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Hahaha !

FYI, I no longer own any Astra stocks. Sudah ku jual semua ! Soalnya selain untuk bayar cicilan property invesment, juga sudah jelas penjualan mobil makin ngak stabil. Ada saham lain yang jauh lebih menarik ! So I am leaving Astra for greener pastures.

I am not attacking Toyota just for the sake of it. Cuman lihat ada orang yang angkat dia sampai seolah merek lain jelek, ya saya pasti react. Cause I know Toyota is not perfect, apalagi yang di Indonesia.

And also I use Galant's case to illustrate one thing : Resale value kan ngak peduli jumlah orang yang transaksi mobil itu ribuan atau cuman puluhan. Namanya kalau resale valuenya bagus, meskipun cuman dikit, the buyer and the seller pasti rela pindah uang dengan nilai yang bagus.

Sebaliknya, jika mobil tertentu rame di perdagangkan, tapi depreciasinya tetap tajam, TETAP namanya resale valuenya hancur. Volumes got nothing to do with it !

Seperti saham lah ! Ada saham yang liquid. Ada yang tidak liquid.

So lets say Camry adalah saham liquid, suka di dagang car trader. Mitsu lebih seperti saham tidak liquid.

Tapi tetap, kalau saham itu di dagankan meskipun volumenya besar, tapi nilainya turun tajam, can we say saham itu tidak hancur meskipun harganya dari hampir 400 juta turun ke kurang dari 300 juta dalam setahun ? Tetap hancurkan ? Big volume, so what ?

Dan saham tidak liquid, meskipun sepi, seperti Unilever sebelum dia stock split, tapi harga dia stabil ! Jarang turun ! Nah ! Itu volume kecil, tapi baru namanya good resale value !

I am just trying to defend the truth ! And to comfort Mitsubishi Galant owners not to feel bad ! Soalnya meskipun ngak liquid, tapi tetap mobil lain yang liquid juga jatuh harganya !

I am not just a Dark Lord, but a Dark Lord who loves the truth, and who likes to restore order. Supaya ngak ada galaxy yang sombong, dan galaxy lain yang minder, tanpa alasan yang masuk akal !
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Contoh satu lagi, supaya lebih jelas :

Saham Astra misalnya seperti Camry / Accord. Sangat liquid ! Favourate trader / pialang saham. Tiap hari pasti ada transaksi ! Volume besarnya aje gile ! Lebih besar dari kijang !

Tapi jika harganya turun dari 13,000 ke 8,500, hancur tidak ? volume gede, so what ?

Sebaliknya, saham sepi macam Unilever yang harganya 3000an. Jika hari ini masih di 3000an atau cuman turun ke 2800, apakah hancur ?

Benar, saham ama mobil bukan barang yang sama. Tapi kan mechanisme harga / demand / supply kan sama ?

Jika demand Camry jauh di atas supply, pasti harga resalenya dari hampir 400 juta paling cuma turun ke 360. say 10%

Tapi kok bisa turun 30% tahun pertama ? Artinya demandnya ngak begitu tinggi. Supplynya juga lumayan banyak. Thats why !

As for the Galant. Benar, lebih sepi, tapi kan ada pasarnya sendiri. Sepi bukan artinya ada ada yang minatnya. And jika depreciasi dia mirip ama Camry, meskipun volumenya lebih sepi, saya tetap conclude that resale value dia ngak beda jauh !

Yang tidak setuju tidak papa. Tapi the picture is damn clear enough for me !

Mr. Conan. Say U got a Camry. U buy because its a Toyota. So U assume resale valuenya pasti bagus !

Nah, 1 year later U decide to sell her. U iklan di Kompas. Benar, ramai ! Banyak yang lihat, offer harga. Ngak seperti Mitsu yang mungkin tiap hari cuma 1-2 orang yang datang.

Tapi semua orang yang nawar 250-280 juta, meskipun mobilnya cuma satu tahun usianya dan harga barunya hampir 400 juta !

So what will U think ? Yeah ! Banyak orang interested, tapi buka harganya semuanya 70% of new price after 1 year of ownership.

And old Camry / Accord owners also found that their 7 year old cars juga tinggal 100+- juta ! Volume memang gede, tapi harganya tetap segitu di pasaran.

So my question is : Is the Camry's resale value good or not vs the Galant ?

I don't know about U, but if I am the Camry's owner, I will be shocked ! My God ! My car depreciates so much in a year ! Yang datang cuman 2 orang atau 10 orang so what ? Kalau yang nawar harganya cuman segitu, artinya the market thinks that the Camry do not warrant a high resale value !

Mau ngerti lebih dalam ? Try investing in the stock market. U will see what I mean !
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Hahaha !

FYI, I no longer own any Astra stocks. Sudah ku jual semua !
That's why I wrote :
conan wrote:Which is ironic, considering that he once kept encouraging people to get Astra stocks!
I thought you studied in Singapore..
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Here is another personal example.

I bought my Hyundai Santa Fe for abt 187 juta, bekas 1 tahun.

1 year later I sold it for about I think 140 juta. So it depreciates about 25% the 2nd year.

Sharp huh ! Ngak surprise. Ini sudah Korea, terus yang jarang orang pakai lagi.

Nah ! Honda Stream. I bought her because its a Honda. And people say Honda cars mirip Toyota. Resale valuenya bagus !

Nah, pernah saya iklan. Yang telpon banyak. Tapi semuanya nawarnya gila ! Cuman 160 juta ! Itu kalau ngak salah inggat Streamnya cuman 2 tahun.

Sekarang lebih edan. Autobild's data showed that the Stream 1.7 A/T 1 tahun market valuenya sekitar 170 juta ! Thats a whopping 22% drop in her first year !

I don't know how true that data is, tapi dari pengalaman ngomong ama orang, memang pasar Stream ngak gitu cemerlang.

So I ask myself, is the Stream's resale value good compared to the Santa Fe ? I can only conclude, LIQUIDITY wise Honda lebih bagus (meskipun pernah iklan ngak ada orang yang datang !)

Tapi resale value wise, apa bedanya ama Santa Fe ? Mirip ! I lose 25% of the Santa Fe after 1 year, and 1 year old Stream owners lose 22%. Cuman beda 3% !

Remember, we are talking about RESALE VALUE, bukan LIQUIDITY !

And don't compare with cars like the Daiwoos. There are no data on Daiwoos, soalnya itu mobil bukan hanya poor resale value, tapi ngak ada transaksi ! Paling setahun cuman ada 1-2 transaksi di Indonesia !

Tapi Mitsubishi Galant, jika anda buka mata, jumlahnya masih lebih banyak dari Innova 2.7 ! Dan saudara saya juga inggin beli yang bekas ! Soalnya harganya sudah menarik !

A bigger or smaller market for a product does not determine that products resale value !

Its like if both U and me are bank robbers. Maybe U are more " liquid ". U rob 10 banks a month.

Whereas I only rob 1 bank a month. Tapi jika TIAP kali rampok, both U and me rob 10 milliar, whats the difference ? Both of us are bandits, and causes banks 10 milliar in losses PER Robbing !
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Whats studying in Singapore got to do with it ?

Dan justru mau survive dan profit di dunia investment, justru ngak boleh stubborn !

Kalau pasarnya bagus, saham Astra layak di beli.

Tapi jika kondisi makro jadi buruk seperti sekarang, sales Toyota mulai slowdown, dan ada company lain yang lebih maju volumenya, apakah saya harus stubborn belain Astra ?

Jelas tidak ! Harus cepat pindah ! Remember ? The only constant today is CHANGE !

If U own a stock, and say the report shows a 20% decline in sales and profits. Another company shows 30% growth ! Will U move your portfolio ?

Only a fool will stay put !
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Sithlord wrote:Whats studying in Singapore got to do with it ?
I mean, your English.. look up the word 'once', please..
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Ketik cepat ya pasti bisa salah once in a while.

I am eating my lunch yang bawak dari rumah. Why don't U take a break and get your lunch ? While I recharge my lightsaber ?
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Sithlord wrote:Ketik cepat ya pasti bisa salah once in a while.

I am eating my lunch yang bawak dari rumah. Why don't U take a break and get your lunch ? While I recharge my lightsaber ?
Kekekeke.. :mrgreen:
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Gitu dong ! Sekali kali senyum, and say " Wan sui Wan Sui wan wan sui ! " Long live the Emperor !

Jangan tiap kali maunya berontak terus ! Kapan Galaxy bisa damai dan tentram ?

Inggat kata German " Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer ! "

I am NOT a nazi supporter of course, but I can see why the nazi's hope for that kind of thing.

Kata atas artinya " Satu Negara, satu rakyat, satu pemimpin ! "

I'll tell U a secret dream / desire I have. That is for ALL Indonesians to drive the c24 ! " Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer, PLUS Ein Auto ! "

Hahaha !
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Sithlord wrote:I'll tell U a secret dream / desire I have. That is for ALL Indonesians to drive the c24 ! " Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer, PLUS Ein Auto ! "

Hahaha !
Semua orang Indo yg punya mobil, rasanya minimal sudah pernah SEKALI naik KIJANG selama hidupnya, biarpun gak pernah punya, lho!
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Haha ! Soalnya dia paling besar dan murah ! Thats why !

And I am surprised why it took so long for other ATPMs to figure out what is it that makes the kijang such a best seller. Its so obvious ! Malah Honda coba lawannya dengan Stream. Mana bisa ?
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sithlord wrote:And I am surprised why it took so long for other ATPMs to figure out what is it that makes the kijang such a best seller. Its so obvious ! Malah Honda coba lawannya dengan Stream. Mana bisa ?
LHO, Kijang itu sudah ditiru dari zaman dulu kala, Pak.

Anda pikir Isuzu Indo bikin Panther itu gara2 apa, juga Mitsubishi dengan Kuda yang sekarang sudah punah.
Hanya Panther yang bertahan, itu juga karena Isuzu spesialis diesel. Tapi untuk melawan Innova, Panther jelas sudah kuno dan Isuzu tidak punya penggantinya. Untuk melawan Fortuner saja mereka tidak berani memasukkan MU-7.

Sebenarnya Mitsubishi memiliki Zinger yang sangat tepat karena seperti kata Anda, Innova terlalu feminine sebagai sucessor Kapsul. Bukankah Zinger itu memenuhi semua kriteria keinginan Anda untuk Nissan AUV? 7-seater, crossover MPV-SUV dan jauh lebih macho daripada Innova.

Tapi tentu saja Anda sama sekali tidak tertarik karena Zinger itu Mitsu, bukan Nissan. No, that's not it? Well, mengapa Anda tidak bersemangat membahas design Zinger itu? Bukan kemungkinannya dijual di Indo, tapi bukankah Zinger itu adalah bentuk nyata dari design AUV seperti yang Anda inginkan? Styling macho, tinggi, dan 7-seater.

Justru aku bersyukur Honda memasukkan Stream yang PRODUK JDM, yang TIDAK ADA MASALAH sejak Anda beli, daripada dulu Honda membuat saingan Kijang bernama Honda Rusa yang berbentuk seperti Kapsul juga dan nasibnya at best a little better than Kuda of the moment. Belum lagi mungkin ada masalah pompa bensin atau as roda yang potong juga.

Bayangkan kalau Kuda sukses dan Honda Rusa juga, maka sekarang bukannya kita bisa melihat Grandis dan Stream, Jazz dan CRV di jalanan tapi jalanan akan dipenuhi Kijang dan kembaran2nya : Panther, Kuda, Rusa, dll dll. Yang akan bertambah Nissan Komodo tahun 2007/8.


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Oh.. ini ya awal 'perang'?
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r1210g wrote:Oh.. ini ya awal 'perang'?
kalo mo yg lebih tajam, ke sini ajah...

http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... hlight=auv
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Hahaha...Yg ini uda cukup tajam jug koq,sayang ga berlanjut..
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@hansen
wah.. itu dah terlalu loncat bro...
Gw mau liat prosesnya plan2...
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r1210g wrote:@hansen
wah.. itu dah terlalu loncat bro...
Gw mau liat prosesnya plan2...
buat bahan skripsi ya bro? :D
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wakakaka... Iya.. eh ngga lah...
Kan seru, kayak nonton AVATAR di DVD...
Kalo loncat2 kan ga enak.. Ha3... Kayak di Global TV...
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r1210g wrote:wakakaka... Iya.. eh ngga lah...
Kan seru, kayak nonton AVATAR di DVD...
Kalo loncat2 kan ga enak.. Ha3... Kayak di Global TV...
hahaha...cari sendiri deh... :lol:
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yah... susah nih... Kan gw blom join pas lagi "perang"
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r1210g wrote:yah... susah nih... Kan gw blom join pas lagi "perang"
Lihat header "Indonesian Automotive Discussion Forum", dibawahnya ada tulisan "search"...... klik saja... terus muncul halaman yang harus diisi. Dibagian "Search for Keywords" yang kosong tulis "Nissan AUV" enter.... nanti keluar semua topic yang kira-2 berkaitan dengan Nissan AUV... ya tinggal pilih saja.... ..... eh saya cuma iseng lho... bukan maksud mau ngajarin hehehheheeeee....

(... seperti sedang membuat buku petunjuk saja)
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Dah ada yg nyoba belom Outlander Indonesia? Pengen tau pendapat yg udah punya.. worth nggak?
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IMHO, selama ini Suv nya Mitsu 'hampir' 100% nggak mengecewakan de...palagi Pajero.... Puas 5x....
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tigor wrote:IMHO, selama ini Suv nya Mitsu 'hampir' 100% nggak mengecewakan de...palagi Pajero.... Puas 5x....


Kalau tidak salah..semua SUV Mitsu itu CBU dan tidak spec down... jadi bulat-2 dikirim dari sana... mungkin juga frequency radio sudah digeser juga. Grandis juga CBU (tidak spec down) khan...???
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Grandis CBU dari Thailand,jadi mungkin tidak spec down...Kecuali kalau CKD mungkin bisa di spec down..
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