sx4 Vs allnew vios

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tp suzy biasanya kurang di segi:
m/t : tuasnya kaku & agak keras, tidak silky smooth & enteng toyota, clutch engeagement juga lebih enak toyota & langsung 'nyamber'.
a/t : suzy biasanya kurang "pintar" drpd ECT-S, paling terasa, kalo diajak agresif or di tanjakan2.

nah, segi di atas , menang mana antara neo dan vios? juga agility nya.
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HilmanZ wrote:waduh Vios skrg da ketinggalan ya..hehe..kalo Vios gen 1 saya si mang berisik and krg nyaman di dlm.yg gen 2 jg msh gt y?
Vios gen1 sy malah tenang dan nyaman2 aja koq......
Kalo emang bener apa yg bro2 bilang ttg neobal diatas, berarti Baleno hebat juga dalam bbrp tahun udah bisa improve sebanyak itu soalnya gw pernah males beli baleno karena kurang puas dengan baleno 1.6l gen1 yg berisik bunyi geludukan di kaki2nya.
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HilmanZ wrote:waduh Vios skrg da ketinggalan ya..hehe..kalo Vios gen 1 saya si mang berisik and krg nyaman di dlm.yg gen 2 jg msh gt y?
bising bgt sih nggak juga,

cuma,
klo di compare sm SX-4/Neo-B,
jelas si suzi ini lbh hening & mesinnya halus
suara mesinya pun merdu bgt dr dalam

coba aja test drive di Suzi Pulogadung

free koq :mrgreen:
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baleno 1gen emang gitu, NVH nya kasar, getaran mesin terasa sampai tuas perseneling.
peripindahan gigi agak kaku; setir nya walaupun cukup enteng, kurang feeling.
lompatan improvement banyak sekali..
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GTR wrote:tp suzy biasanya kurang di segi:
m/t : tuasnya kaku & agak keras, tidak silky smooth & enteng toyota, clutch engeagement juga lebih enak toyota & langsung 'nyamber'.
a/t : suzy biasanya kurang "pintar" drpd ECT-S, paling terasa, kalo diajak agresif or di tanjakan2.

nah, segi di atas , menang mana antara neo dan vios? juga agility nya.
gue TD yg A/T

IMHO,
SX-4 A/T-nya emang gak agresif,
tp pindah giginya smooth bgt
& terbayar dgn kemantapan + kenyamanannya

(katanya si bro shadow mesinnya Neo-bal dia bs disetting di Be-Res & emang lbh agresif)

jgn bandingin ama Baleno Gen 1,
jauh bgt bro :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:
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gw tes aerio a/t ke luar kota gitu sih kasian sekali a/t nya apalagi cipularang & jalan menanjak pegunungan..
yg m/t jg terasa kaku perpindahan tuas nya, kurang mantap , ini sih ciri khas suzy dari jaman forsa, katana, esteem, escudo lama-baru, baleno, karimun, estilo.
blm tau deh yg ini, krn lalu cuma tesdrive sx4 cuma ada a/t & cuma sebentar.
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GTR wrote:gw tes aerio a/t ke luar kota gitu sih kasian sekali a/t nya apalagi cipularang & jalan menanjak pegunungan..
yg m/t jg terasa kaku perpindahan tuas nya, kurang mantap , ini sih ciri khas suzy dari jaman forsa, katana, esteem, escudo lama-baru, baleno, karimun, estilo.
blm tau deh yg ini, krn lalu cuma tesdrive sx4 cuma ada a/t & cuma sebentar.
mnrt kepala beres Suzi yg gue prnh tny,
A/T-nya ud Electronically Controlled

salah satu ciri2-nya ketauan dr pindah gigi-nya SX-4 AT halus bgt
(klo jln santai gak terasa ud pindah gigi)

*klo A/T 4speed 1500cc sih emang boyo klo diajak jln tanjakan (puncak, cipularang, dsb)

gue prnh coba A/T-nya YARIS ke Jalur puncak,
terasa sekali "Power Loss-nya"
terutama pas di daerah jalur kebun teh menuju puncak pas
tuas AT di posisi 2,
& RPM ~3000, mau naek RPM lagi sgt sulit
padahal ud GAS POLL :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:

malah,
msh lebih ganas INNOVA Manual pny Gue drpd Yaris A/T klo ditanjakan :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:
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Bro Toyotalover,

Kalo Yarisnya "payah" di tanjakan, coba kuras dulu deh oli maticnya.
Gw juga pake Yaris A/T selama ini no problemo di tanjakan2 cipularang maupun puncak.

Malah Yaris ane malah lebih "sakti" dari Avanza 1.3 VVTi kakak gw, krn pernah sama2 menaiki tanjakan yg cukup terjal, avanzanya (isi 6 dewasa, 1 balita) ngeden berat & udah bau kopling hangus, Yaris (isi 3 dewasa 1 balita) ane santai2 aje.

Kalo Innova manual, no commentlah, muantapp di tanjakan.
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oot;
yg enak di tanjakan itu cvt nya jazz/city walaupun idsi 1.5L terasa santai, jauh deh dari 4a/t.
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M-90 wrote:Bro Toyotalover,

Kalo Yarisnya "payah" di tanjakan, coba kuras dulu deh oli maticnya.
Gw juga pake Yaris A/T selama ini no problemo di tanjakan2 cipularang maupun puncak.

Malah Yaris ane malah lebih "sakti" dari Avanza 1.3 VVTi kakak gw, krn pernah sama2 menaiki tanjakan yg cukup terjal, avanzanya (isi 6 dewasa, 1 balita) ngeden berat & udah bau kopling hangus, Yaris (isi 3 dewasa 1 balita) ane santai2 aje.

Kalo Innova manual, no commentlah, muantapp di tanjakan.
Kalo sama Avanza 1.3 sich ya iya lha bro menang Yaris kemana-mana :e-wall: :e-wall:
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toyotalover wrote:


(katanya si bro shadow mesinnya Neo-bal dia bs disetting di Be-Res & emang lbh agresif)
Yup bro..diSetting di Be-Res n jadi lebih agresif terutama terasa di Gear 1 & 2

Kalo gear 3 emang dari awal (tanpa disetting) udah kerasa banget tarikannya. Cuma males posting menang tarikan lawan x, y, z pasti banyak yang kritik. Yang pasti sich gw cuma bisa bilang, tarikan udah cukup ok dan lebih dari cukup untuk mobil sekelas 1500cc yang minum premium.

Kata Satyr udah ada result dragnya, dapet 18detik, dan katanya menang dari Swift n Yaris (Swift ke-2 n Yaris ke-3).

Dan sebenernya tarikan bener2 kerasa di gear 3 (yang bisa nyampe 130-135an) n gear 4 (yang bisa sampe 165-170an), n gear 5 belum coba bisa sampe berapa, jarang kesempatannya. :mrgreen:

Kira2 gitu kalo soal performa.

Di luar performa, udah ok banget, n sebaiknya daripada berdebat soal performa, test drive aja dulu dech..ntar baru bisa menilai :beer:
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GTR wrote:tp suzy biasanya kurang di segi:
m/t : tuasnya kaku & agak keras, tidak silky smooth & enteng toyota, clutch engeagement juga lebih enak toyota & langsung 'nyamber'.
a/t : suzy biasanya kurang "pintar" drpd ECT-S, paling terasa, kalo diajak agresif or di tanjakan2.

nah, segi di atas , menang mana antara neo dan vios? juga agility nya.
Neo M/T : Tuas sama sekali ga kasar, smooth, gw kemaren test GV juga, n JAUH BANGET enak Neo. Setelah disetting, performa bisa jadi lebih agresif. Tapi ga tau kalo dibandingin New Vios gimana, belum coba soalnya. :beer:
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vios akhirnya ketemu lawan yg kuat di IGTC..
pdhal neo ini harusnya 2000cc sih seperti di luar (M15A cuma kapasitas varian mesin terkecilnya) ya.
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kalo utk A/T nya bisa di setting jg biar lebih agresif ga?
kebetulan gw pake sx4, pengen jg nih biar tambah agresif gigi 1 nya

trus gimana cara ngomong ke montirnya?

buat antisipasi aja takutnya gw minta mobilnya biar lebih agresif gigi 1 nya, ntar dijawab pasang turbo aja hehehe
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lucky_strike_21 wrote:kalo utk A/T nya bisa di setting jg biar lebih agresif ga?
kebetulan gw pake sx4, pengen jg nih biar tambah agresif gigi 1 nya

trus gimana cara ngomong ke montirnya?

buat antisipasi aja takutnya gw minta mobilnya biar lebih agresif gigi 1 nya, ntar dijawab pasang turbo aja hehehe
Waduh kalo matic ga tau tuh ya bisa ato ngga :mrgreen:

Kalo gw sich waktu itu bilang, sukanya tarik2an, n montirnya bilang "Gimana kalo dibikin lebih responsif ?"

Gw bilang "Tambah boros gak ntar ??"

Jawabnya "Ga akan, cuma biar lebih agresif doank koq"

Terus gw jawab ok, n jadilah emang jadi Responsif n Agresif :mrgreen:
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GTR wrote:vios akhirnya ketemu lawan yg kuat di IGTC..
pdhal neo ini harusnya 2000cc sih seperti di luar (M15A cuma kapasitas varian mesin terkecilnya) ya.
Walah kalo 2000cc malah takutnya jadi boros n gak laku di Indo.. :mrgreen:
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Kalo urusan di sirkuit, gw masih pegang 1NZFE dibanding M15A.

Mesin 1NZFE punya "potensi" yg lebih baik dibanding M15A bahkan utk melawan mesin dgn kapasitas yg lebih besar.

Sukses Aldo (Tim Djarum TTI) menjuarai ITCC baik dgn Yaris maupun Vios dengan meng"asepin" Honda Estilo maupun Genio dgn kapasitas 1600cc menjadi bukti yang sahih.
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iya, tapi sama aja asepin produk 1992, yg cuma sohc non-variable valve pula.
tapi standar pun output 1NZ-FE lebih kuat drpd M15A
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GTR wrote:iya, tapi sama aja asepin produk 1992, yg cuma sohc non-variable valve pula.
tapi standar pun output 1NZ-FE lebih kuat drpd M15A
Betul bro..kalo potensi kayaknya lebih besar 1NZ-FE dibanding M15A :beer:
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Walaupun produk 1992, Civic Estilo telah bertahun-tahun jadi "raja" di ITCC dan baru kalah sama Yaris dan Vios dalam 2 tahun terakhir. Bahkan sodarenya yg lebih muda spt Jazz & City VTEC sangat sulit mengalahkan Estilo di Sentul

Dalam kondisi standar, gw sih pegang Civic Estilo (120 PS) dibanding New Vios (109 PS). Apalagi Estilo masih menjadi favorit utk Drag Race sampe saat ini.
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i vote for vios!!
ga masalah berisik, kan kalo uda ngebut ga peduli suaranya, yang penting tancap!!!! :upss: :upss:
ga masalah taksi, kalo neo baleno jadi taksi kali uda pensiun sebelum vios lama mau pensiun..
no ofens..
hwe..
toyota lovers..
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M-90 wrote:Bro Toyotalover,

Kalo Yarisnya "payah" di tanjakan, coba kuras dulu deh oli maticnya.
Gw juga pake Yaris A/T selama ini no problemo di tanjakan2 cipularang maupun puncak.

Malah Yaris ane malah lebih "sakti" dari Avanza 1.3 VVTi kakak gw, krn pernah sama2 menaiki tanjakan yg cukup terjal, avanzanya (isi 6 dewasa, 1 balita) ngeden berat & udah bau kopling hangus, Yaris (isi 3 dewasa 1 balita) ane santai2 aje.

Kalo Innova manual, no commentlah, muantapp di tanjakan.

YARIS-nya pny sepupu gue,
maybe krn blm tune-up aja + pake premium :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:

klo soal ganti ATF sih jgn ditanya,
gue saranin dia selalu ganti tiap 10rb KM
& dia ganti tiap 10rb KM :e-dance:
bkn "flush", tp "ganti"

tp jgn dibandingin ama avanza 1.3 laaaaaaaaaaaaa :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:
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GTR wrote:oot;
yg enak di tanjakan itu cvt nya jazz/city walaupun idsi 1.5L terasa santai, jauh deh dari 4a/t.
CVT jgn dibandingin ama matic konvensional bro :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:
krn tu CVT emang gakda jeda sm sekali :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:


izin OOT :mrgreen:

presentasi flash,
perbandingan CVT vs Matic biasa (non-CVT)
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt5.htm
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hansen90 wrote:i vote for vios!!
ga masalah berisik, kan kalo uda ngebut ga peduli suaranya, yang penting tancap!!!! :upss: :upss:
ga masalah taksi, kalo neo baleno jadi taksi kali uda pensiun sebelum vios lama mau pensiun..
no ofens..
hwe..
toyota lovers..
Emang yakin dari mana bro kalo Vios lebih tarik ?? Udah Test Drive ?? :mrgreen:

Tapi emang kalo cuma menurut perkiraan n teori sich, Vios lebih tarik :beer:
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^^

yup,
setubuh :beer:

di SM ini kita bicara fakta dilapangan.
Bukan teori, bullsh*t, ngalor ngidul, dsb


apalg klo tu vios sm2 pake premium :e-wall: :e-wall: :e-wall:

Yaris sepupu gue pake Premium,
berasa deh "boyo-nya" dibanding pake Shell Super / Pertamax :e-wall: :e-wall: