Apakah CVT lebih baik dari A/T konvensional??

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Apakah CVT lebih baik dari A/T konvensional??

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Belakangan ini saya benar benar dilanda kebingungan tentang CVT maupun A/T konvensional.
kebingungan ini disebabkan karena all new jazz balik kembali menggunakan A/T biasa dari sebelumnya yang menggunakan CVT. ADA APA??
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cvt tuh lemot biar mau brp speed jg. contoh laen nissan yg punya byk mobil cvt tp buat mpv kagak dipake buat fairlady atou GT-R. Bisa diketawain para kompetitor dong. Merk eropa udah jarang pake cvt skrg udah era double clutch trans
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double clutch itu sama DSG VW bedanya apa bro?
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Bukannya Audi masih pakai CVT juga di A4 dan A6 ????
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evolution21 wrote:double clutch itu sama DSG VW bedanya apa bro?
DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox) itu penamaan trans dual clutchnya VW bro. Jadi dual clutch/double clutch itu salah satu tipe transmisi, dan DSG cuma nama yg dipake VW aja buat tipe trans ini.
Spt contohnya jenis trans: "ManuMatic", tapi tiap2 merek mobil menamakan beda2 misal BMW pake Steptronic, Audi pake Tiptronic, dll :mrgreen:
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xqn97 wrote:Bukannya Audi masih pakai CVT juga di A4 dan A6 ????
Iya, Audi A4 dan A6 yg pake mesin2 kecil misal A4 2.0t 4 cyl & A6 3.2l V6 dipakein CVT. Di Audi, CVT dinamain pake nama dagang "Multitronic".
Tapi kalo untuk A4 dan A6 yg pake mesin2 gede masih pake AT Tiptronic biasa.
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mungkin tergantung kali yah bro,kalo buat sedan kecil,mpv,hatchback yang bukan mengutamakan performance tapi comfort mungkin bisa dibilang lebih baik karna ga ada hentakan A/T konvensional walau ada A/T konvensional yang hentakannya ga terlalu keras,kayak Super ECT Toyota

tapi kalo diliat dari reliability mungkin CVT ga sebaik A/T konvensional,karna gw pernah baca di SM katanya CVT kalo penggunaannya kasar,bisa aja beltnya putus dan harga barunya katanya bikin nangis darah,katanya loh,CMIIW y :big_peace:
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xqn97 wrote:Bukannya Audi masih pakai CVT juga di A4 dan A6 ????
yupe, masih teknologi CVT. namanya Multitronic.
tapi untuk yang versi Quattro, namanya Triptronic. pake teknologi DSP.
kalo yang versi double clutch, namanya S Tronic.
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CVT lebih unggul kalo dari matic konvensional yg 4/5 speed.
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CVT nggak kuat torsi besar jadi bagi saya agak aneh emang kalau Nissan pakai CVT apalagi XTrail.
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sejak 2003 , nissan udah pake CVT di 3500cc v6 nya, harusnya ga masalah di xtrail or di bawahnya.
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kutipan dari temple of vtec asia, advantages of cvt (1gen jazz) vs 5speed matic (2gen jazz), yg sama2 kita bisa rasakan juga:

I feel this is due to the 5AT's disadvantage to the CVT-7.
In the 1G, I can keep rpm below 4000 or even 3000rpm and still get plenty of 'go'.
Without ever exceeding 4000rpm, I could drive up the twisty roads to the Genting Highlands mountain-top resort, even overtaking many cars up on the way.
This can't be done in the 2G. I need to continuously keep the engine revving up the rev-range even if all I want is to go just a bit faster than normal. And so the fuel economy suffers accordingly.
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asudarsono wrote:CVT nggak kuat torsi besar jadi bagi saya agak aneh emang kalau Nissan pakai CVT apalagi XTrail.
Xtrail mah belom ada apa2nya, itu Lexus LS600h (V8 5000cc) yg torsi mesin bensinnya aja (engga termasuk motor listriknya) 520NM dipakein CVT sama Lexus :mrgreen:
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ooo lexus bukannya prefer "8speed gear matic" spt di LS460 yah bro risol1...
sekarang malah most hybrid yg torsinya gajah, pakai cvt yah..
engineering baru seperti cvt cuma masalah waktu aja untuk membuatnya reliable buat production cars.
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list mobil CVT

* Audi A4 2.0/1.8T/2.4/3.0/2.0 TDI/2.7 TDI
* Audi A6 2.0/1.8T/2.4/3.0/2.5 TDI
* Daihatsu Mira Custom 0.66l 3 cyl
* Dodge Caliber 2.0 L, 2.4 L
* Dodge Durango 5.7 L HEMI
* Fiat Punto 1.2 L
* Ford Escape Hybrid 2.3 L 4 cyl
* Ford Five Hundred 3.0 L 6 cyl
* Ford Focus C-Max 1.6 L TDCi 110 PS
* Ford Freestyle 3.0 L 6 cyl
* Honda Civic HX 1.6 L 4 cyl
* Honda Civic Hybrid 1.3 L 4 cyl
* Honda City 1.5 L
* Honda HR-V 1.6 L
* Honda Insight 1.0 L 3 cyl
* Honda Jazz 1.3L/1.4L/1.5L / Honda Fit 1.3 L/1.5 L
* Honda Odyssey (JDM)
* Honda Stream
* Honda Stepwgn
* Jeep Compass 2.4 L
* Jeep Patriot 2.4 L
* Lexus GS450h 3.5 L 6 cyl
* Lexus RX400h 3.3 L 6 cyl
* Lexus LS600h 5.0 L 8 cyl
* Mercedes-Benz A-Class

* Mercedes-Benz B-Class
* Mercury Montego 3.0 L 6 cyl
* Microcar MC1/MC2 505cc 2 cyl diesel or petrol
* Microcar Virgo 505cc 2 cyl diesel or petrol
* Mitsubishi Colt 1.5 L MIVEC 4 cyl with INVECS-III CVT (Asian-Oceanian version only, 72 kW)
* Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6 L/1.8 L MIVEC 4 cyl with INVECS-III CVT (Asian version only) the 2008 version also
* Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 MIVEC 4 cyl with INVECS-III CVT 2008 (North America)
* Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 MIVEC 4 cyl with INVECS-III CVT
* MG F/MG TF 1.8L
* Mini One and Cooper.
* Nissan Altima (from 2007, Model S)
* Nissan Cube
* Nissan Maxima (from 2007, Model SE)
* Nissan Micra 1.0 L/1.3 L
* Nissan Murano 3.5 L
* Nissan Primera 2.0 L
* Nissan Qashqai 2.0 L
* Nissan Rogue 2.5 L, Model SL
* Nissan Sentra (from 2007 and on)
* Nissan Serena 2.0 L
* Nissan Skyline 350GT-8
* Nissan Teana 3.5 L
* Nissan Tiida / Versa
* Opel Vectra 1.8 L
* Peugeot 4007 2.4 16V
* Renault Koleos
* Rover 25
* Rover 45
* Rover Streetwise
* Saturn Ion Quad Coupe (2003-2004)
* Saturn Vue 2.2 L AWD (2002-2005), 2.2 FWD (2002-2004)
* Subaru R1
* Subaru R2
* Subaru Stella
* Tata Nano
* Toyota Highlander Hybrid 3.3 L 6 cyl
* Toyota Camry Hybrid 2.4L 4 cyl
* Toyota Prius 1.5 L 4 cyl

source : wikipedia

plus JDM freed, oddy terbaru, alphard terbaru, sienta-Vitz(yaris JDM), insight 1.3 dan prius 1.8, dst hybrid2 terbaru dari produsen lain..
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GTR wrote:ooo lexus bukannya prefer "8speed gear matic" spt di LS460 yah bro risol1...
sekarang malah most hybrid yg torsinya gajah, pakai cvt yah..
enginnering baru seperti cvt cuma masalah waktu aja untuk membuatnya reliable buat production cars.
Iya bro, yg LS600h transmisinya beda dari yg LS460 regular. Kalo ditanya mustinya "prefer pake yg 8 speed AT" spt pada LS460?
hehehe....jawabnya gak tau saya bro......bukannya bro GTR yg ahli transmisi? :mrgreen:
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Risol1 wrote: Iya bro, yg LS600h transmisinya beda dari yg LS460 regular. Kalo ditanya mustinya "prefer pake yg 8 speed AT" spt pada LS460?
iya kirain 8speed matic, soalnya sama2 8speed, jadi pangling kalo yg belakangan LS600h itu CVT...
Risol1 wrote: hehehe....jawabnya gak tau saya bro......bukannya bro GTR yg ahli transmisi? :mrgreen:
yah ini mah statement versi salahsatu SMer sini aja bro...
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GTR wrote:CVT lebih unggul kalo dari matic konvensional yg 4/5 speed.
Statement ini mau nggak mau di setujui, dari segi teknologi CVT menang..

Oom GTR kalo masalah putaran atas bagusan pake CVT atau 5-speed ya? Isu2 bilang kalo speed CVT terutama tengah atas agak sedikit kalah dibanding 5-speed bener gak ya?
Anda sudah TEST DRIVE belum?...
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CVT = :frm_bang_head:
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Benar enggak yah beralaihnya teknologi CVT ke A/Tkonvesional ini yang bikin dari harga 140 sekarang menyentuh 200 jeti...ini menurut saya loh, :mrgreen:
kalau meliat dari list yang di tampilkan bro GTR, untuk body dan material mungkin jass berlebihan jika menggunakan teknologi ini.
Seperti saya bergidig jika avansa di beri mesin 2000cc :mrgreen:
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Sorry kalo OOT

Ada nggak ya yang pake gearbox automatic ini untuk balap touring di Sentul? atau semua pakai gearbox manual?
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kalo dulu waktu GT Car di lippo sih setau gw ada ford focus UBM yang katanya pake matic...
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GTR wrote:ooo lexus bukannya prefer "8speed gear matic" spt di LS460 yah bro risol1...
sekarang malah most hybrid yg torsinya gajah, pakai cvt yah..
engineering baru seperti cvt cuma masalah waktu aja untuk membuatnya reliable buat production cars.
tapi CVT bukan hasil engineering baru loh,konsepnya dibuat Da Vinci taon 1490 dan mulai diterapin ke motor taon 1910 dan mulai dipake di mobil taun 1923

btw bro emangnya most hybrid car punya torsi yang besar yah??baru tau gw...

o'iya lupa,gw juga pernah baca di SM katanya kelebihan CVT lainnya yaitu kita bisa manteng RPM di RPM tertentu,kan kalo konvensional agak susah...
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ALTIMIT wrote:kalo dulu waktu GT Car di lippo sih setau gw ada ford focus UBM yang katanya pake matic...
Coba kalo ada balap touring khusus bertransmisi matic gitu ya bisa tahu ketahanan dan keunggulan produk masing2 ATPM.
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patria wrote:Belakangan ini saya benar benar dilanda kebingungan tentang CVT maupun A/T konvensional.
kebingungan ini disebabkan karena all new jazz balik kembali menggunakan A/T biasa dari sebelumnya yang menggunakan CVT. ADA APA??
alasan honda kembali ke A/T konvensional
1. CVT kurang kuat kalau pemakaian kasar n telat ganti oli
2. tenaga kurang kuat kalau di pake di tanjakan (rpm harus tinggi baru terasa)
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