VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
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VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
Masih jadi bahasan di forum2 tentang kebenarannya apakah memang akan segera di launching untuk menggantikan golf r32 mkV.
Isu yang beredar golf ini akan tetap menggunakan mesin 2.0 TFSI tetapi dituned hingga mencapai 270 HP, 0-100 diclaim dibawah 6 detik dengan top speed dibatasi 250 kpj.
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Ya cuma bs berharap aja lah, kalo memang benar VW akan berkonsentrasi di indonesia siapa tau golf r20 ini bs meramaikan market disini...
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Isu yang beredar golf ini akan tetap menggunakan mesin 2.0 TFSI tetapi dituned hingga mencapai 270 HP, 0-100 diclaim dibawah 6 detik dengan top speed dibatasi 250 kpj.
SPY SHOT :
Ya cuma bs berharap aja lah, kalo memang benar VW akan berkonsentrasi di indonesia siapa tau golf r20 ini bs meramaikan market disini...
sukur2 kalo CKD.... (ngimpi )
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
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10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
Mending kalo mau di tune, ya scirocco aja lah
tampang lebih menjanjikan daripada golf yang memang begitu2 aja
ps : kok gambarnya enggak ada ya??
tampang lebih menjanjikan daripada golf yang memang begitu2 aja
ps : kok gambarnya enggak ada ya??
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
saya coba upload lagi pic-nya yah :
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
salah satu rival langsungnya di eropa yg bukan 1 grup adalah ford focus (seri ST atau yg diatasnya seri RS)
sayangnya ford indonesia juga tidak memasukkannya ke Indonesia, hanya ford focus versi "biasa"
sayangnya ford indonesia juga tidak memasukkannya ke Indonesia, hanya ford focus versi "biasa"
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IMHO saingannya itu ford focus RS pak imsus
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Hmmm...bisa jadi sih...jalu wrote:IMHO saingannya itu ford focus RS pak imsus
tapi ford focus RS Mk2, mesinnya 2500 cc turbo.. outputnya 300Hp/440nM,
pendahulunya (Mk1) 2000cc output 212Hp/310nM
head to head sama BMW 130i dan Audi S3 (dari VW group), saya pernah tulis hasil dari test autobild jerman di: http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... &start=100
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
baca2 di majalah topgear, ternyata focus rs itu pake mesin volvo 5 silinder yah...
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kalo penasaran liat focus RS, ya liat aja TOPGEAR series season 13 kmrn
ada tuh episode yang clarkson ngetes Focus RS 300hp, tp msh ada gejala tourqe steer, walaupun kinerja revoknuckles udh keren bener
R20 masih 4WD kah? seperti R32 kemarin?
ada tuh episode yang clarkson ngetes Focus RS 300hp, tp msh ada gejala tourqe steer, walaupun kinerja revoknuckles udh keren bener
R20 masih 4WD kah? seperti R32 kemarin?
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basisnya iya pak, toh volvo juga masih di dalam ford group, hanya dicustom ulang buat yg dipasang di Ford Focus RSjalu wrote:baca2 di majalah topgear, ternyata focus rs itu pake mesin volvo 5 silinder yah...
ford focus RS Mk2 termasuk mobil yg sangat fenomenal... dengan output yg cukup dahsyat utk ukuran hot-hatch (300Hp/440nM), engineer-nya tetep pasang model FF
saking fenomenalnya, ada yg pernah test/compare dgn Nissan GTR , kalau ga salah pak mod GTR dulu pernah postingkan link youtube-nya
btw... kalo dia masuk resmi, bisa jadi saingan buat golf,
secara di indonesia, mungkin hot hatch yg dimasukkan secara resmi/atpm baru golf
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
untuk detail jelasnya saya krg tau, tapi ini cuplikan info dari website
"Essentially, the Golf R features the Audi S3’s powertrain. We have driven that car extensively; think WRX performance combined with Audi refinement. It’s worth noting that the new Golf MkVI, upon which this R version will be based, is more sophisticated than the Audi A3/S3."
monggo buat pakar2 VW/Audi.....Audi S3 itu AWD atau bukan ya ?
"Essentially, the Golf R features the Audi S3’s powertrain. We have driven that car extensively; think WRX performance combined with Audi refinement. It’s worth noting that the new Golf MkVI, upon which this R version will be based, is more sophisticated than the Audi A3/S3."
monggo buat pakar2 VW/Audi.....Audi S3 itu AWD atau bukan ya ?
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10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
yup, disitulah nilai fenomenal focus RS, mobil hatchback tenaga dahsyat 100% ditransfer ke roda depan dengan lay out mesin depan, sebelumnya belom pernah ada yg cukup nekat bangun begini, apalagi untuk mobil yg sudah pasti dijual secara komersilninodiablo wrote:kalo penasaran liat focus RS, ya liat aja TOPGEAR series season 13 kmrn
ada tuh episode yang clarkson ngetes Focus RS 300hp, tp msh ada gejala tourqe steer, walaupun kinerja revoknuckles udh keren bener
R20 masih 4WD kah? seperti R32 kemarin?
saya yakin, engineer-nya ford masih lembur buat nutupin kekurangannya...
btw, ford focus rs mk2 ini, meskipun merk amrik, dia didesain dan diproduksi di jerman, jadi bener2 khas rasa eropa
toh...mana ada hot-hatch di amerika (dan laku)...?
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
kalau audi S3 yg ditest bareng FF RSmk2 dan BMW 130i memang AWD pak... tapi kalo yg di golf ini, saya juga engga taujalu wrote:untuk detail jelasnya saya krg tau, tapi ini cuplikan info dari website
"Essentially, the Golf R features the Audi S3’s powertrain. We have driven that car extensively; think WRX performance combined with Audi refinement. It’s worth noting that the new Golf MkVI, upon which this R version will be based, is more sophisticated than the Audi A3/S3."
monggo buat pakar2 VW/Audi.....Audi S3 itu AWD atau bukan ya ?
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
@imsus: asumsi saya kalo audi s3 itu awd berarti golf r20 awd juga,CMIIW
Untuk market eropa Golf sm Focus itu memang saingan berat. di topgear (lupa edisi kapan) saya juga sempet liat ford focus rs yang di komparasi dng ford gt, hot hatch vs sportscar dlm satu merek.
Patut diakui keberhasilan engineer ford mengembangkan mbl dng mesin dahsyat dng drivetrain FF, fenomenal....cuma yang masih penasaran apa sih "revo knuckle", saya masih cari2 referensinya.
Untuk market eropa Golf sm Focus itu memang saingan berat. di topgear (lupa edisi kapan) saya juga sempet liat ford focus rs yang di komparasi dng ford gt, hot hatch vs sportscar dlm satu merek.
Patut diakui keberhasilan engineer ford mengembangkan mbl dng mesin dahsyat dng drivetrain FF, fenomenal....cuma yang masih penasaran apa sih "revo knuckle", saya masih cari2 referensinya.
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
revo knuckle itu mirip2 dengan lsd pak...cmiiw, mengurangi efek torque-steer karena penyaluran tenaga besar ke as roda di mobil FWD, torque steer ini salah satu penyebab understeer (dan mgkn over-spin) yg parah, yg biasanya menimpa mobil FWD bertenaga besar, cmiiw
revo knuckle di kembangkan oleh quaife, perusahaan spesialis drivetrain, pada awalnya, teknologi revo knuckle ini dipasang di ford focus yg spek rally (Ford Focus WRC)
coba lihat di:
http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/5 ... uckle.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq6sjIo5Cs
revo knuckle di kembangkan oleh quaife, perusahaan spesialis drivetrain, pada awalnya, teknologi revo knuckle ini dipasang di ford focus yg spek rally (Ford Focus WRC)
coba lihat di:
http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/5 ... uckle.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq6sjIo5Cs
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
terimaksih link-nya pak imsus
Yup inilah musuh bebuyutan Golf yang siap melawan dengan senjata Revo Knuckle
Setelah saya baca2, IMHO revo knuckle adalah trobosan dlm konstruksi knuckle suspensi depan tipe mc pherson, dimana pada revo knuckle digunakan 2 balljoint (seperti pada dbl wishbone) jadi king pin axis nya sejajar dng 2 ball joint tsb, tidak seperti mc pherson tradisional yang hanya 1 balljoint dan king pin axis-nya sejajar antara di top support/mounting sokbreker dng balljoint yang ada di lower arm. Sudah bisa ditebak, kualitas handling revo knuckle akan jauh meningkat krn sudut geometri stir yang lebih optimal (scrub radius yang lebih kecil, seperti pada gambar) untuk meredam torque steering. CMIIW
Konstruksi suspensi spektakuler tsb dipadu dng LSD Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential yang cerdas untuk membagi torsi antara roda kiri dan kanan untuk memastikan tenaga terbagi merata. CMIIW
KESIMPULAN :
Revo Knuckle adalah pengembangan suspensi jenis mcpherson, konstruksi sederhana khas mc pherson dengan keunggulan mendekati jenis dbl wishbone.CMIIW
SALUT untuk para engineer ford...
Gimana pak imsus...kira2 resume saya udah benar atau keliru ??? (mohon dikoreksi kalo ngaco yah )
Yup inilah musuh bebuyutan Golf yang siap melawan dengan senjata Revo Knuckle
Setelah saya baca2, IMHO revo knuckle adalah trobosan dlm konstruksi knuckle suspensi depan tipe mc pherson, dimana pada revo knuckle digunakan 2 balljoint (seperti pada dbl wishbone) jadi king pin axis nya sejajar dng 2 ball joint tsb, tidak seperti mc pherson tradisional yang hanya 1 balljoint dan king pin axis-nya sejajar antara di top support/mounting sokbreker dng balljoint yang ada di lower arm. Sudah bisa ditebak, kualitas handling revo knuckle akan jauh meningkat krn sudut geometri stir yang lebih optimal (scrub radius yang lebih kecil, seperti pada gambar) untuk meredam torque steering. CMIIW
Konstruksi suspensi spektakuler tsb dipadu dng LSD Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential yang cerdas untuk membagi torsi antara roda kiri dan kanan untuk memastikan tenaga terbagi merata. CMIIW
KESIMPULAN :
Revo Knuckle adalah pengembangan suspensi jenis mcpherson, konstruksi sederhana khas mc pherson dengan keunggulan mendekati jenis dbl wishbone.CMIIW
SALUT untuk para engineer ford...
Gimana pak imsus...kira2 resume saya udah benar atau keliru ??? (mohon dikoreksi kalo ngaco yah )
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
bang jalu, kalau vw scirocco, bukannya bemesin sama dgn GTI juga kah? apakah bisa jd kompetitor focus RS juga?
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
setahu saya vw iroc mesinnya memang sama dengan gti, tetapi kalo liat2 liputannya di media, iroc malah lbh sering diadu dengan bmw seri 1 coupe...IMHO, segmentasi iroc sepertinya berbeda dengan focus, iroc ada di kategori compact coupe
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
ya pasti dong mas kalo golf gti lama udah abis stoknya vw mau kirim apalg dr jerman LOL. kl ckd emang ngimpi ga pernah mobil hi perform dickd indo krn ga ada volum pasarnyajalu wrote:
Ya cuma bs berharap aja lah, kalo memang benar VW akan berkonsentrasi di indonesia siapa tau golf r20 ini bs meramaikan market disini...
sukur2 kalo CKD.... (ngimpi )
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
saya malah lbh suka tampang gti mkV ketimbang gti mkVI, tapi kalo tampang gti mkV dibanding r20 mkVI ini mah saya masih seneng yg r20 ini.mpvlover wrote:ya pasti dong mas kalo golf gti lama udah abis stoknya vw mau kirim apalg dr jerman LOL. kl ckd emang ngimpi ga pernah mobil hi perform dickd indo krn ga ada volum pasarnyajalu wrote:
Ya cuma bs berharap aja lah, kalo memang benar VW akan berkonsentrasi di indonesia siapa tau golf r20 ini bs meramaikan market disini...
sukur2 kalo CKD.... (ngimpi )
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"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
kl gitu ambil mk v aja bro krn msh kurs lama yg mk vi harganya udah dkt 600 jutajalu wrote:saya malah lbh suka tampang gti mkV ketimbang gti mkVI, tapi kalo tampang gti mkV dibanding r20 mkVI ini mah saya masih seneng yg r20 ini.mpvlover wrote:ya pasti dong mas kalo golf gti lama udah abis stoknya vw mau kirim apalg dr jerman LOL. kl ckd emang ngimpi ga pernah mobil hi perform dickd indo krn ga ada volum pasarnyajalu wrote:
Ya cuma bs berharap aja lah, kalo memang benar VW akan berkonsentrasi di indonesia siapa tau golf r20 ini bs meramaikan market disini...
sukur2 kalo CKD.... (ngimpi )
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
Kalo modelnya lebih sangar Focus deh.... Golf nya di liat dari sampnh belakang koq malah mirip Civic Estilo jaman dulu yah?
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estilo generasi baru kali bro....
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kalo karimun estilo ganti model kayak gini mah ane ikhlas untuk tuker tambah...GTR wrote:estilo generasi baru kali bro....
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
wah....malah lengkap sekali hasil "study"nya meneer jalu... ngelembur cari literatur y? salut nih...jalu wrote:terimaksih link-nya pak imsus
Yup inilah musuh bebuyutan Golf yang siap melawan dengan senjata Revo Knuckle
Setelah saya baca2, IMHO revo knuckle adalah trobosan dlm konstruksi knuckle suspensi depan tipe mc pherson, dimana pada revo knuckle digunakan 2 balljoint (seperti pada dbl wishbone) jadi king pin axis nya sejajar dng 2 ball joint tsb, tidak seperti mc pherson tradisional yang hanya 1 balljoint dan king pin axis-nya sejajar antara di top support/mounting sokbreker dng balljoint yang ada di lower arm. Sudah bisa ditebak, kualitas handling revo knuckle akan jauh meningkat krn sudut geometri stir yang lebih optimal (scrub radius yang lebih kecil, seperti pada gambar) untuk meredam torque steering. CMIIW
Konstruksi suspensi spektakuler tsb dipadu dng LSD Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential yang cerdas untuk membagi torsi antara roda kiri dan kanan untuk memastikan tenaga terbagi merata. CMIIW
KESIMPULAN :
Revo Knuckle adalah pengembangan suspensi jenis mcpherson, konstruksi sederhana khas mc pherson dengan keunggulan mendekati jenis dbl wishbone.CMIIW
SALUT untuk para engineer ford...
Gimana pak imsus...kira2 resume saya udah benar atau keliru ??? (mohon dikoreksi kalo ngaco yah )
ya kira2 begitu meneer..., jd sekarang tinggal tunggu waktu supaya teknologi revoknuckle ini bisa lebih murah dan bisa diterapkan di produksi massal di produk yg "biasa-biasa" saja...
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Re: VW Golf R20 MkVI, rumor or true...??
pak imsus, ford focus tdci yang dijual di sini sudah dilengkapi dengan konstruksi revo knuckle apa belum ya ?
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby