CVT vs Automatic
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CVT vs Automatic
Bro semua, saya terus terang tidak ngerti beda CVT dan Automatic. Ada yang bisa ngasih pencerahan?
Ada yang bilang kalau CVT tuh lebih banyalk negatif nya kalau dibandingkan transmisi automatic konvensinal, bener?
Ada yang bilang kalau CVT tuh lebih banyalk negatif nya kalau dibandingkan transmisi automatic konvensinal, bener?
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w kasi comment ahh...
since w dulu pernah pake boil trans CVT(honda Jazz)..bisa d blg..tuh boil ga kerasa giginya..
basically ini CVT ga ada pergantian giginya...ratio pulley nya berubah2 dimana automatic konvensional uda di fix...
mgkn gw rasa kekurangan trans CVT agak kurang reliable..and ga gt bisa disandingkan dgn mesin power gede...*ntah skg kl uda dikembangkan material beltnya*
just wanna share my shallow knowledge:)
since w dulu pernah pake boil trans CVT(honda Jazz)..bisa d blg..tuh boil ga kerasa giginya..
basically ini CVT ga ada pergantian giginya...ratio pulley nya berubah2 dimana automatic konvensional uda di fix...
mgkn gw rasa kekurangan trans CVT agak kurang reliable..and ga gt bisa disandingkan dgn mesin power gede...*ntah skg kl uda dikembangkan material beltnya*
just wanna share my shallow knowledge:)
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Wah, kacau balau nih. Para salesman koq tidak mengerti barang yg dijualnya?NissanLovers wrote:CVT itu adalah media yang digunakan pada transmisi matic. koq jadinya CVT vs automatic?binun gua

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Nih, baca disini :
http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... hlight=cvt
Hanya butuh beberapa detik saja buat mencarinya, begitu saja tidak mau repot. Parah
http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... hlight=cvt
Hanya butuh beberapa detik saja buat mencarinya, begitu saja tidak mau repot. Parah

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CVT menangnya di alusnya aja.. alus banget emang saking alusnya mala ga ada feelingnya.. kl gw pribadi lebih seneng matic yg ada tiptroniknya.. ky gw pk new city matic serba salah mu pk yg mn, pk 7-speed emang mantep tp kasar hentakannya, pk D biasa malah feelingnya ga ada apalagi pas mau nyalip,, biasa pas mu nyalip selalu gw geser ke S dulu.. kalo pk D tenaganya ga keluar..ZombiEE wrote:w kasi comment ahh...
since w dulu pernah pake boil trans CVT(honda Jazz)..bisa d blg..tuh boil ga kerasa giginya..
basically ini CVT ga ada pergantian giginya...ratio pulley nya berubah2 dimana automatic konvensional uda di fix...
mgkn gw rasa kekurangan trans CVT agak kurang reliable..and ga gt bisa disandingkan dgn mesin power gede...*ntah skg kl uda dikembangkan material beltnya*
just wanna share my shallow knowledge:)
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silahkan cek diGajah_Bengkak wrote:Kalau terios udah CVT kan ?
Emang CVT yang kayak gimana sih ???
http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... hlight=cvt
prinsipnya, cvt bekerja dengan belt dan pulley yang rasionya bisa berubah2(sifatnya kering).......sedangkan matic biasa bekerja dengan tekanan oli/hidrolik.
cvt kebanyakan di pakai di mesin2 kecil seperti skutik & mobil2 kecil.....setahu saya mesin yang paling gede pake cvt itu lancer SE-i 1800cc....
terios pake hidrolik biasa,bung.....
ciri2 cvt, bisa dilihat di brosur/spek mobil tsb. kalau matic biasa/tiptronic ada rasio gigi setiap tingkat kecepatan. sedangkan kalau cvt, rasiogiginya tidak ada karena variabel.......cuma ada rasio gigi maksumum dan minimum saja.
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Memang itulah sifatnya CVT, karena diciptakan bukan buat balapan tapi lebih kepada efisiensi untuk meminimalisir power loss.ZombiEE wrote:bung wa3mp...
dulu gue pake 7 speed mode tuh buat naek-turun gunung mantab tuh...ada engine brake, momentum mesinnya ga terbuang sia2...serasa f1 *f1 pura2 mksdnye*..hahahaha
Saya sendiri pakai CVT memang benar ga ada rasanya....kaya bawa mainan, tapi anggap aja itu malah kelebhannya.
Sebelumnya saya pakai mobil matik Steptronic, yaa masih ada hentakan karena masih konvensional, cuma ditambah mode manual aja, tapi memang tenaga dan engine brake keluar jika menggunakan mode tsb.
Kalo maunya seperti terasa perpindahan dll, kenapa ga sekalian manual aja?
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Mungkin untuk pasnya, perbandingan CVT dengan Matic itu kayak perbandingan antara Jazz Matic di Indonesia (CVT) dengan Jazz Matic di USA (conventional matic non-CVT)..... Gue sendiri penasaran gimana ya hasil comparison test-nya ??
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
CVT kalo mo di tambahin performa buat harian pake apa aja y?
air filter, volt stabilizer dll kerasa ga ya?
Kalo gak kerasa mending gak usah.. Gw dah coba di matik konvensional sih kerasa tarikan lebih mantap
Mohon masukannya..
air filter, volt stabilizer dll kerasa ga ya?
Kalo gak kerasa mending gak usah.. Gw dah coba di matik konvensional sih kerasa tarikan lebih mantap
Mohon masukannya..
Anda sudah TEST DRIVE belum?...
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
memang begitulah advantages CVT, ratio gear infinite cenderung ideal (relatif sesuai dgn mode yg dipilih) dan realtime/continuously diatur ecu perbandingan ratio nya.
kalo mau sensasi mirip a/t konvensional, bisa switch ke "manual 6/7speed mode" sampai "speed"nya ganti sendiri sekuensial diatur ecu tiap mendekati redline.
kalo mau sensasi mirip a/t konvensional, bisa switch ke "manual 6/7speed mode" sampai "speed"nya ganti sendiri sekuensial diatur ecu tiap mendekati redline.
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
kalau "feelnya" gimana antara keduanya bro ?
rata2, kita orang banyakan lbh suka yg mana ?
maksimal, berat kendaraan (massal) brp kg kah, biasanya CVT itu diaplikasikan ?
New Jazz kan bukan CVT lagi.... kira2 akan pada "kaget" nggak ya, dg perbedaan "feeling" nya ?
rata2, kita orang banyakan lbh suka yg mana ?
maksimal, berat kendaraan (massal) brp kg kah, biasanya CVT itu diaplikasikan ?
New Jazz kan bukan CVT lagi.... kira2 akan pada "kaget" nggak ya, dg perbedaan "feeling" nya ?
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
feel nya ada kesan agak 'weird' bagi most orang saat pertama coba, karena kesan koq rpmnya ga naik2, di tambah gas dikit lagi juga kadang naik sedikit juga, yg karena memang ratio nya sedang continuosly menyesuaikan seiring naiknya kecepatan.
CVT halus tanpa jeda, dan engine brake pd cvt juga terasa halus.
gw pribadi lebih suka CVT, tapi sebagian orang suka steps gear changing sensation (jeda2), apalagi eropa, makanya ada m/t yg "otomatis" : Dual-clutch.
CVT saat ini masih ada limit besar torque dan juga bobot, nissan sudah sangat bagus bisa aplikasi di 3500cc nya, generasi selanjutnya pasti lebih baik lagi.
malah ga kaget kali, secara jazz baru 5speed a/t (ada jeda).
CVT halus tanpa jeda, dan engine brake pd cvt juga terasa halus.
gw pribadi lebih suka CVT, tapi sebagian orang suka steps gear changing sensation (jeda2), apalagi eropa, makanya ada m/t yg "otomatis" : Dual-clutch.
CVT saat ini masih ada limit besar torque dan juga bobot, nissan sudah sangat bagus bisa aplikasi di 3500cc nya, generasi selanjutnya pasti lebih baik lagi.
malah ga kaget kali, secara jazz baru 5speed a/t (ada jeda).
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
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hmmm... soal power & torque limited in CVT..
please see this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UpBKXMRto
versi CVT...lebih cepat dari versi semi-manualnya (DSG)..
tapi blm apa2 udah di banned duluan, krn ditemukan keretakan serius di belt-nya, setelah sesi test bbrp lap
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/03/b ... ssion-cvt/
*kelemahan CVT..tidak bisa dipakai untuk mobil2 yg pny power & torsi super
keunggulan CVT..performanya terbaik, mengalahkan versi semi-manualnya (DSG, dsb)
hmmm... soal power & torque limited in CVT..
please see this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UpBKXMRto
versi CVT...lebih cepat dari versi semi-manualnya (DSG)..
tapi blm apa2 udah di banned duluan, krn ditemukan keretakan serius di belt-nya, setelah sesi test bbrp lap

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/03/b ... ssion-cvt/
*kelemahan CVT..tidak bisa dipakai untuk mobil2 yg pny power & torsi super


keunggulan CVT..performanya terbaik, mengalahkan versi semi-manualnya (DSG, dsb)

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Re: CVT vs Automatic
di video f1 tsb yg sudah begitu advanced cvt nya (juga powernya). tapi maybe daya tahan belum se-advanced "gear" transmission, tapi ini masalah waktu saja kalo utk passanger cars.
interestingnya di indo, khususnya market 'gemuk' (150jt mobil kecil, bukan kelas 300jt ke atas) masi lebih suka a/t biasa drpd cvt, maybe karena impresi2 ini
* CVTs operate smoothly. This can give a perception of low power, because many drivers expect a jerk when they begin to move the vehicle. The expected jerk of a non-CVT can be emulated by CVT control software though, eliminating this marketing problem.
* Since the CVT keeps the engine turning at constant RPM over a wide range of vehicle speeds, pressing on the accelerator pedal will make the car move faster but doesn't change the sound coming from the engine as much as a conventional automatic transmission gear-shift. This confuses some drivers and, again, leads to an impression of a lack of power.
* CVT torque handling capability is limited by the strength of their transmission medium (usually a belt or chain), and by their ability to withstand friction wear between torque source and transmission medium for friction-driven CVTs. CVTs in production prior to 2005 are predominantly belt or chain driven and therefore typically limited to low powered cars and other light duty applications. Units using advanced lubricants, however, have been proven to support any amount of torque in production vehicles, including that used for buses, heavy trucks, and earth moving equipment.
* Any kind of automatic transmission may be rejected in some areas, due to cost or tradition. The small car market in Europe seems to be one of the most suspicious. In the USA and in Japan automatic cars have been widely accepted in all size classes.
interestingnya di indo, khususnya market 'gemuk' (150jt mobil kecil, bukan kelas 300jt ke atas) masi lebih suka a/t biasa drpd cvt, maybe karena impresi2 ini
* CVTs operate smoothly. This can give a perception of low power, because many drivers expect a jerk when they begin to move the vehicle. The expected jerk of a non-CVT can be emulated by CVT control software though, eliminating this marketing problem.
* Since the CVT keeps the engine turning at constant RPM over a wide range of vehicle speeds, pressing on the accelerator pedal will make the car move faster but doesn't change the sound coming from the engine as much as a conventional automatic transmission gear-shift. This confuses some drivers and, again, leads to an impression of a lack of power.
* CVT torque handling capability is limited by the strength of their transmission medium (usually a belt or chain), and by their ability to withstand friction wear between torque source and transmission medium for friction-driven CVTs. CVTs in production prior to 2005 are predominantly belt or chain driven and therefore typically limited to low powered cars and other light duty applications. Units using advanced lubricants, however, have been proven to support any amount of torque in production vehicles, including that used for buses, heavy trucks, and earth moving equipment.
* Any kind of automatic transmission may be rejected in some areas, due to cost or tradition. The small car market in Europe seems to be one of the most suspicious. In the USA and in Japan automatic cars have been widely accepted in all size classes.
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Re: CVT vs Automatic
Bagaimana kalau CVT dibandingkan dengan invecs III ?