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Dari baunya sih kayaknya sama.... :roll:
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Memang panther lebih hemat dari pada kijang bensin padahal cc nya jauh lebih besar panther, mesin diesel kan ditemukan belakangan setelah mesin bensin dan memang dari segi efisiensi jauh lebih baik dari bensin, tapi masih kalah dalam rpm dan tarikan awal, tetapi bagus untuk rpm rendah (untuk beban berat atau jalan menanjak) karena torsi max nya didapat pada rpm rendah (lebih rendah dari mesin bensin)

mesin diesel hanya kalah di tarikan awal (karena rpm nya ngga bisa setinggi bensin, mungkin bisa tapi ngga efisien sebab torsi max nya sudah lewat), mesin yang lebih berisik (getaran lebih keras, karena rpm lebih rendah dibanding mesin bensin), dan asap hitam pada knalpot

Tetapi untuk masalah tersebut sekarang sudah banyak diperbaiki dan diatasi, contohnya bisa lihat Toyota LandCruiser, Mitsubishi Pajero thn 2000-an, dan Mercedes D Class (jauh lebih nyaman daripada kijang bensin)

Hanya satu yang sampe sekarang masih menjadi kekurangan mesin diesel untuk disetarakan dengan mesin bensin.... Harganya Lebih Mahal...

mohon koreksi...^_^
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wah tapi me liat kalo mesin diesel tuh knalpotnya ngebol molo apa laghie kalo jalan nanjak tuh bung erick kadang malah wah kaya knalpot metromini sama bus PPD tuh
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wahh belom pernah liat Mercedes yang D Class yah hehehe, knalpotnya kagak ada asepnyeee... bingung2 dah,... padahal minumnya solar tuh

kalo LandCruiser n Pajero masih ada sedikit residunya (keliatan item dikit) tapi kalo mercy ngga keliatan, kayak mobil bensin biasa
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Itu bedanya antara yg terawat ama yg nggak terawat....
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e121ck wrote:wahh belom pernah liat Mercedes yang D Class yah hehehe, knalpotnya kagak ada asepnyeee... bingung2 dah,... padahal minumnya solar tuh

kalo LandCruiser n Pajero masih ada sedikit residunya (keliatan item dikit) tapi kalo mercy ngga keliatan, kayak mobil bensin biasa
mmh maklum jugha kali yagh mercy itu kan mobil mewah kayanya teknologinya jelas dagh canggih ketimbang yg lain :wink:
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Beda mahalnya yang pasti hehehehehe
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makanya biaya perawatan untuk mobil mercy selama setaon bisa bisa buat beli motor ninja degh ya ngga bung erick heheh
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1996 2T Yamaha RXZ 135
1998 2T Honda NSR 150R
2000 2T Yamaha RX King 135
2002 4T Suzuki New Shogun 110R
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Masa segh?
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apa laghi kalo ganti ganti onderdilnya yg rusak2 malah kadang masegh kudu import utk spare part tertentu
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1994 2T Vespa VX 150 Super
1996 2T Yamaha RXZ 135
1998 2T Honda NSR 150R
2000 2T Yamaha RX King 135
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Jip mercy gak bgitu banyak sih ya?
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wah parah laghie tuh kalo model2 jip umunya boros bahan bakar tuh
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1996 2T Yamaha RXZ 135
1998 2T Honda NSR 150R
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Emmank ada jip yg irit?
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hehe pokoknya kalo jip mah boros semua makanay kalo orang yg pake jip gw salut degh kalo ngga doi kerza di pertamina degh
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1994 2T Vespa VX 150 Super
1996 2T Yamaha RXZ 135
1998 2T Honda NSR 150R
2000 2T Yamaha RX King 135
2002 4T Suzuki New Shogun 110R
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Emberr... di kantor ada manager yg maniak banget ama jip. Sampe mobil kantor aja mintanya jip.
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wah maklum degh kalo me pikir pasti dia orang lapangan alias sering kontrol kelapangan tuh makanya minta yg jip
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1996 2T Yamaha RXZ 135
1998 2T Honda NSR 150R
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2002 4T Suzuki New Shogun 110R
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Wah, mana ada perusahaan advertising jalan-jalan sampe off road...
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hehehe palingan naik mobil kijang lapangan tuh heheh tapi me blum lancar bawa mobil heheh
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Hehehe... ada juga yg niru daku :lol:
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heheh kalo kijang me kurang jago abis ada moncongnya segh kalo soal van van me lancar bawannya tuh abis kaga punya moncong
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Mentang-mentang namanya Vande, bisanya cuma bawa Van... :wink:
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hehehhe ko tahu segh ehhehe
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Gwww.... egh dakuu....
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heh abisnya gampangan van segh
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e121ck wrote:Memang panther lebih hemat dari pada kijang bensin padahal cc nya jauh lebih besar panther, mesin diesel kan ditemukan belakangan setelah mesin bensin dan memang dari segi efisiensi jauh lebih baik dari bensin, tapi masih kalah dalam rpm dan tarikan awal, tetapi bagus untuk rpm rendah (untuk beban berat atau jalan menanjak) karena torsi max nya didapat pada rpm rendah (lebih rendah dari mesin bensin)

mesin diesel hanya kalah di tarikan awal (karena rpm nya ngga bisa setinggi bensin, mungkin bisa tapi ngga efisien sebab torsi max nya sudah lewat), mesin yang lebih berisik (getaran lebih keras, karena rpm lebih rendah dibanding mesin bensin), dan asap hitam pada knalpot

Tetapi untuk masalah tersebut sekarang sudah banyak diperbaiki dan diatasi, contohnya bisa lihat Toyota LandCruiser, Mitsubishi Pajero thn 2000-an, dan Mercedes D Class (jauh lebih nyaman daripada kijang bensin)

Hanya satu yang sampe sekarang masih menjadi kekurangan mesin diesel untuk disetarakan dengan mesin bensin.... Harganya Lebih Mahal...

mohon koreksi...^_^
Sedikit koreksi,
Soal rpm nggak bisa tinggi pertama mesin diesel mempunyai kompresi 2x daripada mesin bensin, perbandingannya bisa 1:17 (bensin rata2 1:9) itu sebabnya rpm-nya dibatasi sampai 4000 atau 5000, kalo nggak bisa meledak itu mesin.
Berisik, nggak juga, jangan liat mesin diesel itu di bus atau metro mini, berisik itu disebabkan masih banyaknya komponen dari besi/metal pada "jeroannya" seperti timing belt yang pake rantai (bensin pake karet) sistem injeksinya dan konpresi tinggi dari mesin disel. Bener kata bung erick, mobil sekarang seperti mersi atau pajero nggak berisik karena banyak materialnya sudah disempurnakan.
Soal tarikan nggak ada bedanya kok, saya pernah coba vw (saya lupa typenya cuman sedan) waktu di Argentina, saya coba tarik dengan peugeot 406 mobil saya menang. Di jakarta saya coba geber panther lawan kijang, kijangnya saya tempel terus sampe masuk 160.
Jadi mobil diesel sebenarnya nggak ad bedanya sama bensin, malah lebih banyak untungnya, karena nggak perlu beli busi, platina/cdi so maintenance costnya lebih rendah daripada bensin.