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Kalo ABG doyan dugem.... 

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oo...ABG kalo maksud nya Acek Baru Genit-> ini yg bahaya bang..uwakakak
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pressure persis CRD nya mesti ask turboman nih...ZombiEE wrote:@GTR: believe it or not..byk bapak2 doyan ngebut tuh..hehehehe...
fortie kalo jadi pakai VN turbo, apakah dia jenis high pressure common rail?sumone please enlighten me:)
kalo liat2 kulitnya (spec) doang, belum hi-pressure yah, "medium" kali kalo ada istilah itu.
mesin segitu masih dibawah navarra 174 ps, 400nm..
soalnya yg hi-pressure itu spec nya 70-80an hp/liter kaya mesin2 DCAT toyota / i-DTEC honda / dCi nissan / VCDi chevy, Tdi VW, dll, tapi yg ini nuntut sulfur rendah.
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ente doyannya "Durem" yah....mandala1 wrote:Kalo ABG doyan dugem....
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efektifitas VGT di berbagai rentang rpm :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp8h5XLLbGA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp8h5XLLbGA&NR=1
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ehehehe......apaan tuh 'durem' om?GTR wrote:ente doyannya "Durem" yah....mandala1 wrote:Kalo ABG doyan dugem....

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@oom GTR: kalo oom meong tuh...no comment dah..uwakakak..ampun oom
ehm..icic...tapi apa TAM baru rilis yg versi sekarang mau ganti mesin ke mesin VN turbo ini?:)




ehm..icic...tapi apa TAM baru rilis yg versi sekarang mau ganti mesin ke mesin VN turbo ini?:)
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DUNIA REMANG REMANG..................................mandala1 wrote:ehehehe......apaan tuh 'durem' om?GTR wrote:ente doyannya "Durem" yah....mandala1 wrote:Kalo ABG doyan dugem....













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oits....rupanya oom meong...oom meong...ta' aduin lho ntar..uwakakakak:P
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Cukup lah...mesin truk di Indonesia gak usah canggih2 amat, yg penting awet ke pembeli janda2nya - solar Indonesia gitu lho. Apalagi nih VN Turbo di Innova ya, lebih ngacirr lagi...MPV tangguh dgn torsi 343nm.GTR wrote:ZombiEE wrote:kalo liat2 kulitnya (spec) doang, belum hi-pressure yah, "medium" kali kalo ada istilah itu.
mesin segitu masih dibawah navarra 174 ps, 400nm..
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@ GTR & Jombie ....
Btw kalo innova bakal pake mesin ini juga, ane bisa berpikir2 lagi ambil D'cab.....
doooh.....bingung.com euy.......
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Btw kalo innova bakal pake mesin ini juga, ane bisa berpikir2 lagi ambil D'cab.....

doooh.....bingung.com euy.......



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cuman soal nya ini..kapan dipasangkan sama TAM yah? 

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Kalo orang yg mau research sebelum membeli, pasti dapat info ini dan menunda beli. Kalo yg males research dan main beli aja - yah, salah sendiri tohZombiEE wrote:cuman soal nya ini..kapan dipasangkan sama TAM yah?

Di era informasi seperti skrg, mestinya gak bisa TAM "sembunyiin" varian baru ini lama2.
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iya sih..cuman kan dgn spek skg saja TAM sudah sangat berhasil dipasar..dari segi pandang bisnis...mgknkah mau susah2 ganti lagi?nah lho?
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hilux yang dah pake VNT torsi ama powernya berapa ya?
trus bagaimana dengan DID+ yang ada di web mitsubishi jerman buat triton, apakah ini DID+ pake VNT? DID+ buat yang matic dapat 178 hp dan 350 Nm, sedang manual 178 hp dan 400 Nm. akselerasi matic dan manual (0-100 kmh) masing2 13,9 s dan 11,6 s.
trus bagaimana dengan DID+ yang ada di web mitsubishi jerman buat triton, apakah ini DID+ pake VNT? DID+ buat yang matic dapat 178 hp dan 350 Nm, sedang manual 178 hp dan 400 Nm. akselerasi matic dan manual (0-100 kmh) masing2 13,9 s dan 11,6 s.
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Re: [WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?
Kalo dr segi bisnis, tentu saja mereka melihat - dgn mesin hanya 102hp sales mereka selalu ada disadvantage - dgn menurunkan mesin baru ini, penjualan Innova DAN Fortuner diesel bisa membludak tak tersaingi.ZombiEE wrote:iya sih..cuman kan dgn spek skg saja TAM sudah sangat berhasil dipasar..dari segi pandang bisnis...mgknkah mau susah2 ganti lagi?nah lho?
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ic ic..let's see....tapi koq ane py feeling ini TAM slalu saja pelit...uwakakkaa..cmiiw
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mudah2an sih harga yg AT nya tetep gak semahal nyang bensin ya Jom?ZombiEE wrote:ic ic..let's see....tapi koq ane py feeling ini TAM slalu saja pelit...uwakakkaa..cmiiw
Lagi pengen ngambil satu ya Jom?
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kayaknya om jom bakal ngambil 2 deh... tinggal tampang jombi aja ke showroom.. kabur semua deh penunggunya..Risol1 wrote:mudah2an sih harga yg AT nya tetep gak semahal nyang bensin ya Jom?ZombiEE wrote:ic ic..let's see....tapi koq ane py feeling ini TAM slalu saja pelit...uwakakkaa..cmiiw
Lagi pengen ngambil satu ya Jom?


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ada yang bisa mengulas everest 4x4 AT limited yang sebelum duratorq?
gimana ya performancenya, biaya perawatan, kemampuan off roadnya, konsumsi BBMnya? kesenyapan kabin baik karena jalan ataupun getaran dieselnya?
dulu pernah nyobain ranger tahun 2004, kesenyapan biasa aja, tapi tenaganya maknyus banget setelah siulan ajaibnya bekerja..
gimana ya performancenya, biaya perawatan, kemampuan off roadnya, konsumsi BBMnya? kesenyapan kabin baik karena jalan ataupun getaran dieselnya?
dulu pernah nyobain ranger tahun 2004, kesenyapan biasa aja, tapi tenaganya maknyus banget setelah siulan ajaibnya bekerja..
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@risol:pengen sih..kebetulan taon depan mobil sudah 5 tahun....hehehehe..tp liat ntar kuwat gak kantong ku ini..uwakakak
@maskopat: ntar ane ke tpt ente dulu yah..liat dulu epek nya gimana..uwakakak

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tp om, mbl2 mitsu yg bermesin bensin rata2 jeblok harga bekasnyaFortunerMan wrote: Orang beli Toyota biasanya cari reliability, yang memang sudah proven banget. Yg beli seken pun bisa menikmati sisa2 reliability ini. Karena mobil sekennya biasanya masih reliable, makanya demandnya naik...harga pun terjaga. Banyak org mengira resale value bagus itu datengnya dr langit.
berarti mbl2 tsb krg reliable ya?
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waduh, gw cupu kl bhs inggrisRisol1 wrote:Kalo ane liat/translate dari kutipan Wiki diatas, sebenernya "keeping the cost down" di atas lebih mengacu kepada:Captivated wrote: ini dr situs wiki yg anda kasih :
" In the USA the frequent changes in automobile design made it necessary to use a ladder frame rather than monocoque to make it possible to change the design without having to change the chassis, allowing frequent changes and improvements to the car's bodywork and interior (where they were most noticeable to customers) while leaving the chassis and driveline unchanged, and thus keeping cost down and design time short. It was also easy to use the same chassis and driveline for several very different cars."
keunggulan ladder adlh bs tekan cost dibanding monokok. loh... jd pabrikan pake ladder spy ongkosnya lbh murah toh?:
Keep the cost down karena "cuma perlu ganti model eksterior sedangkan chassis gak perlu di ganti", bukan langsung merujuk pada ladder frame lebih murah (atau bisa keep the cost down) daripada monokok, karena monokok sekarang ini juga udah sharing platform.....bukan 1 platform untuk 1 mobil aja.

penerawangan gw (smg ga salah) :
1. In the USA the frequent changes in automobile design made it necessary to use a ladder frame rather than monocoque to make it possible to change the design without having to change the chassis
2. allowing frequent changes and improvements to the car's bodywork and interior (where they were most noticeable to customers) while leaving the chassis and driveline unchanged
3. and thus keeping cost down and design time short
jd kl ditarik benang merahnya dr point 1 hingga 3, mmg bener bikin/pake ladder bs lbh murah drpd mono
tp ini versi wiki, bs bener bs salah... data yg valid harusnya berasal dr pabrikan itu sndiri
ya iyalah... ga fair kl bgtuRisol1 wrote: Kalo kita pake mobil monokok yg hampir sama gede dan beratnya, mungkin pengemudi ladder frame bakal lebih cedera karena walaupun bodi atasnya bisa crumpled, ladder/chassisnya engga, TAPI Kalo kita pake mobil yg lebih kecil dan ringan, malah syerem banget kalo sampe nabrak mobil2 SUV gambot dgn ladder frame ini karena ladder framenya bisa "nusuk" mobil kita dan akibatnya bisa fatal. Mobil2 begini (SUV gambot terutama yg pake ladder frame) udah terkenal sebagai "pembunuh" jalanan

kl fortie diadu ama yaris/vios/altis/camry... ntar hasil akhirnya fortie bs duduk manis diatas lawan2nya (literally)
mitsu fuso vs ferarri/lambo/bugatti cs... bs jd convertible tu mbl2 lux

kita hrs bandingin ama yg sepantaran, ato misalnya nabrak tembok/bangunan or pohon
tembok/pohon yg sama dihantam ama yaris mgkn lbh safe drivernya dibanding kl dihajar ama fortie
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kalo dalam kecepatan di bawah 60kpj, harusnya sih sama2 safe.. tapi masalahnya adalah ketika pada kecepatan yang tinggi, melewati energi benturan rencana.. mobil yang gak ada krupuk zone (ane gak ngomong ladder atau monokok lagi. karena PS dan triton walaupun ladder ada krupuk zonenya) lebih tidak terprediksi hancurnya..Captivated wrote: kita hrs bandingin ama yg sepantaran, ato misalnya nabrak tembok/bangunan or pohon
tembok/pohon yg sama dihantam ama yaris mgkn lbh safe drivernya dibanding kl dihajar ama fortie
nah, krupuk zone ini didesign agar kehancuran lebih terprediksi dan ditentukan di tempat2 yang boleh remuk..
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