Grand Livina Users..! - PART 06

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blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:41
Itu kepala aki plus kl diganti bisa khan ya om klep? Ngga perlu ganti satu set ama fuse 100A nya :weekk:
Sdh agak penyok dan bautnya karatan :big_cry:
sharusnya sehh bisa yah

dl wkt beres ga sengaja bkin korslet fuse 100A saya, mreka cuman ganti fuse nya doank koq
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DOHC wrote:
supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 13:43 Om, mohon petunjuk. Di dus kopling set Livina L11 ini kode part ori atau key value. Barusan ganti kopling set gegara CSC jebol, kampas kopling dah habisIMG-20201120-WA0186.jpgIMG-20201120-WA0184.jpg
part number ny ud beda smua yah ama L10

dann yg buat nya pun ud beda

di L10, clutch cover ama disc buatan aisin thailand, CSC valeo italy
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CSC sekarang made in turkey
Clutch disc sama cover clutch made in korea. Kalo liat barang bekasnya produk pake valeo punya. Made in mana gak nampak
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supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 23:55
DOHC wrote:
supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 13:43 Om, mohon petunjuk. Di dus kopling set Livina L11 ini kode part ori atau key value. Barusan ganti kopling set gegara CSC jebol, kampas kopling dah habisIMG-20201120-WA0186.jpgIMG-20201120-WA0184.jpg
part number ny ud beda smua yah ama L10

dann yg buat nya pun ud beda

di L10, clutch cover ama disc buatan aisin thailand, CSC valeo italy

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CSC sekarang made in turkey
Clutch disc sama cover clutch made in korea. Kalo liat barang bekasnya produk pake valeo punya. Made in mana gak nampak
Kl valeo sehh outsource banyak om, bsa italy, bsa negara2 EU sana

Biasa d box nya d tulis sehh kmasan mana

Kl dl saya pake yg aisin thailand bawaan lmayan seh, bsa tahan ampe 90an rebu sblom selip parah, trus enaknya lg, biar kata odo tinggi, pedal nya masi tetep enteng
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Btw mengenai CSC jebol

Dl awal2 L10 kluar jg banyak kes CSC bocor koq, mau HR15 ampe Mr18 smua kena

Waktu itu dikasi tau ama kabeng batu makam nya, mungkin ad kesalahan pemasangan.. jd solusi nya, sblom dipasang, ntuh csc dmasukin minyak rem sikit, jd pas pertama engage ud ga peret lg seal karet nya
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supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 13:43 Om, mohon petunjuk. Di dus kopling set Livina L11 ini kode part ori atau key value. Barusan ganti kopling set gegara CSC jebol, kampas kopling dah habisIMG-20201120-WA0186.jpgIMG-20201120-WA0184.jpg
disininya ada cuma buat L10 :big_cry:
https://www.nissan.co.id/service-cost/g ... value.html
Beli dmn itu om?
Kl di champion motor biasanya diinfoin kok masuk yg mana.
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Ohh my badd

Cover disc ama kampas disc kuupleng L10 jaman saya dl buatan EXEDY thailand

Bukan AISIN thailand
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DOHC wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:30 Ohh my badd

Cover disc ama kampas disc kuupleng L10 jaman saya dl buatan EXEDY thailand

Bukan AISIN thailand
bukannya yg asli emang ini om?
kl yg oem buatan china apa indonesia gt.
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Switch Starter Livina itu Dinamo starter bukan ya?
Kok bentuknya Solenoid Valve 12 VDC di Livina matic....
kl manual posisinya dmn itu ya?
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blloewy wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:34
supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 13:43 Om, mohon petunjuk. Di dus kopling set Livina L11 ini kode part ori atau key value. Barusan ganti kopling set gegara CSC jebol, kampas kopling dah habisIMG-20201120-WA0186.jpgIMG-20201120-WA0184.jpg
disininya ada cuma buat L10 :big_cry:
https://www.nissan.co.id/service-cost/g ... value.html
Beli dmn itu om?
Kl di champion motor biasanya diinfoin kok masuk yg mana.
Orang bengkel Om yang nyarikan, mantan mekanik Nissan juga. Kebetulan bengkel rekanan Gravinci Riau. Saya terima bersih saja. Barang kopling set + jasa + stooring + ganti oli mesin, kena 3,5 jt. Kalo di beres kopling set 2,2 jt ongkos 900 rb belum ppn 10%
Umur mobil 6 tahun km 62rb. Cepat habis, lantaran jalan masuk ke gang udah belok patah mendaki pula, sempit. Kiri dinding orang kanan pagar orang. Kiri selamat, kanan kena. Sering selip kopling, gosong bau hamgus kopling
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supriyadi wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 16:36
blloewy wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:34
supriyadi wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 13:43 Om, mohon petunjuk. Di dus kopling set Livina L11 ini kode part ori atau key value. Barusan ganti kopling set gegara CSC jebol, kampas kopling dah habisIMG-20201120-WA0186.jpgIMG-20201120-WA0184.jpg
disininya ada cuma buat L10 :big_cry:
https://www.nissan.co.id/service-cost/g ... value.html
Beli dmn itu om?
Kl di champion motor biasanya diinfoin kok masuk yg mana.
Orang bengkel Om yang nyarikan, mantan mekanik Nissan juga. Kebetulan bengkel rekanan Gravinci Riau. Saya terima bersih saja. Barang kopling set + jasa + stooring + ganti oli mesin, kena 3,5 jt. Kalo di beres kopling set 2,2 jt ongkos 900 rb belum ppn 10%
Umur mobil 6 tahun km 62rb. Cepat habis, lantaran jalan masuk ke gang udah belok patah mendaki pula, sempit. Kiri dinding orang kanan pagar orang. Kiri selamat, kanan kena. Sering selip kopling, gosong bau hamgus kopling
asal ada jaminan dari yg masang ya gpp Om.
Sampe perlu stooring ya Om?
Ngga bisa pasang di rumah kah? krn mekaniknya pasti bisa ke rumah kayanya
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blloewy wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:56
supriyadi wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 16:36
blloewy wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:34

disininya ada cuma buat L10 :big_cry:
https://www.nissan.co.id/service-cost/g ... value.html
Beli dmn itu om?
Kl di champion motor biasanya diinfoin kok masuk yg mana.
Orang bengkel Om yang nyarikan, mantan mekanik Nissan juga. Kebetulan bengkel rekanan Gravinci Riau. Saya terima bersih saja. Barang kopling set + jasa + stooring + ganti oli mesin, kena 3,5 jt. Kalo di beres kopling set 2,2 jt ongkos 900 rb belum ppn 10%
Umur mobil 6 tahun km 62rb. Cepat habis, lantaran jalan masuk ke gang udah belok patah mendaki pula, sempit. Kiri dinding orang kanan pagar orang. Kiri selamat, kanan kena. Sering selip kopling, gosong bau hamgus kopling
asal ada jaminan dari yg masang ya gpp Om.
Sampe perlu stooring ya Om?
Ngga bisa pasang di rumah kah? krn mekaniknya pasti bisa ke rumah kayanya
Mobil terduduk dirumah Om, gak bisa gerak lagi. Bongkar pasang di garasi rumah. Dekat sekitaran Perawang ada juga bengkel, cuma part gak ada sama dia & agak ragu juga.
Mending yang pasti2 aja, toh juga kawan komunitas juga
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supriyadi wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:36
blloewy wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:56
supriyadi wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 16:36

Orang bengkel Om yang nyarikan, mantan mekanik Nissan juga. Kebetulan bengkel rekanan Gravinci Riau. Saya terima bersih saja. Barang kopling set + jasa + stooring + ganti oli mesin, kena 3,5 jt. Kalo di beres kopling set 2,2 jt ongkos 900 rb belum ppn 10%
Umur mobil 6 tahun km 62rb. Cepat habis, lantaran jalan masuk ke gang udah belok patah mendaki pula, sempit. Kiri dinding orang kanan pagar orang. Kiri selamat, kanan kena. Sering selip kopling, gosong bau hamgus kopling
asal ada jaminan dari yg masang ya gpp Om.
Sampe perlu stooring ya Om?
Ngga bisa pasang di rumah kah? krn mekaniknya pasti bisa ke rumah kayanya
Mobil terduduk dirumah Om, gak bisa gerak lagi. Bongkar pasang di garasi rumah. Dekat sekitaran Perawang ada juga bengkel, cuma part gak ada sama dia & agak ragu juga.
Mending yang pasti2 aja, toh juga kawan komunitas juga
Ga usa takut, kuupleng lipindut itu simple koq, gampang d bongpas nya, malah enak pake CSC, ud ga perlu takut deklaher melejit atau copot..

Yg penting sblom dipasang, CSC nya dimasukin minyak rem dl, jgn kosong peret gt
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Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
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kira2 livina L11 pakai coolant prestone biru masalah gak ya? soalnya terlanjut ganti itu wkwkwk
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blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya
b3rez wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:38 kira2 livina L11 pakai coolant prestone biru masalah gak ya? soalnya terlanjut ganti itu wkwkwk
gapapa koq
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DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:58
blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya
b3rez wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:38 kira2 livina L11 pakai coolant prestone biru masalah gak ya? soalnya terlanjut ganti itu wkwkwk
gapapa koq

Siaap, makasih Om :big_smile]
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DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:58
blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya

Owh tetep dari baut kupu2 radiator ya buangnya...ngga usah dari baut drain engine
Di Beres dikasi 3L engine coolant murni kagak dicampur air biar long life :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry:
padahal khan mestinya pake aja yg 30:70 ya u iklim disini :weekk:
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blloewy wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 14:02
DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:58
blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya

Owh tetep dari baut kupu2 radiator ya buangnya...ngga usah dari baut drain engine
Di Beres dikasi 3L engine coolant murni kagak dicampur air biar long life :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry:
padahal khan mestinya pake aja yg 30:70 ya u iklim disini :weekk:
kalau saya sih tadi buka drain plug dibawah radiator, ngerjain gini gara2 efek wfh tangan gatel liat youtube tutorial ganti coolant.
Screenshot_20201201-213559.png
pertimbangan pake PRESTONE READY TO USE COOLANT (33%) BLUE 3.78 L (saya beli 2), karena males nyampur2 air destilasi sama coolant nissan wkwkwk.

proses buang gelembung sengaja lama sekitar 30 menitan, sampe gelembung bener2 ilang n kipas radiator muter kenceng (ac saya idupin)

tulung dikoreksi kalau cara saya salah om2 sekalian
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b3rez wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 14:42
blloewy wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 14:02
DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:58

3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya

Owh tetep dari baut kupu2 radiator ya buangnya...ngga usah dari baut drain engine
Di Beres dikasi 3L engine coolant murni kagak dicampur air biar long life :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry:
padahal khan mestinya pake aja yg 30:70 ya u iklim disini :weekk:
kalau saya sih tadi buka drain plug dibawah radiator, ngerjain gini gara2 efek wfh tangan gatel liat youtube tutorial ganti coolant.

Screenshot_20201201-213559.png

pertimbangan pake PRESTONE READY TO USE COOLANT (33%) BLUE 3.78 L (saya beli 2), karena males nyampur2 air destilasi sama coolant nissan wkwkwk.

proses buang gelembung sengaja lama sekitar 30 menitan, sampe gelembung bener2 ilang n kipas radiator muter kenceng (ac saya idupin)

tulung dikoreksi kalau cara saya salah om2 sekalian
yup tepat skali

di lipina ga pake baut kupu2, yg ad baut plastik buat drain coolant nya

caranya ud bener koq, d lipina untungnya ga kaya di apanja yg ribet pala berbie musti buang angin sgala,

kl saya biasa mo mobil apapun kl ngisi coolant slalu posisi depan mobil ngedongak ke atas, krn sifat udara kan lebi enteng dr air, jd yah lebi cepet aj proses buang angin nya
blloewy wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 14:02
DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 13:58
blloewy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 Om Klep @DOHC...coolant Lipindut itu kapasitas brp L ya?
Kok di beres ganti dihitung kena 3L, bukannya coolant bawaan Nissan itu mesti dicampur air lagi ya?
Kl 3L coolant semua berarti tanpa campuran air :big_cry: :big_cry:
3 liter ? lah wong dl saya buang dr baut tap radiator + reservoir aj kuar nya bsa 3.5 literan lebih

siapin aj 4 liter, ganti sendiri d rumah modalin obeng plus gede buat buka baut tap nya

Owh tetep dari baut kupu2 radiator ya buangnya...ngga usah dari baut drain engine
Di Beres dikasi 3L engine coolant murni kagak dicampur air biar long life :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry:
padahal khan mestinya pake aja yg 30:70 ya u iklim disini :weekk:
satu lg, baut drain coolant di enjin blok lipina itu ada nya d posisi tengah2 enjin blok, yg ngadep header knalpot, musti ngolong utk akses nya

cuman saran saya sehh, kl emg ga perlu mending dbiarin aj, krn itu baut kuerassssss nya minta ampun buat di buka, dan ga ad ring washer nya
kcuali kl mo iseng2 berhadiah, monggo silahken

btw coolant dr beres itu setau saya pre diluted koq

dan umumnya beres di sini (kcuali toyota dgn slcc fabrikan, atau honda coolant warna biru, ini 2 2 nya 50 : 50 ) ngasi racikan nya 30 : 70
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DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 15:17
yup tepat skali

di lipina ga pake baut kupu2, yg ad baut plastik buat drain coolant nya

caranya ud bener koq, d lipina untungnya ga kaya di apanja yg ribet pala berbie musti buang angin sgala,

kl saya biasa mo mobil apapun kl ngisi coolant slalu posisi depan mobil ngedongak ke atas, krn sifat udara kan lebi enteng dr air, jd yah lebi cepet aj proses buang angin nya

Siip, terima kasih om @DOHC
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b3rez wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 16:08
DOHC wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 15:17
yup tepat skali

di lipina ga pake baut kupu2, yg ad baut plastik buat drain coolant nya

caranya ud bener koq, d lipina untungnya ga kaya di apanja yg ribet pala berbie musti buang angin sgala,

kl saya biasa mo mobil apapun kl ngisi coolant slalu posisi depan mobil ngedongak ke atas, krn sifat udara kan lebi enteng dr air, jd yah lebi cepet aj proses buang angin nya

Siip, terima kasih om @DOHC
Sama2 om
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Baru nonton di Youtube menurut
Worner Matic untuk filter oli CVT mobil mobil Nissan, tidak perlu mengganti filter oli Matic nya(yang berbentuk lempengan logam yg didalamnya ada filter berupa kasa kawat halus). Nice info
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Herman7103 wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 14:14 Baru nonton di Youtube menurut
Worner Matic untuk filter oli CVT mobil mobil Nissan, tidak perlu mengganti filter oli Matic nya(yang berbentuk lempengan logam yg didalamnya ada filter berupa kasa kawat halus). Nice info
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Tidak perlu dganti tp dr penjelasan nya tersirat tetep perlu dbersihin om, kcuali utk yg doyan penggantian atf sering banget

Kl mnurut saya seh, gapapa jg ganti, toh demi si AnGL 2014 1.5 CVT nya panjang umur.. toh ga seberapa mahal, ud cost break even dr pemakaian premium jg kan bertaon2

Saya aj di Hrv skrg, odo 130an rebu, ud ganti smua filter atf nya, walaupun bengkel bilang ga perlu..
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Re: Grand Livina Users..! - PART 06

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DOHC wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:29
Herman7103 wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 14:14 Baru nonton di Youtube menurut
Worner Matic untuk filter oli CVT mobil mobil Nissan, tidak perlu mengganti filter oli Matic nya(yang berbentuk lempengan logam yg didalamnya ada filter berupa kasa kawat halus). Nice info
Source:
Tidak perlu dganti tp dr penjelasan nya tersirat tetep perlu dbersihin om, kcuali utk yg doyan penggantian atf sering banget

Kl mnurut saya seh, gapapa jg ganti, toh demi si AnGL 2014 1.5 CVT nya panjang umur.. toh ga seberapa mahal, ud cost break even dr pemakaian premium jg kan bertaon2

Saya aj di Hrv skrg, odo 130an rebu, ud ganti smua filter atf nya, walaupun bengkel bilang ga perlu..
Mbah gmn sich....itu bengkel jelas2 bilang ngga perlu ganti...
Dan ngga ada bintangnya...
Dijamin kuat dan tahan lama transmisinya...
Padahal Mbah Plop aja sdh parno meskipun sering ganti CVTF pake Amsoil lagi 😂😂😂
nubie in all things - still need to learn
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Re: Grand Livina Users..! - PART 06

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blloewy wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:33
DOHC wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:29
Herman7103 wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 14:14 Baru nonton di Youtube menurut
Worner Matic untuk filter oli CVT mobil mobil Nissan, tidak perlu mengganti filter oli Matic nya(yang berbentuk lempengan logam yg didalamnya ada filter berupa kasa kawat halus). Nice info
Source:
Tidak perlu dganti tp dr penjelasan nya tersirat tetep perlu dbersihin om, kcuali utk yg doyan penggantian atf sering banget

Kl mnurut saya seh, gapapa jg ganti, toh demi si AnGL 2014 1.5 CVT nya panjang umur.. toh ga seberapa mahal, ud cost break even dr pemakaian premium jg kan bertaon2

Saya aj di Hrv skrg, odo 130an rebu, ud ganti smua filter atf nya, walaupun bengkel bilang ga perlu..
Mbah gmn sich....itu bengkel jelas2 bilang ngga perlu ganti...
Dan ngga ada bintangnya...
Dijamin kuat dan tahan lama transmisinya...
Padahal Mbah Plop aja sdh parno meskipun sering ganti CVTF pake Amsoil lagi 😂😂😂
Huss, mentang2 sampeyan ga pake lipindut metik

Btw, d vidio2 doi laen nya, doi blg koq kl filter yg wire mesh, tetep harus d bersihin

Sdgkan kl yg bukan wire mesh wajip d ganti jg kl ud waktu nya


Si mbah suhu propesor mah bentar lg jg ganti filter metik nya, percaya deh, paling lama odo 15 rebu jg bentar lg GK5 nya pasti ganti .. amsoil ama dia cuman buat ngeflush doank katanya
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir: