Jazz vs Livina

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Berdasarkan table diatas.... berarti JAZZ dan LIVINA 1.5 yg notabede bisa pake premium koq harus pake Pertamax PLUS????? mohon pencerahannya teman2.... masa kalo ga mengikuti RON yg benar piston kita bisa jadi jebol kaya gambar diatas? Berarti jangan beli mobil jazz yg pake premium yg udah jalan 100.000KM+ donk...
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Livina spec tertinggi ada ABS, EBD dan DUAL AIRBAG ga ya?? Kalo ga ada tetap aja livina kalah ama pesaing seperti JAZZ ABS/SRS, SWIFT, YARIS, dan HYUNDAI GETZ.
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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livina cuma dijual satu tipe aja XR - gak ada abs, ebd, airbag
malah sebelumnya mo ada versi standar SR tapi dibatalkan (kayak carry kali kelengkapannya yah) :D

dg fitur 'standar' seperti ini, harusnya livina maen di harga yg sama dg swift ST (125-135jt)
kalo lebih dari itu berarti overrate
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Leonhearts wrote:Livina spec tertinggi ada ABS, EBD dan DUAL AIRBAG ga ya?? Kalo ga ada tetap aja livina kalah ama pesaing seperti JAZZ ABS/SRS, SWIFT, YARIS, dan HYUNDAI GETZ.
yg Grand Livina ultimate aja single airbag, kayanya sih ga mungkin livina jadi double airbag, mau dijual harga berapa tuh
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kutkuy wrote:Berdasarkan table diatas.... berarti JAZZ dan LIVINA 1.5 yg notabede bisa pake premium koq harus pake Pertamax PLUS????? mohon pencerahannya teman2.... masa kalo ga mengikuti RON yg benar piston kita bisa jadi jebol kaya gambar diatas? Berarti jangan beli mobil jazz yg pake premium yg udah jalan 100.000KM+ donk...
itulah pinternya atpm. hare gene jualan mobil 150 jutaan, kalo bilang2 harus minum pertamax yaa ga laku. diakalin pake knocking sensor (livina,terios,rush udah pake. jazz ga tau deh). masalahnya, ini sensor kan bukan dirancang utk long term ngelitik. kalo memang dari pabrikan udah dirancang utk nenggak premium, harusnya di-set aja setelan pengapiannya dari pabrik, ngapain juga masang sensor yg punya lifetime. katanya sih bisa tahan 3 tahun (pemakaian normal). tapi kalo pake premium mulu, yaa tebak aja. lantas walaupun udah make sensor, kalo pake premium berarti kompresi mesin turun, efeknya tenaganya loyo. juga bisa numpuk kerak dan njelekin emisi (efek ke catalyc converter). jadi, IMHO, memang harus ati-ati kalo beli secondnya.
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lobak wrote:livina cuma dijual satu tipe aja XR - gak ada abs, ebd, airbag
malah sebelumnya mo ada versi standar SR tapi dibatalkan (kayak carry kali kelengkapannya yah) :D

dg fitur 'standar' seperti ini, harusnya livina maen di harga yg sama dg swift ST (125-135jt)
kalo lebih dari itu berarti overrate
betul tuh om. sblmnya banyak yg minat krn kirain main di 120jutaan (SR). kalo 130, atau bahkan 140, yaa mikir-mikir dulu, soale banyak pilihan yg lbh kumplit di harga segitu.
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fadjaralam wrote:
lobak wrote:livina cuma dijual satu tipe aja XR - gak ada abs, ebd, airbag
malah sebelumnya mo ada versi standar SR tapi dibatalkan (kayak carry kali kelengkapannya yah) :D

dg fitur 'standar' seperti ini, harusnya livina maen di harga yg sama dg swift ST (125-135jt)
kalo lebih dari itu berarti overrate
betul tuh om. sblmnya banyak yg minat krn kirain main di 120jutaan (SR). kalo 130, atau bahkan 140, yaa mikir-mikir dulu, soale banyak pilihan yg lbh kumplit di harga segitu.
kirain saya dulu malah kelas 100jt-an... hehehehehe! jazz kembali pada 140jt, new jazz di kelas 160jt. taunya... wak-waaaaaw... salah eke... :D
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Pricing structure jazz baru yg dihadapi HPM kali ini benar2 sangat sulit karena asumsi mesin (& lain2nya total) baru, kecuali keputusan yg jarang terjadi, honda "mau terpaksa agak kejam" mengikuti jalan produsen lain pakai mesin lama dulu (idsi & vtec), nanti setelah well-established baru pakai mesin baru (i-vtec).
Jazz baru dgn mesin baru yg diasumsikan tidak ada varian idsi ini hampir pasti varian terendahnya akan diatas harga jazz vtec saat ini 154jt, berarti paling tidak / minimal sekitar 158jt, (dan.... tanpa discount.
Sedangkan sama spt keputusan HPM sblmnya akan pilhan berbagai varian mesin jazz 1gen lalu, varian 1300cc yg baru sementara ini juga tidak ada nilai jualnya krn diskriminasi pajak utk kapasitas 1300cc blm ada, saat ini masih batas 1500cc.
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LIVINA X-OVER

Nah jadi ketara kan ground clearancenya...
Malah nyasar lawan suzuki nich.
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GTR wrote:Pricing structure jazz baru yg dihadapi HPM kali ini benar2 sangat sulit karena asumsi mesin (& lain2nya total) baru, kecuali keputusan yg jarang terjadi, honda "mau terpaksa agak kejam" mengikuti jalan produsen lain pakai mesin lama dulu (idsi & vtec), nanti setelah well-established baru pakai mesin baru (i-vtec).
Jazz baru dgn mesin baru yg diasumsikan tidak ada varian idsi ini hampir pasti varian terendahnya akan diatas harga jazz vtec saat ini 154jt, berarti paling tidak / minimal sekitar 158jt, (dan.... tanpa discount.
Sedangkan sama spt keputusan HPM sblmnya akan pilhan berbagai varian mesin jazz 1gen lalu, varian 1300cc yg baru sementara ini juga tidak ada nilai jualnya krn diskriminasi pajak utk kapasitas 1300cc blm ada, saat ini masih batas 1500cc.
wah berat nih kalo idsi di hapus, berarti startnya paling rendah juga 160 jt tuh new jazz
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x-overnya jauh lebih keren sx4, itu terlihat hatchback (kalo sulit disebut mpv & xover) yg diberi kombinasi warna hitam2 saja via polyurethane2 materialnya.
Livina/GL dibikin versi ini, versi itu, produknya jadi terkesan tidak eksklusif.
Dan jelas terlihat bahwa "darah"nya ternyata adalah utk General-Purpose, sudah jelas sebenarnya tentu bukan expertise-nya utk lawan jazz(di hatchback), sx4(di crossover), innova di MPV(maybe).
hmm.. cuma aja terlihat sekali yah menantang secara keras-langsung ke competitorya.
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GTR wrote:x-overnya jauh lebih keren sx4, itu terlihat hatchback (kalo sulit disebut mpv & xover) yg diberi kombinasi warna hitam2 saja via polyurethane2 materialnya.
Livina/GL dibikin versi ini, versi itu, produknya jadi terkesan tidak eksklusif.
Dan jelas terlihat bahwa "darah"nya ternyata adalah utk General-Purpose, sudah jelas sebenarnya tentu bukan expertise-nya utk lawan jazz(di hatchback), sx4(di crossover), innova di MPV(maybe).
hmm.. cuma aja terlihat sekali yah menantang secara keras-langsung ke competitorya.
untuk meramaikan pasar gitu... :D
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ongko wrote:LIVINA X-OVER

Nah jadi ketara kan ground clearancenya...
Malah nyasar lawan suzuki nich.
Menurut gw jelas masih keren sx4. Didandanin gini malah aneh. Kalo mo liat livina di-suv-kan ya murano.
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fadjaralam wrote:
ongko wrote:LIVINA X-OVER

Nah jadi ketara kan ground clearancenya...
Malah nyasar lawan suzuki nich.
Menurut gw jelas masih keren sx4. Didandanin gini malah aneh. Kalo mo liat livina di-suv-kan ya murano.
hahahaha! murano ama livina? ama SX4? waaaaa jauh dong, bukan lawan/beda kelas/beda segala2nya. murano terlalu tinggi, bro... :D
atau, murano kena gledek naaaah... jadi livina, iya.
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Wakakak..kuntet maksudnya gitu ya? Tp jd penasaran pengen liat livina yg katanya udh didandanin ntar pas launching. Brasil ga ngerubah image fam wagon?
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poeticmind wrote:hahahaha! murano ama livina? ama SX4? waaaaa jauh dong, bukan lawan/beda kelas/beda segala2nya. murano terlalu tinggi, bro... :D
atau, murano kena gledek naaaah... jadi livina, iya.
daleeeem.... daleem.....
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fadjaralam wrote:Wakakak..kuntet maksudnya gitu ya? Tp jd penasaran pengen liat livina yg katanya udh didandanin ntar pas launching. Brasil ga ngerubah image fam wagon?
semua mobil kalo didandanin ya pasti rubah image lah, tapi apa mau bapake saya nganggo livina pol performance? velg 18 ban tipis... alon2 kesuwen mas... ndek bandung jalanan berlobang.
eh, livina fam-wagon gitu? GL iya... kalo livina buat anak sma yg baru bisa nyetir.

yakin, pasti livina bakal laku di segment tertentu... liat aja.
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kita tunggu aja launcingnya....
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toyota ist 150X hatchback dijual brp ya? diatas 200?
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Kalau menurut majalah autobild,harganya 280jt..Mahal amat buat hatchback 1500cc,tambah dikit uda bisa ambil all new stream CBU...
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Brothers ....
kemarin gue ada ditelpon ama sales Nissan di MEDAN,
harga udah beredar, untuk Nissan Livina 5 seater dibanderol 148jt.
gue bilang, wow, lumayan tinggi juga.
katanya balik, iya.. karena ada beberapa perlengkapan GL 1,8 yang dipasang di Livina SR.

jadi kalo harga di Medan,
Nissan Grand Livina XV 1.5 M/T Rp. 157,5jt
sedangkan di Jkt Rp 150jt

berarti
Nissan Livina SR 1.5 M/T Rp. 148jt
di jkt sekitar Rp 140,5jt donks?

kira2 bisa dihitung kayak gitu ga ya ?
tapi sepertinya harga lumayan tinggi juga ya...
kirain pertama bisa di range 135 (harga Medan) gitu lohh....
maunya .............
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HS wrote:Kalau menurut majalah autobild,harganya 280jt..Mahal amat buat hatchback 1500cc,tambah dikit uda bisa ambil all new stream CBU...
wew! mahal bener... cuma krn CBU dan eco drive?! walah... :roll:

@che : kira2 begitulah... 140jt. mau ambil bro? review dong...! hehe :)
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che3300 wrote:...di jkt sekitar Rp 140,5jt donks?
kira2 bisa dihitung kayak gitu ga ya ?
tapi sepertinya harga lumayan tinggi juga ya...
kirain pertama bisa di range 135 (harga Medan) gitu lohh....
maunya .............
udah bang. udah confirmed. sales sini (jkt) juga udah nelpon, harganya 140.5jt. ga tau kok bisa sebegitu tinggi. udah pede kali ya. april lalu, GL heboh antara lain krn dijual mulai 138.5jt (walaupun udah gitu gitu naik), udah dapet nyaman en 7 seater. tapi katanya target jual livina memang hanya 750 sebulan bandingin ama GL (1.5 & 1.8) yg sekitar 1,500.
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weleh MT 140.5jt tinggi bgt, byebye Livina deh, gw ngga jd minat.
Harganya ngga menarik bgt imo, kecuali fog lampnya ud dapet by default. Setau gw XR by default blom ada fog lamp.
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