apakah Catalytic Converter bisa Apkir ??

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Re: Saya Ngeri ... ingin melepas Catalytic Converter aja deh

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nescafe wrote:nah.. misalnya kalau terjadi saat mengantri bensin? (misalnya antrian bensin sebegitu panjanganya seperti waktu itu)
oh noo.. :e-doh:
Bawahnya ada rumput kering, kertas atau bahan2 yang mudah terbakar gak bro? Kalau gak ada gak papa kali. Cuman yah kalau kelamaan antrinya mendingan di matikan, selain lebih irit bensin, juga lebih aman :mrgreen:
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iya, seharusnya memang mematikan mesin, tp namanya pom bensin ada aja bekas oli, bensin2 dll.. kyanya orang2 (pengguna mobil) jg jarang mematikan mesin sembari menuggu bensin (yg gw liat matiin mesin malah pengendara motor)
jd mengkhawatirkan.. :(
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Memahami suatu masalah memang perlu dilihat secara keseluruhan,tdk sepotong2 apalagi lsg loncat pd kesimpulan.Dri artikel yg ada pd posted link,(terlalu panjang kalo di copas semua disini,silahkan dibaca sendiri) bisa disimak point2 penting permasalahannya :
How Catalytic Converters Get Hot

Catalysts reduce emissions by accelerating the combustion of pollutants leaving the engine. In doing this job, they get hot. The outside metal temperatures of some types of converters may approach 800 to 1000 F under conditions of extremely high engine loading. However, measurements by the United States Forest Service have shown surface temperatures equally as high in the exhaust systems of pre-1975 cars at extreme engine load conditions. Therefore, with this discovery, catalytic converter surface temperatures do not represent a new type of problem for automobile manufacturers and users as long as the engine is running properly.

sya ngak ngerti kalo running idle 20 menit termasuk"extremely high engine load".......

Fires May Still Happen

The EPA has received reports of vehicle and vegetation fires in which catalysts were involved from both vehicle owners and from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), an organization which has been monitoring the frequency of such incidents with individual manufacturers. In some cases, it appears that combustible undercoating material had been applied to the catalyst and other exhaust system hardware. In most cases, vehicles were also reported to have been running badly with evidence of nonfiring spark plugs or other ignition system defects. If an abnormal amount of unburned fuel is fed to any catalyst, which occurs when the engine is misfiring in one or more cylinders, the catalyst will attempt to "do its job" by burning this fuel instead of simply expelling it out the exhaust pipe as the case with older cars. When this happens, the surface temperature of the catalyst container and the exhaust pipe can become abnormally hot, possibly leading to charring or burning of undercoating inadvertently sprayed on the catalyst or exhaust system, charring of floor mats in the car, or ignition of dry vegetation if the vehicle is operated off-road. Vehicle service manuals caution against applying undercoating on the catalyst of exhaust systems.

It should be noted that vegetation fires caused by hot automobile exhaust systems occurred before the advent of catalyst-equipped cars, and will occur in the future. The Forest Service has periodically conducted tests of cars for fire hazards since 1967 because of the long-standing concern by that agency over vehicle-induced fires in national forest recreational areas.
Kebakaran tanaman yg terjadi oleh saluran gas buang juga terjadi sebelum CC lahir........ sorri nih inggris sya kurang bagus ,jdi yg lain mungkin bisa bantu ...
Bahkan Honda me Recall mobilnya gara2 cc:
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/02/29/ho ... re-issues/
Direcall karena kemungkinan kebocoran oli power steering yg netes ke CC , jadi bukan masalh di CC nya. masalh bad design layout dari CC.

Setelah jelas permasalah ditambah sadar bahayanya( musti),sy yakin jadi aman..... tapi kalo mau dilepas juga ya itu hak yg punya mobil khan?....
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Ya kalo memang tanpa CC toh kita bisa memaintain kondisi pembakaran mesin sehingga tetap lolos uji emisi, ya disimpan aja lah CC itu...
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Mogeman wrote:
Mogeman wrote:
baru 2x.... belum ada yg nyangkut ke gw....
masih ada kesempatan 5x lagi

hayoh, coba lagi.....



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andy1800 wrote:
baru 2x.... belum ada yg nyangkut ke gw....
masih ada kesempatan 5x lagi
hayoh, coba lagi.....
................. :ngacir:
kekekekkkekekke...
udah diserang kiri kanan nih...tega bener dan.

3..Betul,Untuk standard Euro1/2 mungkin tanpa CC masih bisa lolos,itupun dgn catatan kondisi engine musti prima and well maintained periodically(sya ngak tahu persis ,tanpa CC masuk euro berapa).Tapi untuk,katakanlah euro 4 atau 5 dgn persyaratan emisi yg begitu rendah...rasanya dgn tehnologi ICE sekarang sulit lolos tanpa bantuan CC.. atau mungkin malah nanti ada temuan baru pengganti CC,siapa tahu.Tapi saat ini,itulah pilihan terbaik.

4..Logika pabrik, kalo ada cara lain selain dgn CC, kenapa musti susah2 dan add cost kalo pake CC (pake platinum..tahu sendiri harganya) "bahaya" lagi menurut sebagian orang.......Jadi, itu masalah pilihan, mau "bersih" atau gampang dan murah...
5..Hampir semua negara sepakat untuk"bersih" apapun caranya....... bagaimana dgn anda ?....memang karena negara ini ngak terlalu ketat masalah pencemaran ,kalopun dicopot belum ada sangsi apa2... cuma tanggung jawab moral kita aja dan kesadaran untuk tdk meracuni udara yg kita hirup sendiri.

6.. CC itu khan udah kita beli,terpasng...kenapa hrs dicopot lagi?

7...Gimana dan, kalo emang mau dicopot kasih ke gw aja.... ntar gw pasang paralel di mobil gw.... technically speaking it is better than one.....:)
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ntar2 aja nge-counter nya ya,... :P
kekekekke....

iya jg.... kalau diparalel, jadinya three-way yg dikali dua.... namanya six-way dooong....
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andy1800 wrote:ntar2 aja nge-counter nya ya,... :P
kekekekke....

iya jg.... kalau diparalel, jadinya three-way yg dikali dua.... namanya six-way dooong....
hueheheheee....
siap,dan !!....
ok,gw mau logout dulu,bandwith gw mau pake donlod ... :e-doh:
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kagak ada acara delete2an....
biar sbg penanda, siapa2 yg pada suka oot....itu terdokumentasikan, dan akan kelihatan sampai akhir jaman....!
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andy1800 wrote:kagak ada acara delete2an....
biar sbg penanda, siapa2 yg pada suka oot....itu terdokumentasikan, dan akan kelihatan sampai akhir jaman....!
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Om andy, yang suka oot siapa saja? Apa saya juga termasuk? :mrgreen:
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esh wrote:
andy1800 wrote:kagak ada acara delete2an....
biar sbg penanda, siapa2 yg pada suka oot....itu terdokumentasikan, dan akan kelihatan sampai akhir jaman....!
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Om andy, yang suka oot siapa saja? Apa saya juga termasuk? :mrgreen:
apa saya juga termasuk mas andy? :e-whistle: :mrgreen:
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Apakah CC bisa apkir?

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Mau tanya, apakah Catalic Converter ada usia pakai? Karena kotoran yang menumpuk mengakibatkan CC mapet? Mohon pencerahan.

Maaf kalau sudah pernah di bahas.

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^ nampaknya blm pernah dibahas sih bro...
tp biar digabung disini aja dulu ya...spy dokumentasi nya nggak terpecah2 (kalau ada yg men-search), sbg referensi di masa yg akan datang.
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Mogeman wrote:
andy1800 wrote:
baru 2x.... belum ada yg nyangkut ke gw....
masih ada kesempatan 5x lagi
hayoh, coba lagi.....
................. :ngacir:
kekekekkkekekke...
udah diserang kiri kanan nih...tega bener dan.

3..Betul,Untuk standard Euro1/2 mungkin tanpa CC masih bisa lolos,itupun dgn catatan kondisi engine musti prima and well maintained periodically(sya ngak tahu persis ,tanpa CC masuk euro berapa).Tapi untuk,katakanlah euro 4 atau 5 dgn persyaratan emisi yg begitu rendah...rasanya dgn tehnologi ICE sekarang sulit lolos tanpa bantuan CC.. atau mungkin malah nanti ada temuan baru pengganti CC,siapa tahu.Tapi saat ini,itulah pilihan terbaik.

4..Logika pabrik, kalo ada cara lain selain dgn CC, kenapa musti susah2 dan add cost kalo pake CC (pake platinum..tahu sendiri harganya) "bahaya" lagi menurut sebagian orang.......Jadi, itu masalah pilihan, mau "bersih" atau gampang dan murah...
5..Hampir semua negara sepakat untuk"bersih" apapun caranya....... bagaimana dgn anda ?....memang karena negara ini ngak terlalu ketat masalah pencemaran ,kalopun dicopot belum ada sangsi apa2... cuma tanggung jawab moral kita aja dan kesadaran untuk tdk meracuni udara yg kita hirup sendiri.

6.. CC itu khan udah kita beli,terpasng...kenapa hrs dicopot lagi?

7...Gimana dan, kalo emang mau dicopot kasih ke gw aja.... ntar gw pasang paralel di mobil gw.... technically speaking it is better than one.....:)
Hasrat produsen boil di negara kita sebenarnya terlalu nafsu,atau saya katakan "Nafsunya besar, tenaga nggak ada :capede: kalau mau pasang namanya standar Euro1/2.
Kita itu ada di mana? kita kan di Asean ,di Indonesia.Mau pakai Standar Eropa percuma aja ,jalan aja masih semrawut,peraturanya jalan raya nggak nggenah,dan sebagainya. :mrgreen:
Gampangnya aja untuk masalah CC yang di pasang karena standar Euro,untuk meminimal polusi.
Lah kenapa juga Pemerintah,pertamina masih biarkan bensinya bertimbal :e-doh: ,bikin dulu BBM yang berkualitas Eropa dan pasang di se antero Nusantara,baru kita berani pasang aksi standar Eouro. :e-whistle:
jadi nanti nggak di ketawain orang eropa. :e-think:
kalau saya masih pakai sampai bener bener rusak,kalau udah rusak udah copot aja.kata orang TAM dan DAI Avansa Xenia CC nya akan tahan sampai 100.000 KM walau maksa pakai bensin bertimbal.
saya nggak percaya,soalnya nggak ada yang jamin,dan lagi sampai sekarang juga belon pernah dengar Mereka punya alat untuk mengukur atau memeriksa apakah CC nya masih bener apa enggak..? Lucu yah... :ungg: please CMIW
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avansa wrote:
Lah kenapa juga Pemerintah,pertamina masih biarkan bensinya bertimbal :e-doh: ,bikin dulu BBM yang berkualitas Eropa dan pasang di se antero Nusantara,baru kita berani pasang aksi standar Eouro. :e-whistle:
jadi nanti nggak di ketawain orang eropa. :e-think:
Setahu saya bbm kita sdh bebas timbal ,tapi yg pasti Pertamax sdh unleaded....
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saya nggak percaya,soalnya nggak ada yang jamin,dan lagi sampai sekarang juga belon pernah dengar Mereka punya alat untuk mengukur atau memeriksa apakah CC nya masih bener apa enggak..? Lucu yah... :ungg: please CMIW
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Sebenarnya kita ngak perlu repot periksa CC sendiri,untuk jenis advance ECM sdh ada self diagnostic test, yaitu parameter sebelum dan sesudah CC diperbandingkan atau istilah program close loop. ECM akan memberitahukan kalo CC ada kelainan . sya ngak tahu persis Av/Xen masuk jenis mana..... so Dont Worry, Be Happy.... hehehe.... :e-whistle: :e-whistle: :e-whistle:
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ngomong2..............setelah pk boil baru, oom TS beneran jadi CCnya d lepas ney :big_weee:
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kayaknya ga jd, soalnya dye pakai prtamx plus.. :e-whistle:
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wekekekeke.....berarti uda yakin klo pake CC aman kali ya?

apa males aja ngebukanya ?:mrgreen:
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wah TS kemana nih ?...jangan2..... ??






tapi engak lah,CC itu aman ko......
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All,

Sorry membangkitkan thread lama.. Mau tahu range harga untuk replacement catconv di S*KI berapa ya untuk honda iDSI? Thanks..
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epinjose wrote:All,

Sorry membangkitkan thread lama.. Mau tahu range harga untuk replacement catconv di S*KI berapa ya untuk honda iDSI? Thanks..
Kalo di bengkel knalpot merek bikinnya Downpipe plong sebagai pengganti downpipe dgn CC di mesin2 Honda

Tapi lubang dudukkan utk Oxygen sensor tetap ada
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Turboman wrote:
epinjose wrote:All,

Sorry membangkitkan thread lama.. Mau tahu range harga untuk replacement catconv di S*KI berapa ya untuk honda iDSI? Thanks..
Kalo di bengkel knalpot merek bikinnya Downpipe plong sebagai pengganti downpipe dgn CC di mesin2 Honda

Tapi lubang dudukkan utk Oxygen sensor tetap ada
Pak Turbo, berarti downpipe freeflow + lubang untuk sensor? Pertanyaan selanjutnya, supaya tenaga low-mid tetap ada, sebaiknya pipa lebih kecil / lebih besar dari pipa asli nya?

Cerita sedikit, hari ini sudah di lepas CC nya dan bbrp honeycomb nya rontok.. Jadi diputuskan untuk lepas CC.
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Pica kendaraan perang sy dah copot cc,... Krn usia jd buntu tu cc.
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Cat conv sudah diganti dengan kansai ber resonator.. dan honeycomb cat yg lama mmg rontok se rontok2 nya..

so far keluhannya hanya bau dan cukup berisik kalau half throttle.
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epinjose wrote:Cat conv sudah diganti dengan kansai ber resonator.. dan honeycomb cat yg lama mmg rontok se rontok2 nya..

so far keluhannya hanya bau dan cukup berisik kalau half throttle.
Koq pny sy ngga berisik yak? Sama aja kyk sebelon dicopot CCnya,... Apa krn cc cupu jd gak ada suaranya?
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