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Liat foto2 itu, jadi pengeeen ke Kalimantan lagi... *hiks*

Alamnya memang eksotik. Ya langitnya, lanskap nya, topografi nya, bda banget.




Liat mobil kotor, jadi keinget mudik kemaren.... pas musim kering kerontang bikin sumur asat, mobil mudik kok ngga keliatan kotor2 nya sama sekali siy? Kok hanya debu? Kok masih lebih kotor Kuda Diesel babeh di Jogja dibanding mobil yang mudik??

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Uda coba pulau Derawan om VM? Kapan ada waktu kita ke Kaltim yuk? Ane sejak ninggalin Tenggarong '86 uda gak pernah balik hehehe....

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FMEAKD wrote:btw om mana yang jadul ya :mky_01:
Kayanya yg hitam paling ujung, 4M40.
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Nightster Guy wrote:Yang no 2 dari kiri keknya.... :mky_06:
tebakan ane yang paling kanan nih..
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Nightster Guy wrote:Uda coba pulau Derawan om VM? Kapan ada waktu kita ke Kaltim yuk? Ane sejak ninggalin Tenggarong '86 uda gak pernah balik hehehe....

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Pulau Derawan ...?

Paling jauh sih macam ke tempat tambang KPC ama Balikpapan, om.... :ungg: :ungg:

Orang pedalaman utan.... :mrgreen:
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Berhubung solar langka di kalimantan dan suka habis seminggu kadang cuma sekali ada serta waktu pengiriman tidak tertentu dan jualnya juga suka suka kadang ada solar pas malam malam kadang pas pagi pagi eh siang udah gak jual lagi maka saya mengambil iniasiatif untuk menabung solar 2 jeriken @ 21 liter , :wkkk:
takutnya gak ada solar selama seminggu . kemarin pas jelang idul adha solar habis mana SPBU banyak yg tutup gue jadi dag dig dug gimana kalau tiba tiba mogok kehabisan solar mana Timor masih di bengkel lagi


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mungkin utk diesel2 commonrail di daerah2 yg kualitas solar nya agak jelek bisa coba pake metode ini nehh..

http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... Bikin-Lega

2 filter solar buat nyaring... btw, kalo 2 filter solar gt emang nya bisa nurunin kadar sulfur yg tinggi di solar subsidi kita nehh ??
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DOHC wrote:mungkin utk diesel2 commonrail di daerah2 yg kualitas solar nya agak jelek bisa coba pake metode ini nehh..

http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... Bikin-Lega

2 filter solar buat nyaring... btw, kalo 2 filter solar gt emang nya bisa nurunin kadar sulfur yg tinggi di solar subsidi kita nehh ??
pasang dobel filter kaya gitu, ngurangi tarikan ga om dohc? :thanks:
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Turboman wrote:
imsus2c wrote:pengin tau nih...

kalau mesin pug806, yg bahasa marketingnya pug disebut HDI, apakah termasuk jenis common rail juga? :ungg:
CRD en itu badak sekali.....ada teman pake dr 2002 sampe skg dgn perawatan minim, solar pake biosolar dan tanpa racun, oli ganti tiap 10 rb Km (HX7 Dsl) en terus spt itu gpp tu mesin.
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sipp deh...
jadi tau sekarang dan jadi agak tenang setelah ada yg review kalo "badak sekali"...

secara baru otak-atik mainan baru nih :mky_01:

tempo hari dikasih SHX7 diesel, tapi suara agak kasar dan ada gejala pengurangan, sekarang balik prinsip ekonomis dulu, pake meditran sc 15w40, ganti tiap 3000km :mky_01:

kasih minumnya, rata2 50%dex + 50% yg biasa :ungg:

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jalu wrote: mumpung lg ngumpul difoto bareng... :D
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Mantappp.. ada fotoku 5 biji.. :mrgreen:
Btw kenapa pilih Triton Om, bukan Ranger / Hilux ?
Dulu pernah ke Adaro & Kideco Jaya Agung, waktu itu saya lihat hampir semua pake Ford.
Mungkin ada pengalaman yg bisa di share disini... :thanks:
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seperti yg umum dibahas, berdasarkan hasil "seleksi alam" dr kondisi solar indonesia, kontender commonrail yg terbukti masih mampu bertahan adalah ford tdci dan mitsu 4D56 did.

bagi perusahaan fleet skala besar dng jumlah unit yg banyak, menggunakan ford itu gak masalah dng jaringan distribusi partnya, krn mereka juga sekalian punya warehouse untuk part stock dilapangan, dan umumnya pihak ford sendiri memberi support untuk perusahaan fleet skala besar, bs dimaklum krn itulah market utama mereka di indonesia

sedangkan kalo fleet dng unit yg sedikit, masih lbh baik pake mitsu...meski minim dukungan langsung dr pihak KTB, tapi part nya mudah didapat didaerah2 krn jaringan ditribusinya jauh lbh luas dibanding ford, sehingga maintenance bs lbh mudah dilakukan usernya meski tanpa punya warehouse/part stock dilapangan.

Hilux...? hmm di timur tengah hilux bejibun dimana2, tapi di indonesia jarang banget fleet yang pake....entah kenapa, saya hanya pernah ngobrol sekilas dng salah satu pengusaha fleet kt dia part hilux jauh lbh mahal dibanding merek lainnya, makanya dia lbh memilih merek lain untuk armadanya. Sebab meski part lbh murah/mahal, tarif sewa unit dbl cabin itu tetap sama2 saja

hanya sekilas info yg saya ketahui :D
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jalu wrote:seperti yg umum dibahas, berdasarkan hasil "seleksi alam" dr kondisi solar indonesia, kontender commonrail yg terbukti masih mampu bertahan adalah ford tdci dan mitsu 4D56 did.

bagi perusahaan fleet skala besar dng jumlah unit yg banyak, menggunakan ford itu gak masalah dng jaringan distribusi partnya, krn mereka juga sekalian punya warehouse untuk part stock dilapangan, dan umumnya pihak ford sendiri memberi support untuk perusahaan fleet skala besar, bs dimaklum krn itulah market utama mereka di indonesia

sedangkan kalo fleet dng unit yg sedikit, masih lbh baik pake mitsu...meski minim dukungan langsung dr pihak KTB, tapi part nya mudah didapat didaerah2 krn jaringan ditribusinya jauh lbh luas dibanding ford, sehingga maintenance bs lbh mudah dilakukan usernya meski tanpa punya warehouse/part stock dilapangan.

Hilux...? hmm di timur tengah hilux bejibun dimana2, tapi di indonesia jarang banget fleet yang pake....entah kenapa, saya hanya pernah ngobrol sekilas dng salah satu pengusaha fleet kt dia part hilux jauh lbh mahal dibanding merek lainnya, makanya dia lbh memilih merek lain untuk armadanya. Sebab meski part lbh murah/mahal, tarif sewa unit dbl cabin itu tetap sama2 saja

hanya sekilas info yg saya ketahui :D

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solar_kerosen wrote:om jalu sekarang dimana , indo apa arab :e-think:
skrg posisi di indonesia :D
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yg 4m40 2.8L jadulrail yg paling kanan ya???
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curhat lagi...

setelah 2 hari beroperasi lancar, tiba2 hari ini triton yg sempet kt bahas di page sebelumnya lalu ngadat lagi dng gejala sama,
yaitu rpm mandeg di 1500rpm, dan kali ini dibarengi dengan suara ketukan dimesin yang bener2 kasar

dicoba lagi bleeding sambil gonta ganti filter solar 3x tapi kali ini gak membuahkan hasil, padahal sebelumnya tangki jg sudah dikuras dan kotoran2 sudah bersih (dan memang endapan kotorannya gak banyak sih).
Akhirnya berguru kesana kemari mencari pencerahan, ada yg menyarankan cek sensor (fuel system warning light) di filter solar, ada juga yg menyarankan cek SCV (suction control valve) yg ada di supply pump.

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langkah pertama cek sensor difilter solar, caranya dng tukeran 1 assy dr triton yg lain buat percobaan, hasilnya sama saja gak ada perubahan :e-doh:

akhirnya ditempuh saran berikutnya yaitu cek SCV. Setelah berhasil kebuka SCV dicabut dan ternyata memang solenoidnya macet krn keganjal kotoran, jadi gerakannya gak optimal.
Mungkin ini penyebab suplai bbm ke mesin gak optimal. SCV diketok2 sambil dicuci solar akhirnya geraknya lancar, lalu dicoba pasang kembali di supply pump.
Alhamd ternyata problem solved, rpm kembali normal, suara mesin halus lg dan skrg justru akselerasinya lbh mantap dibanding sebelumnya . :e-dance:

btw ini foto SCV triton, bukan foto asli dr mbl tapi nyomot dr website

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rencana kedepan mau order SCV yg baru aja, kuatir yg ada skrg ini tiba2 macet lg.

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sekian dulu curhatnya :thanks:
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saran gue mending dijualin aja beli yg model sederhana aja deh pick up turbonya gak cocok buat kerja keras secara perawatan dan juga kualitas bahan bakar abal abal , lain hal fleet gede kaya Freeport beli khusus dengan perusahaan minyak dan di cek kualitasnya jadi gak bisa NIPU

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om jalu.... kl buat oprut lbh mantep yg triton exceed or glx 2.8L??? penyakitan ga??
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om jalu kok aneh kenapa gak dibawa ke BERES aja , kan enak ada engine scanner di sana daripada coba coba jadinya kaya buah manggis bisa manis bisa asem .... tapi banyakan asemnya sih :wkkk:
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Problema klasik

Coba kalo dr awal rutin dikasih vitamin en 20.000 km sekali purging maka aman.

Vitamin solar juga mengurangii resiko terbentuknya endapan2 di tangki.

Cerita terbentuknya endapan di tangki itu cukup kompleks

Ide filter solar dobel itu juga bagus utk dipertimbangkan
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solar_kerosen wrote:saran gue mending dijualin aja beli yg model sederhana aja deh pick up turbonya gak cocok buat kerja keras secara perawatan dan juga kualitas bahan bakar abal abal , lain hal fleet gede kaya Freeport beli khusus dengan perusahaan minyak dan di cek kualitasnya jadi gak bisa NIPU

coba Triton HDX paling murah dan simple
walah kalo mau dijual ini mbl kan punya perusahaan rental,hehehe...
masalah bbm saya sudah sempet kasi info sebelumnya bahwa solar disini bukan disuplai dr pertamina tp dr mini refinery yg ada disini dng base crude oil.
Turboman wrote:Problema klasik

Coba kalo dr awal rutin dikasih vitamin en 20.000 km sekali purging maka aman.

Vitamin solar juga mengurangii resiko terbentuknya endapan2 di tangki.

Cerita terbentuknya endapan di tangki itu cukup kompleks

Ide filter solar dobel itu juga bagus utk dipertimbangkan
dan problema klasik kami disini adalah ide2 cemerlang yg pak Turbo sampaikan itu susah sekali di mendapat approve oleh pihak management :D
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ak4ng wrote:om jalu.... kl buat oprut lbh mantep yg triton exceed or glx 2.8L??? penyakitan ga??
kalo butuh yg gak rewel jelas yg 2.8 4M40 jadulrail.

khusus Triton exceed punya fitur hub lock di gardan depannya yg digerakan oleh vakum, jadi saat tuas transfer di posisi 4H atau 4L, secara bersamaan shaft vakum yg ada digardan depan juga masuk ke posisi lock. Triton GLX dan GLS tidak ada fitur ini digardan depannya (saya sudah cek sendiri ke kolongnya)
posisinya persis di gardan depan tapi agak kebawah, dan meski ada guardnya tapi kalo kebentur batu, guardnya sendiri gampang penyok dan menghantam sistem vakumnya.

Ini ada fotonya, salah satu unit Triton Exceed sudah pernah mengalami kerusakan ini (slang vakum putus, vakum chamber copot/hilang, dan shatnya bengkok) akibat kebentur batu.

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kalo vakum aktuator assy ini dah jebol, meski tuas transfer ke posisi 4H atau 4L, maka gardan depan masih tetap free, alias tetap 2WD terus.
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wah serem juga rusaknya mana spare part mitsu mahal lagi :mky_01:
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jalu wrote:khusus Triton exceed punya fitur hub lock di gardan depannya yg digerakan oleh vakum, jadi saat tuas transfer di posisi 4H atau 4L, secara bersamaan shaft vakum yg ada digardan depan juga masuk ke posisi lock. Triton GLX dan GLS tidak ada fitur ini digardan depannya (saya sudah cek sendiri ke kolongnya)
Yang mana berarti pada GLS GLX, saat posisi 2WD, drivetrain roda depan tetap bergerak sesuai roda depan, tul kakak?
jalu wrote:posisinya persis di gardan depan tapi agak kebawah, dan meski ada guardnya tapi kalo kebentur batu, guardnya sendiri gampang penyok dan menghantam sistem vakumnya.

Ini ada fotonya, salah satu unit Triton Exceed sudah pernah mengalami kerusakan ini (slang vakum putus, vakum chamber copot/hilang, dan shatnya bengkok) akibat kebentur batu.

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kak rijal... kalo emg kualitas bbm solar di pedalaman sana bgitu caur... gmana coba apply ide pemasangan double filter solar... siapa tau bsa menolong...

btw mengenai double filter solar tsb bisa menyaring kadar sulfur yg kelewat tinggi ga yahh ??
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