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Iya,maksudnya gw mw pake DC2 utk polishnya,bkn mw dpake sndiri.. Jd rncana step gw
Cuci - rain x self dry
Polish - dc2
Wax - TW platinum
Detailer - UQD
Kira2 dah cukup ga ya?? Kok cuma kita b2 ya yg ngobrol.. Yg lain pd kmana yah..hehe.. :upss:
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nikki wrote:Iya,maksudnya gw mw pake DC2 utk polishnya,bkn mw dpake sndiri.. Jd rncana step gw
Cuci - rain x self dry
Polish - dc2
Wax - TW platinum
Detailer - UQD
Kira2 dah cukup ga ya?? Kok cuma kita b2 ya yg ngobrol.. Yg lain pd kmana yah..hehe.. :upss:

gw pernah pake itu dgn urutan yg sama (kecuali shampoo, gw pake NXT shampoo ato TW PUG shampoo)

hasilnya bagusssss....hnya , TW PUG wax, durabilitynya kurang..tapi hasil akhirnya gw suka...

sebelum DC2, pakein DC1 Bro...yg penting, permukaan cat harus bener2 bersih dan bebas kontaminasi seblum mulai polish dan ngewax.

tahapan preparasi rekomendasi gw :
bug n tar removal > claying > DC1

lalu lanjutkan dgn
DC2 >TW Pug > UQD...tunggu s/d 12 jam setelah semprot UQD, mudah2an hasilnya mantap.. :D



tahap preparasi itu penting untuk mendapatkan hasil maksimal.. :D


yg lain mgkn sibuk kerja Bro, biasa, awal bulan dan hari senin pula :D
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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - Part 03

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Wah klo pake dc1/claying agak trlalu panjang dan mahal bro stepnya.. Soalnya sbnrnya smua ini cm buat motor laki bro.. :upss: hehe.. Klo cleaner ato polish kan pake nya jarang apalagi cm bwt motor..bisa awet buat brapa tahun tuh sbotol..hehe..
Paling gw msh bingung mw step2 gw pake Cleaner aja ato polish aja ya?
Step 1 - cuci
Step 2 - polish aja ato cleaner aja yah?
Step 3 - wax
Step 4 - detailer
Dibuat singkat gt buat meminimalisir pengeluaran..hehe
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Iseng2, gw coba jelasin aja ya..
Cleaner itu fungsinya buat membersihkan permukaan cat yang kotor oleh kontaminan yang gak terlihat dan gak hilang pada proses cuci. Jadi bsa dijarangkan pemakaiannya, terutama bila cat selalu terlindung wax/sealant.
Polish, buat consumer line, produk OTC, sebenarnya gak ada. Paling kuat ya kayak scratchx or scratch remover lainnya. Kalo non OTC banyak, dan biasanya buat pemakaian dengan mesin. Kecuali compound ya (TW hijau n merah, keep out). DC2 sebenernya bukan polish, tapi polishing oil, jadi dia gak cut. Cuma memberi minyak lagi pada cat supaya tetap "segar". Mau sering juga gpp. Kalo scratchx ya gak boleh sering, kalo swirl atau scratch ilang, berarti dia cut. Kalo cut, gak boleh sering2. Bener kata bro abu2 sekitar 2-3 bulan sekali. Kalo CW gak masalah, karena cleanernya mild sekali.
Curing, sebenernya istilah ini ada 2 pengertian.
1. Waktu yang diperlukan sebelum wax/sealant di buff setelah di apply. Testnya finger swipe. Tapi pada wax tertentu dianjurkan jangan sampe terlalu kering.
2. Waktu yang diperlukan sebelum wax/sealant siap buat di layer. Jadi terminologi ini dipake hanya kalo mau layering wax. Kalo gak berniat layer, ya hajar aja pakek kendaraan. Hanya jangan kena air aja. Dan siap2 berdebu karena efek staticnya, terutama wax.
Intinya benar pada tahap prep (wash, clay, clean, polish). Itu aja dah cukup buat cat kinclong. Tapi kalo pengen mempertahankan dan menambah kinclongya, ya pake wax/sealant yang dimaintain pake QD.
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Wah nice inpoh bgt bro,btw OTC tu apa ya?? Brarti melihat pnjelasan bro d atas gw krg perlu cleaner yah.. Karna kendaraan gw cm mtr.jarang pake, 5 hari skali d wax,klo abis pake lgsg dusting trus timpe detailer lg.. Brarti sblm waxing kr2 bagusnya gw pake DC2 ato Mothers CW ya??
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nikki wrote:Wah nice inpoh bgt bro,btw OTC tu apa ya?? Brarti melihat pnjelasan bro d atas gw krg perlu cleaner yah.. Karna kendaraan gw cm mtr.jarang pake, 5 hari skali d wax,klo abis pake lgsg dusting trus timpe detailer lg.. Brarti sblm waxing kr2 bagusnya gw pake DC2 ato Mothers CW ya??
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Tetep perlu, walau mang jarang sekali pakeknya. Gw saranin beli, biar rutin 2-3 bulan sekali. Buat sekaligus ngilangin wax build up.
Kalo emang 5 hari sekali, ya pakek CW aja. Mau diwax lg boleh, gak juga gpp. Karena CW juga tahanlah buat 5 hari.
Kalo dusting hati2, jangan malah jadi baret2 halus. Kalo dah baca part 1 2, dah tau dusting pakek apa n cuci yang bener. Ingat aja, kebanyakan swirl ya disebabkan qta sendiri. Dont let anything touch the paint, kecuali yakin gak nyebabin baret.
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Kalo moles sendiri gw, kenapa ga bisa kalo ga swirl yah? Gw pke clear wax dari meguiar's. Pokoknya satu arah aja, ga usah bikin bulet2, kalo udah lap juga seperti pas nge wax. Tapi tetep swirl aja... Tapi kalo manggil meguiar's radio dalem kerumah, mobil gw kinclong banget, ga pke swirl... Perlu belajar sama masternya nih...
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@naldo
Gw selalu cuci wax sndr alhamdulillah blm ada swirl..apa karna warna motor gw silver yah..mgkin pad nya kotor bro??
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Trs klo sblm wax kr2 bagusan pake dc2 apa mothers CW ya?? Mending polish.. Ato cw ya..
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@naldo
jangan2 pada waktu nge wax mobilnya berdebu?
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nikki wrote: @ddoctor
Trs klo sblm wax kr2 bagusan pake dc2 apa mothers CW ya?? Mending polish.. Ato cw ya..
sebenernya kalo lo pakek CW berarti lo dah ngewax juga. Wax lagi gak gtu perlu karena lo 5hari sekali wax.
Pakek DC2 buat lo ngerjain full step. Jadi clean, polish, baru wax. Kalo lo wax, terus 5 hari kemudian DC2 rasanya gak ngaruh. Karena masih ada lapisan wax di cat lo.
Mending CW. 1 step aja. Dengan sekali2 clean bener or clay or swirl remover kalo muncul swirl.
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@naldo
nyucinya gmana? Pakek aplikator apa? N lap.nya apa?
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naldo wrote:Kalo moles sendiri gw, kenapa ga bisa kalo ga swirl yah? Gw pke clear wax dari meguiar's. Pokoknya satu arah aja, ga usah bikin bulet2, kalo udah lap juga seperti pas nge wax. Tapi tetep swirl aja... Tapi kalo manggil meguiar's radio dalem kerumah, mobil gw kinclong banget, ga pke swirl... Perlu belajar sama masternya nih...
bro naldo, nikki & ddoctor serta teman2 yg lain, minta comment dong, hasil moles sendiri yang gw attach fotonya kemarin itu (Ford Escape) cukup kinclong ngga?
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Kadang kekinclongan kurang bs ditangkap oleh kamera, apalagi gak ada poto before afternya..
Kalo poto bro vim di atas, imho, warna itemnya kurang keluar, ato mgkn krn pencahayaan ato resolusi kamera? Ntaar cb moles lg bro, dan motonya agak sorean...wekekekekekkee
Cmiiw..gw msh blm ahli utk inspeksi kerjaann, bro gio tuh masternya..
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@vim
Waduh ingin rasanya kasih comment bro,tp gw browsing pake hp, jd ga gt keliatan, klo yg gw liat sih "cling" bro.. :off_good_job:
@ddoctor
Emang kalo mau polish tanpa pake cleaner sblumnya ga bole ya om? Misal cuci ,trus lgsg polish? Maap ni om byk tanya..jgn kapok yah..namanya jg newbie..hihihi.. :big_peace:
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Abu2 wrote:Kadang kekinclongan kurang bs ditangkap oleh kamera, apalagi gak ada poto before afternya..
Kalo poto bro vim di atas, imho, warna itemnya kurang keluar, ato mgkn krn pencahayaan ato resolusi kamera? Ntaar cb moles lg bro, dan motonya agak sorean...wekekekekekkee
Cmiiw..gw msh blm ahli utk inspeksi kerjaann, bro gio tuh masternya..
iya itu dia, satu masalah SCape ini warna hitamnya bukan hitam pekat, tapi model kaya smarack black (hitam ke-biru/ke-abu2an) di foto pas jam 10 pagi. Abis ini mau coba moles Vios warna silver, arsenal juga baru nambah nih jadi:

1. Meg Clay
2. Meg QuickDetailer
3. Meg Cleaner Wax
4. Meg TechWax
5. TurtleWax Tar & Bug Remover
6. nyoba polisher merek Krisbow ukuran 7"

mau cari waktunya dulu :) nanti coba foto before & after, thanx ya buat commentnya
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nikki wrote:@vim
Waduh ingin rasanya kasih comment bro,tp gw browsing pake hp, jd ga gt keliatan, klo yg gw liat sih "cling" bro.. :off_good_job:
didownload dong fotonya ke PC he..he.. biar tau kira2 kurangnya dimana aja, masih belajar nih :)
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Aha, banyak pelurunya, jgn sampai terbalik2 urutan pakainya yah...selamat berjuang bro...ditunggu pic nya... :D
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Abu2 wrote:Aha, banyak pelurunya, jgn sampai terbalik2 urutan pakainya yah...selamat berjuang bro...ditunggu pic nya... :D
iya kemaren baru nyoba2 aja sih. Kalo sekarang mau coba detail bener2. Kemaren stepnya:

1. Car Wash, Dry & clean
2. Apply Kit Tire Shine buat ban
3. Apply ScratchX di beberapa bagian
4. Apply QuickWax
5. Finishing & foto :)

terlalu cepet sih ya prosesnya. Mulai jam 5.30 (tidak termasuk car wash, karena udah di car wash di bengkel hari sebelumnya), selesai jam 10.00.

Nanti nexttime mau coba step berikut: (please correct ya kalo ada yang salah :))
1. Car Wash (bengkel automatic car wash)
2. Scanning & cleaning noda2 dengan Turtlewax Tar & Bug remover
3. scanning apa perlu ada yang di poles pake clay + QuickDetailer
4. check diraba apa sudah licin semua permukaannya
5. Apply CleanerWax
6. check lagi apakah sudah siap & bersih buat di wax
7. Wax dgn TechWax (kali ini ngga pake QuickWax, mau coba techWax nih)
8. Finishing.

Kira2 begitu apakah ada yang salah/terbalik2? mohon petunjuk para pakar di sini :)

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Nubie mw cb jawab..
Keknya step2nya dah bnr tu bro,tp keknya abis pake clay ada baeknya pake cleaner > polish > wax.. 12 jam kmudian baru deh pake QDnya..cmiiw ya suhu2..

Gw msh bingung nih, klo mau polish tp ga pake cleaner sblmnya tu bole gk yah..?
Ohya kapan ni ada gath genkpoles.. Biarpun gw motor sendirian blh ikt ga?? tp gw antusias bgt ama ilmu2 suhu dsni.. Kbtulan suka bantu2 poles mbl sodara..
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@vim
gw komen 1 stepnya yang paling gak bener. Cuci mobil otomatis? Gw yakin cat nya udah pada swirl. Jangan pernah serahin cuci mobil ke siapa pun. Kecuali lo nyuci di megs radal or di cuciin detailer beneran.
Kalo foto, coba foto close up yang ada pantulan sumber cahaya (matahari, lampu, dll). Baru keliatan swirlnya.
Coba tambahin step cleaner or scratch x setelah clay.
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vim wrote: bro naldo, nikki & ddoctor serta teman2 yg lain, minta comment dong, hasil moles sendiri yang gw attach fotonya kemarin itu (Ford Escape) cukup kinclong ngga?
Cukup susah kaseh comment nya bro, krn before nya kaga dikaseh liat. Nah untuk membandingkannya ane mo kasih sedikit saran neh, gimana klo nt polesin boil ane dulu, jadi before nya dipoto dulu kmd afternya nt poto lagi. Trus potonya di upload disene, jadi rekan2 yg lain bisa kasih comment yg baik n benar.
Ane kaga keberatan loh, beneran neh klo nt mo poles boil ane..........hehehe......... :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
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nikki wrote:Nubie mw cb jawab..
Keknya step2nya dah bnr tu bro,tp keknya abis pake clay ada baeknya pake cleaner > polish > wax.. 12 jam kmudian baru deh pake QDnya..cmiiw ya suhu2..

Gw msh bingung nih, klo mau polish tp ga pake cleaner sblmnya tu bole gk yah..?
Ohya kapan ni ada gath genkpoles.. Biarpun gw motor sendirian blh ikt ga?? tp gw antusias bgt ama ilmu2 suhu dsni.. Kbtulan suka bantu2 poles mbl sodara..
oh ok. tapi polish nya pake apa? maksudnya apakah meratakan cleanerwax nya? harus curing 12 jam dulu ya sebelum wax?
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nikki wrote: Gw msh bingung nih, klo mau polish tp ga pake cleaner sblmnya tu bole gk yah..?

Gini bro nikki, mungkin ada salah persepsi dengan produk Meguiar's.
Dalam terminologi Meguiar's, mereka nyebut polish itu bukan polish tapi cleaner.
Sedangkan produk dengan nama polish itu hanya pure polish, gak ada abrasive atau larutan untuk membersihkan permukaan dari kontaminasi atau menghilangkan sisa wax dari wax yg sebelumnya.
Meguiar's Deep Crystal Polish (DC2) itu sebenarnya namanya glaze, memberikan efek wetlook khusus mobil cat single stage (non clear coat).

Nambahin comment nikki:
pemakaian QD itu boleh saat ngebuff terutama saat bersihin sisa wax NXT, supaya gak smearing. Pakai pas nanti setelah 12 jam juga ok.

@vim
hasil lumayan ok bro, tp kalau dikerjain ama enthusiast pasti beda jauh. ya ga papa, kita sama-sama belajar supaya bro vim juga ngerti tahapan-2 yg bener. Memang ada baiknya ada foto before. biar nanti pas afternya keliatan.
Contoh cara ngambil fotonya biar jelas dilihat:
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untuk aplikasi scratchX sebaiknya minimal 3 kali, kalau mau lebih maksimal 5 kali, di area yg sama.
untuk clay, sebaiknya digunakan di seluruh panel. cara test bagian yg harus di clay yaitu dengan meraba permukaan dgn kantong plastik buah.
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ddoctor wrote:@vim
gw komen 1 stepnya yang paling gak bener. Cuci mobil otomatis? Gw yakin cat nya udah pada swirl. Jangan pernah serahin cuci mobil ke siapa pun. Kecuali lo nyuci di megs radal or di cuciin detailer beneran.
Kalo foto, coba foto close up yang ada pantulan sumber cahaya (matahari, lampu, dll). Baru keliatan swirlnya.
Coba tambahin step cleaner or scratch x setelah clay.
iya blm check lagi sih soal swirlnya, tapi memang kalo kena yang muter2 itu bisa swirl ya, di internet juga bilang gitu. Kalo di cuci manual di bengkel yang pake lifter gitu + snow wash bgmn aman ngga? Iya nanti fotonya akan gw coba detail. Aman ngga setelah clay pake scratchX? tapi scratchx bukan compound sih ya? kalo pake compound untuk lecet kecil2 pake apa ya yg bagus? pake Autosol bisa ngga?
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sjamsul wrote:
vim wrote: bro naldo, nikki & ddoctor serta teman2 yg lain, minta comment dong, hasil moles sendiri yang gw attach fotonya kemarin itu (Ford Escape) cukup kinclong ngga?
Cukup susah kaseh comment nya bro, krn before nya kaga dikaseh liat. Nah untuk membandingkannya ane mo kasih sedikit saran neh, gimana klo nt polesin boil ane dulu, jadi before nya dipoto dulu kmd afternya nt poto lagi. Trus potonya di upload disene, jadi rekan2 yg lain bisa kasih comment yg baik n benar.
Ane kaga keberatan loh, beneran neh klo nt mo poles boil ane..........hehehe......... :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
he..he.. mobilnya apaan pak?