Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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Btw, masa kurang meyakinkan yang di gambar? Perlu di buktikan langsung bawa mobilnya? weheheheheh
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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Yakin bro dapet 160 Hpan dengan 0,3-0,4 bar?,.
hitungan kasarnya setiap 0.5 bar bisa dapet 50 % dari tenaga standart
Klo 0.3 bar jua ga jauh2 dari 30% dari tenaga standart,.atau cuma 30 HP,.otal 130 HP itupun masih di mesin belum di roda,.Dan toleransi matik biasanaya 30 persen juga dari standart

Vios turbo 0,3 bar aj cuman dapet 146 HP dimesin,.


Klo di roda 160 HP kira2 SX4 ente udah 180-200 HP dan secara teoritis berani tekanan turbo=1bar,dengan kompresi awal sebelu turbo 7:1-7,8:1,.
mengingat kompresi standart SX 4 dikisaran 9-10 (bener ga?) atau setidaknya masih diatas 8 berarti sx 4 anda bisa jebol seharusnya,.
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Bos, ane pke intercooler segede gaban n oil cooler + piggyback. Di dyno on wheel dapet 144BHP n di flywheel secara teoritis bisa dapet 160-170HP, ga 180-190HP, itu sih udah 0.5 bar x. Kompresi standar mobil 9, ga jebol bos. Audi aja berani pke kompresi 10, 0.5 bar, 200HP. Nyantai aja lah bro, yang setel orang jepangnya, bukan orang indo. Kalo ampe jebol, ya salah si jepang, dia kan yang setel.
Kalo tenaga cuma dapet 130HP, itu ga pke intercooler bos. Kalo bos ga percaya, tanya aja ma swift yang ikut swift turbo HKS competition. Itu cuma di setel 0.4 bar, pke full set kaya saya punya, dapet 185HP, torsi 235NM. Pernah di review ma majalah motor. Makanya nanti saya ambilin kertas dyno testnya. Supaya orang2 percaya. Lagian, saya juga bukan boong belaka, tapi kenyataan aja...
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oh ya, kompresi 9 tuh termasuk rendah bos. Bar di atas 0.5-1, itu perlu kompresi ane turunin. Kalo street use, ga usah koq
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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ya udah lah bro. ntar dyno pics prove everything.. :D
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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Dyno dimana bos?
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Dyno sheet ane ga tau kapan ya bisa dapet, bis yang urus bokap ane bukan ane. Ane cuma tinggal pke aja. Rasanya dyno di KS nusa d. Tumben2an itu bisa dyno matic, biasanya pada bilang ga bisa.
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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naldo wrote:Bos, ane pke intercooler segede gaban n oil cooler + piggyback. Di dyno on wheel dapet 144BHP n di flywheel secara teoritis bisa dapet 160-170HP, ga 180-190HP, itu sih udah 0.5 bar x. Kompresi standar mobil 9, ga jebol bos. Audi aja berani pke kompresi 10, 0.5 bar, 200HP. Nyantai aja lah bro, yang setel orang jepangnya, bukan orang indo. Kalo ampe jebol, ya salah si jepang, dia kan yang setel.
Kalo tenaga cuma dapet 130HP, itu ga pke intercooler bos. Kalo bos ga percaya, tanya aja ma swift yang ikut swift turbo HKS competition. Itu cuma di setel 0.4 bar, pke full set kaya saya punya, dapet 185HP, torsi 235NM. Pernah di review ma majalah motor. Makanya nanti saya ambilin kertas dyno testnya. Supaya orang2 percaya. Lagian, saya juga bukan boong belaka, tapi kenyataan aja...
Bro klo 144 hp di roda ga mungkin klo cuma 160-170 HP di mesin,.
Saya ada pict eterna yang diturboin tapi lihat HP eterna waktu belum diturboin (masih N/A)
Disitu tertulis N/A cuma 110,6 WHP padahal power di mesin 145 HP,.
Reduksi powernya 35 hp lebih,.
Klo anda 144 hp diroda berarti di mesin anda kira2 179 HP,.itu berrti anda ada kenaikan 79 hp,.
Setau saya dari REV dan nurik untuk kenaikan 30 HP saja ada penyesuaian di stroker kit apalagi 79 HP,.
Tapi hebat si jepang itu,.
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Saya sih ikutin orang jepang aja. Otaknya orang jepang lebih encer soal beginian, apalagi yang buat balap itu, udah dibikin 185HP, jadi sekitar naek 85% dari power standar. Mereka udah itung bahwa ga perlu ganti stroker kitnya, cuma standar aja cukup, ya udah, kita ikutin aja. Toh di jepang mereka juga ga ganti macem2 buat mesin M15A. Kalo mau dibikin 300HP, baru itu harus full tuned stage 3... Coba tanya saja sama yang pasang turbo di swift or turbo taiwan merek ZAGE, mereka tanpa robah apa2, bisa dapet 170-180HP. Makanya saya kepingin skul di jepang untuk urusan beginian, karena mereka cikal bakal bermain setting turbo.
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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nanti pulang sekolah, setelah nambah elmunya... harus bisa bikin mobil made in indonesia yang bagus yah bro naldo....
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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nonton dulu ah
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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lagi pada ambil nafas...
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nonton apaan bos satyr? pada dasarnya sih, inti mesinnya, ga di utak atik, standar ae. Di swift competition or street use, pasti mereka ga perlu macem2 koq. Kaya jazz/yaris pasang turbo se kit, bisa dapet segituan juga koq, kan ini barang bolt on buat mobil masing2. Bukan copotan or turbo yang beli bukan buat mobil tersebut. So mereka sudah menyesuaikan lah... Hasil dyno sabar2 aja, ga ada di tangan... Mungkin di bawa ke jepang x, buat bukti RnD
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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power udah jadi setara 2500cc...
apalagi asumsi persentase powerloss di transmisi matic lebih besar drpd manual, walaupun berbeda2 relatif tiap mobil.
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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Vios mana mungkin pake turbo klo stroker standart?
Vios turbo strokernya aja dah beda ma vios non turbo,.

perasaan paket turbo o.5 bar di rev dah termasuk stroker deh,.Ah tau lah,.
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apakah HKS bikin stroker kit buat vios? Kalo emang mesti diganti, pastilah HKS punya. Kalo HKS ga punya, tandanya mereka langsung templok, but since kompresi di atas 9 semua, mau ga mau di turunin. Untung mobil ane cuma 9, jadi dah termasuk rendah...
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maaf kalo ane ngomong agak ngotot ya bro paddock. Tapi saya menghargai semua pendapat anda n juga menambah pengetahuan bagi saya. Thanks
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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kan vios turbo ada versi stock, tinggal upgrade?
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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yup vios turbo ada versi stock tapi stroker kit beda non turbo soalnya kompresi standartnya diatas 10.5,.Klo upgrade blum tau,.

Ya gapapa bro naldo namanya h\juga discuss,.Saya cuma saran saja supaya hati2 ke stroker kitnya,.Apalagi matiknya om,,
Banyak temen saya matiknya jebol kena turbo,.
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Makanya ane juga ga berani bejek gas pas start, takut over wheelspin n matic ga tahan. Jadi kalo pas 0-40/50 Kmh, gas ga usah di bejek, pas pindah gigi 2, baru bejek daleman, ga berani bejek abis2 banget, unless di atas 100Kmh. Saya mengerti bahwa mobil standar cuma 100HP, trus di ubah pke turbo n transmisi ga di utak utik, standar semua n matic lagi. Kalo orang yang terlalu nafsu, jadilah jebol. Tapi kalo audi sih, itu emang sudah di design maticnya, n DSG lagi... wadow.. Ga nahan d bos...
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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boost brp bar neh?

gw tau kok kisaran boosted M15A kira2 brp :D
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boost cuma 0.4 bar d disetelnya. Cuma karena matic, tenaga agak diturunin sama jepangnya. Ga kaya di swift manual, bisa 185HP di flywheel. Mungkin kalo ane cuma 170an HP.
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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aduh ini matic ya.. lupa...

gak tuh 0,5 bar + swift manual = 170 hp @ 6000 rpm on engine
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Itu turbo kit-nya HKS apa Zage taiwan? Kalo HKS dapet 185HP di mesin lho...
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Re: Neo Baleno 2008 - Part 02

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enakan pake turbo Mazda RX 7 dipasang di 3SGTE,.hehe
Klo kelas vios cukup TD04 ato Nissan sylvia? 16 valves
Mau lebih? Pasang Turbo TD05 dengan tekanan 1 bar+waste gate,BOV dan intercooler TRD klo mau turbo putaran bawah bisa pake ZAge,.Untuk sementara Yaris terkencang di Indonesia (as i know)punya OMS dengan 235 HP,.