah? i dont get your statement, muter2 bro. mereka kurang supply, makanya jadi kurang sales,kalo gak ada supply, apa yang mau dijual? so theyre hiring more worker, tentunya karena ada alesan donk. higher demand??
Excuses excuses well maybe lexus just doesnt want to spend more money on research? you'll never know, since theres no facts.FortunerMan wrote:skullkid wrote:toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensiOh, kalo Fortuner yg gak fold flat - it's karena Toyota gak mau spend money. Kalau LC and Lexus (who have similar suspension setups as the Fortuner - solid rear axle) gak fold flat, it's fine?skullkid wrote:hahahaha FYI i never said about lexus and TLC dari tadi. because I KNOW mereka lipat atas.
You said Kijang sebelum facelift gak ada airbag, all I said was..ada. Bener kan ada?skullkid wrote:ya kalo mau beli tapi gak ada barangnya gmn? thats the condition. org memang gak dijual lagi gmn? lol FYI, the v luxury version is the highest version. hahaha
you should pay more attention on GEOGRAPHICAL area. one is in thailand, and the other one is in japan. its completely different, mungkin RELEVAN kalo fortuner dirakit di jepang.FortunerMan wrote:In that same article, Toyota is also hiring. So what? Can I say Toyota kurang supply juga?skullkid wrote:hah? i dont get your statement, muter2 bro. mereka kurang supply, makanya jadi kurang sales,kalo gak ada supply, apa yang mau dijual? so theyre hiring more worker, tentunya karena ada alesan donk. higher demand??
So how did you "know" that Toyota Indonesia gak mau spend money buat redesign suspensi Fortuner di Indonesia? Where's your facts for this statement?skullkid wrote:well maybe lexus just doesnt want to spend more money on research? you'll never know, since theres no facts.
Kalo Lexus...eehhh you never know...wa wa wa...kalo Fortuner...you're so certain! Now that's funny!skullkid wrote:toyota indonesia aja gak spend money more buat redesign suspensi
Setau ane sih ada bang, yg tipe V baik yg 2.7 maupun yg 2.0VFortunerMan wrote:] You said Kijang sebelum facelift gak ada airbag, all I said was..ada. Bener kan ada?
Mangkanye ane juga bingung...ini org ngawur tp sok tau beratmandala1 wrote:Setau ane sih ada bang, yg tipe V baik yg 2.7 maupun yg 2.0VFortunerMan wrote:] You said Kijang sebelum facelift gak ada airbag, all I said was..ada. Bener kan ada?
