Nissan Serena Comfort Touring Bekas

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Naruto wrote:
aidan wrote:Or maybe they are actually the same person!!! Only with different login!!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Iya,, ini bener nih. wekekeke :twisted: :twisted:
Jadi Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde dong ..... :lol:
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Serena, di Europe cuma bintang 3, bukan bintang 5.

Source : http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/sectio ... 12,00.html

Source : http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/articl ... 21,00.html

Source : http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ ... 1=5&id2=58

Adult occupant rating Pedestrian rating
Test Scores: Front 5 (31%), Side 16 (89%), Overall 21 (62%), Pedestrian 15 (42%)


The Serena suffered massive intrusion into the footwell and cabin. The front wheel was pushed back into the driver's footwell while the facia and steering wheel were pushed upwards, reducing the driver's survival space to a worrying extent. What's more, the slide mechanism on the front passenger seat failed, allowing it to move forward during the impact. And, because the belt buckle is attached to the seat rather than directly to the cabin floor, this failure was even more alarming. Nissan says it is investigating why this happened and how it can improve future designs.

Impact Protection

Driver Front Impact Passenger Front Impact Driver Side Impact

Frontal Impact The passenger compartment collapsed around the driver. The pillar supporting the door hinges was torn from the sill and was no longer held at its lower end. However, the driver's airbag protected his head and chest from serious injury. But there was also excessive pedal displacement posing a threat of serious feet and ankle injuries. The area where the driver's knees struck needed improvement, too. Euro NCAP was also very concerned by the way the front passenger seat slid forward on its runners during the crash. Finally, the centre rear seat is fitted with only a static lap belt, which offers much less crash protection than a full three-point harness would.

Side Impact Like most vehicles of this type, the driver sits substantially above where a normal-size car would strike in side impact, and this lessens the risk of him sustaining serious injuries. As a result the Serena gave its driver excellent protection, gaining maximum points in this aspect of the test, in stark contrast to its performance in the frontal and one which improved its overall crash rating considerably.

Child Protection The Serena has rear belts fitted to the mid-row outer seats which can be locked to retain a child seat in place. This feature was poorly labelled, but Nissan says it intends to improve this in line with Euro NCAP's recommendations. Neither child seat was compatible with the adult belt buckles and in an accident these are placed under stress and could fail. The three-year-old's head motion was excessive in the frontal impact and his head was inadequately protected in the side impact.

Pedestrian Protection Although the pedestrian rating was not good, the bumper was more forgiving to pedestrians than most other cars tested here. As a result, the Serena proved one of the better performers in this test.
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My God ! Even though I chose to ignore this guy, post dia ini pendek, jadi terlanjur ke baca.

Dan MAN ! This guy really have the brains of a CAT ! KUCING ! Lu benci gue, atau benci Nissan, itu hak lu.

TAPI tolong pakai fakta dong ! Itu Serena 1.6 adalah versi lama, C23 ! Jelas yang hidungnya pesek, mesinnya seperti APV di dalam cabin !

All this while I am promoting the C24 ! Mana mungkin C24 di Jepang dapat 5 bintang, di Eropa jelek nilainya. Coba, mobil dagangan lu berapa bintang !

U ARE WASTING MY TIME, and EVERYONE'S TIME on this FORUM !

Guys, mau benci gue boleh, tapi at least I always check my sources before making analysis. This guy, demi serang saya, apa saja mau lakukan, even though faktanya NGACO sekali !

Are U a car trader, or orang Toyota sih ? Kok sampai begitu ?

Mau cuekin lu juga susah, takutnya lu sembarangan spread false rumours about good safe cars for the Indonesian people, and other SMers percaya ama lu. Tapi baca post lu, buang waktu dan makan hati !

Tell me, what should I do with a guy like U ?!
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Meskipun tahunnya 2003, I tanya lu, SMers pls check all sources :

Di Jepang, Indo, maupun Taiwan, Malaysia, semua pasar yang jual Serena, MANA ADA yang mesinnya 1.6 ? 1600 cc ?

Also bung Conan, I give U one last word. If U want to join this guy to attack me mindlessly, silahkan. But I am afraid our friendship ends here.

I shall not fight with U, ngak mau rusakin suasana, tapi I can no longer put up with such prejudice, gaya tembak membabi buta !

I may even have no choice but to withdraw from this forum. Meskipun I enjoy banget main di sini, banyak info bagus dan manfaat di sini, tapi kalau suasana terlalu sesak nafas, why should I bother ?

Like I said, sudah keluar uang dan waktu, masa mau makan hati ?
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Darklord, setahu aku Nissan Serena sejak tahun 1999 itu adalah C24, apalagi dia kan tahun 2003, masak Europe diberi barang basi, Nissan Serena mesin kolong, yang di Indonesia sudah ada sejak tahun 97 ??
Mesin boleh beda, body sama :wink:
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I always recommend GOOD and SAFE cars for all SMers and all Indonesians. Kalau ada orang sembarangan serang, pakai fakta PALSU lagi, siapa yang bisa terima ?!

Where got C24 pakai mesin 1600 cc !

Memang dulu C23 di jual di Eropa, TAPI mana ada C24 di jual di Eropa ?

U will not find ONE C24 in the roads of Europe, cause its NOT on SALE THERE !

U know nothing about Nissan cars, so lu tidak pantas commentar mobil mereka !

Obviously lu so desperate mau serang saya, lu ketik Serena, safety crash test di google, ah ! Dapat bintang 3, kesenengan, langsung main tancap di forum ini.

By doing that, U just proved your own worthlessness !

I admit I lose my temper this time. Orang mau serang saya, mau debate saya, saya terima, ngak akan marah, kalau lawan pakai fakta accurate, pakai gaya gentleman.

I am human, di gituin, di lawan membabi buta tanpa alasan baik, siapa bisa terima ?

Kalau lu begitu di dunia bisnis, main tuduh orang tanpa fakta yang benar, apalagi di luar Indonesia, lu bisa di sue, dan masuk penjara, atau keluar duit banyak untuk compensasi pencemaran nama baik orang !

SMers, forgive me for losing my cool this time, but its obvious, ini orang bukan bodoh, dia cuman membabi buta, main tembak saja. Kalau dia anak kecil, ngak ngerti mobil, ngak ngerti cara differentiate versi mobil, bedanya C23 ama C24, masih mendingan.

But its obvious this guy sebenernya bukan orang yang ngak ngerti mobil. Dia cuman hoki hokian lempar pisau, hope it will kill me !
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I am not wasting any more time explaining to U ! Lu kalau pintar, fair, cari sendiri photo dan bukti bahwa Serena C24 itu ada di Eropa, dan crash testnya cuman 3 bintang.

Who knows I may even sell my C24 and change to Innova ? Eh !?
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Tuh, kan? Ada saja, alasannya. Frontier kurang laku lah, volume tidak besar, lah. Tanpa airbag pun safetynya bintang 5, lah.

FYI, Dark Lord, Frontier itu laku di daerah2 yg butuh double-cabin offroad. Apakah orang2 yg bekerja di medan berbahaya itu justru lebih tidak butuh airbag, hmm?
Pasti ada alasan lagi : bahwa penjualan mobil itu yg penting cuma Jakarta atau kota2 besar lain, lah. Daerah cukup terima buangan, dsb dsb.

Anda mengancam mau diamkan aku? Silakan saja, Pak! Pertama Mr. TomS, lalu aku, lalu siapa lagi? Mr. Villanova? Mr. Ruthndul? Sekalian saja semuanya, Pak. Toh Anda yang rugi, karena aku dan yang lain tidak akan mendiamkan Anda dan segala propaganda Anda, tuh.

Sadar tidak, begini2, aku ini masih termasuk orang yg membaca posting2 Anda yang panjang lebar dan mengandai2 kemana2 (nasi goreng restoran lah, cewek lah, AC lah). Walaupun belakangan juga aku semakin malas, karena postingan Anda semakin panjang lebar, kefanatikan pada Nissan-nya juga makin menjadi2 dan semakin ngaco kemana2. Contohnya, 4 post di atas. Busyet, apa tidak kurang panjang? Siapa saja sih yang baca, kata demi kata? Aku saja hanya baca sekilas. Mungkin supaya bisa bikin orang bingung dan mengiyakan saja? Not gonna happen, Pak!
About the Frontier yang juga tanpa safety, solusinya simple sekali : JANGAN DI BELI tu mobil !

Pernah kah di forum ini saya bilang Frontier / Terrano itu mobil sip, mesin gimana, belilah mereka, enak, etc. Pernah kah I demikian ?

Cuman banding Jazz ama Innova, saya jarang talk about Frontier dan Terrano. Is it because I mau " protect " Nissan from criticism ? Of course not !

Why ? Soalnya tau sendiri, Frontier ama Terrano, apalagi Frontier, itu populasinya di Indonesia LANGKA sekali ! Yang beli tiap bulan cuman berapa orang ?

How often do U see a Frontier nowadays ? Selangka Voxy / Noah, bahkan lebih langka lagi ! Saya bisa berapa bulan 1 biji Frontier pun TIDAK ketemu !

Kalau Innova, 6000+ sebulan. Jazz, 3000+ sebulan, APV, also 3000+ sebulan. So maunya gimana, I teriak terus, itu Frontier jangan di beli ?

Wong sudah hampir ngak ada orang yang beli tu mobil. So ngapain saya sound the alarm ?

U tell me ! Mau serang saya ? Carilah alasan yang lebih masuk akal !

Juga one more thing. Frontiers bukan hanya langka, tapi mayoritas yang pakai juga cuman 1 atau 2 orang. Kalau mobil keluarga macam Innova, bukan hanya populasinya banyak, tapi lebih sering ngangkut banyak orang ! Sering carry 6 orang, termasuk ibu ibu, anak pula.

So which cars should I pay more attention to ? The perhaps 1-10 units per month Frontier, or the thousands per month Toyotas and Hondas ?

Kecuali I pernah bilang dan muji, recommend Frontier dan Terrano untuk di beli, then U can say I am a Nissan nut. But have I EVER do that ?

Use yr head Jedi ! U may constructive criticism atau cuman mau serang gue doang ?Ngak mau dengar ya sudah. Gi pakai mobil apa terserah. Mau kejadian apa, apa hubunggannya ama saya ?

Tapi yang mau dengar saya, inggat, betul, kita hati hati si iya. TAPI tau sendiri di jalanan Indonesia bandit dan orang gilanya itu banyak sekali !

Misalnya saya saat terima c24 saya, sempat pikir, I sumpah akan hati hati, supaya mobil kesayanggan saya ngak akan tertabrak, mulus sampai tua, etc.

BUT is life that simple ? Eh, saat U-turn pelan, kena tabrak motor lagi benggong.

Lebih gila lagi, saat BERHENTI di antrian tol, eh, di cium CRV lagi benggong supirnya. Nah, mau bilang apa ? Hati hati ? THATS NO GUARANTEE MAN !

Masalahnya ngak semua sopir di Indo hati hati ! Lihat cara mereka nyalip kendaraan di puncak dan pantura ! Jelas sudah dekat jaraknya, TETAP saja mau nyalip, sampai sudah berapa kali keluar kota, I geleng geleng kepala, itu bis / mobil berapa detik lagi sudah tabrakan !

Atau pernahkah di dalam kota pun, ketemu sopir maniac, rem mendakak, main potong jalan, zig zag at high speed, things like that ?

One of these days, one of them MIGHT make a mistake, miscalculation, dan BAM, tabrak kita. Nah, at that time, kita mau pikir apa, wong kita sudah sangat hati hati kok.

Mirip asuransi lah ! Benar, kita masih muda, sehat, ngak rokok, ngak ada angota keluarga ada penyakit keturunaan. Apakah artinya ngak perlu beli asuransi ?

U tell me. may be friends with him in the past, tapi belakangan makin susah. Dia selalu cari perkara ama saya terus !

Saya sudah bilang, maunya saya gimana ? Muji Toyota dan Honda baru senyum ? Selling thousands of cars like that per month ?

No way ! Kalau gini terus, sorry, I may have to put him on the no.2 list of " No longer exist ". Capek lama lama ! Mungkin dia dealer atau salesnya Toyota atau Honda juga. Tapi katanya main Toluene terus. Oh, mungkin bengkel ya sering terima order Toyota dan Honda ?

Back to topic. Saya pikir, meskipun sering macet Indo, Jakarta, jadi bisa saja kita pikir, ah, kapan itu airbag, ABS akan di pakai ?

Well, fair enough. Tapi dari pengalaman saya, ada satu kebiasaan supir Indo yang scared the death out of me. Heres one scenario yang can kill us all one day :

Imagine satu hari anda ama keluarga ramai ramai di mobil. Lagi santai cruising, ke puncak atau di pantura.

Yr car terus lewat bagian jalan yang sebelah kirinya got dalam, atau jurang, atau ada bangunan dekat jalan.

Then ALL of a SUDDEN, ada bis, atau kapsul racing teamer yang dari arah opposite direction zooming towards U ! Dia lagi lakukan overtaking at light speed !

Tapi cilaka ! Dia salah hitung ! Gap antara dia ama celah mobil kita ama mobil di depan dia terlalu dekat ! Dan biasanya kalau gitu, kita tinggal rem supaya kasih dia lebih banyak waktu untuk lewat. Right ?

But this time, sorry, belakang kita ada mobil ! Kalau kecepatan rendah masih mending. Masih keburu rem supaya buy that idiot more time. itupun tergantung how badly he timed his stupid overtaking.

Nah ! Paling menakutkan kalau kita juga lagi highspeed, so mau rem mendadak jelas bahaya, mau pinggir ke samping to let him pass juga ada jurang atau got dalam.

So what happens ? The INEVITABLE happened ! BANG ! That idiot smashed right into us ! Cause he has no more time, dan kita mau ngalah pun susah.

Apalagi keadaan surprise begitu, reflect kita juga jadi kaku, no time to think what to do !

Thats why saya pernah dengar cerita di koran bis tabrakan ama mobil gara gara overtaking seperti ini.

With an airbag, we are protected from head to head collision, even though kap mesinnya pesek atau panjang (kalau kap mesin pesek meskipun ada airbag ngak cukup aman, mana bisa mobilnya dapat 5 star safety rating ?) Sebaliknya mobil macam kapsul, meskipun hidungnya panjang, do U think he could survice a collision like that ?

Juga tergantung plat besinya. Kalau hidung panjang, tapi plat besinya tipis, sama aja boong ! Akan crumple seperti kerupuk ikan !

Dan ABS, EBD, BA akan cegah kita kalau rem mendadak roda terkunci, akibatkan mobilnya tetap jalan dan kena sasaran !

Regardless of whether mobilnya hidungnya panjang atau pesek, just pay attention to safety features dan ngak kalah penting, apakah dia dapat 5 bintang di ujian safety ?

Betul, mobil macam Serena, Voxy, Alphard hidungnya pesek.

Tapi coba pikir, kalau one day Serena, atau Alphard tabrakan ama Innova, atau kapsul at say 60 km/jam HEAD ON ? Guess which car's passengers will " Arrive in Better shape ? "Actually I don't even bother talking about Frontier, cause like I said, ini mobil boleh di bilang seperti Syangyong, jarang sekali orang beli.

Tapi since our friend bung Frontier miliki satu, I just want to let U know that, meskipun ngak ada airbag, TAPI at least, bodynya kuat ! Plat tebal ! Why ? Heres the 5 star safety rating yang Frontier dapat di uji NHTSA (US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration).

Silahkan baca : http://www.nissan.com.my/vehicles/frontier/safety.html

Dan because of Indonesians total lack of regard for such things, even Nissan once in a while juga berdosa juga. Cause ternyata di MALAYSIA ini Frontier ada Airbags dan ABS juga loh !

Actually, I sendiri sadar, kalau orang Indo kebiasaanya begitu terus, even Nissan takutnya satu hari akan ikut pula kebiasaan Honda dan Toyota. Gimana ngak. Penjualannya sangat tinggi untuk mobil " kosong ! "

Thats why to prevent Nissan and other ATPMs from behaving like that in the future, kita harus benar benar say good bye to such cars once and for all !

Tapi I ngak mau di bilang sombong juga. Cause I sadar antara orang Indonesia tentu ada yang uangnya memang pas budgetnya. Mereka cuman sanggup beli mobil 100-130 juta. No more.

THEN in this case, I say " OK, silahkan, I paham. "

TAPI I juga tau, di Indonesia, yang sanggup tambah 10-30 juta extra for safety sebenernya juga BANYAK ! TAPI, itu dia ! Cuman gara gara mau beli merek, nama, resale value worries doang, they REFUSED to pay the extra money ! Meskipun mereka sanggup !

Itu yang tragedy ! Like my 10 milliar saudara lah ! Masa beli APV. Masa pakai Stream, masa inggin ganti ke Innova 2.0 G ? Suruh tambah extra dikit upgrade ke mobil lain lebih aman, susah banget ! Ngak merasa uang itu money WELL SPENT !

Itulah the biggest tragedy in the Indonesian market today ! Yang sanggup ngak mau bayar, ngak ngerti, ngak mau ngerti.

Yang ngak sanggup, sebenernya mau, tapi lui ngak cukup. In this case, its NOT their fault though ! I perfectly understand ! Ya Avanza lebih aman dari pada naik motor no matter what !

Cuman I suggest to these guys yang luinya belum cukup, dari pada beli Avanza 100 juta, mending cari mobil bekas lain yang lebih kuat, safety lebih lengkap. Banyak kok. Seperti Accord, Civic, Corolla lama misalnya. Meskipun belum tentu ada airbags, tapi at least besinya pasti lebih kokoh dan kuat banding Avanza.

Kalau mau mobil baru, ya sudah. BUT pls nanti uangnya sudah ada, tolong cepat upgrade. Bukan demi gengsi, but for protection !

Seperti bangunan lama dan AC lama. Lebih kokoh, bebas bocor banding yang baru.
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Memang dulu C23 di jual di Eropa, TAPI mana ada C24 di jual di Eropa ?

U will not find ONE C24 in the roads of Europe, cause its NOT on SALE THERE !
HA!

Dan kenapa C24 tidak dijual di Eropa, pasar yang paling concern pada safety? Tahu tidak, Pak??

Karena C24 itu tidak memenuhi standar Nissan di Eropa sana!!

Hanya 2 airbags dan ABS etc, Anda sebut mobil super aman?? Hah, itu sih cuma berlaku di Indo! Di Eropa yang hatchback kecil seperti RENAULT MODUS (buatan GHOSN) saja sudah dilengkapi 6 AIRBAGS, mobil sebesar Serena tapi hanya 2 airbags itu tergolong mobil yang berbahaya buat anak2! Apalagi airbag depannya juga tidak bisa dimatikan kalau ada anak kecil duduk di depan, lalu anak mau ditaruh dimana??

Memang benar, mana mungkin Serena dijual di Eropa??
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SMers, since I am risking my reputation on this matter, supaya yakinkan anda I ngak bohong, silahkan baca article ini :

http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/artic ... page_m.asp

FIRST LOOKS

New Nissan Serena
November 16, 2004. 11:35 PM By Chips Yap

Edaran Tan Chong Motor has announced an upgrade for its Nissan Serena MPV which sees a new engine being fitted and cosmetic changes that freshen its looks. The full-sized MPV now comes with a body-coloured front grille and a new front bumper which adds a sense of stability and width.

The new engine, which drives the front wheels, is the QR20DE 2.0-litre 16-valve engine with CVTC (Continuously Variable Valve Timing control) to optimize performance and boost torque in the low to midrange. The engine is also very fuel efficient and environment-friendly. Of note is the use of an electrically-actuated throttle (by-wire) which gives more refined performance and quick response. Incidentally, this engine is also fitted to the popular X-Trail SUV.

The Serena comes only with a 4-speed E-ATx automatic transmission which has an E-Flow torque converter. The latter reduces power losses in the hydraulic system to improve performance and also promotes smoother shifting.

The chassis of the latest Serena is unchanged although, typical of any leading manufacturer, there are improvements made throughout the life of the model in the Japanese spirit of kaizen (constant improvement). The front suspension consists of independent MacPherson struts while the rear uses a multi-link layout for comfort and stability.

Safety-wise, the Serena meets high standards which are encompassed in the Nissan Triple Safety Concept. It has scored five stars in the Japanese New Car Assessment Program (JNCAP) so it is a very safe MPV. This high standard of safety comes from having such features as a Zone Body Construction which provides superior protection for the occupants during an accident. Additionally, the front occupants also have the extra protection from SRS airbags,

Active safety is also generously provided to help the driver avoid accidents. There’s ABS with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD) which is especially valuable for a MPV that can have varying loads on board and also varying distribution of the load. With EBD, braking efficiency is optimised between front and rear wheels for balanced stopping power.

The system also has Brake Assist, which boosts braking pressure during emergency braking. A sensor detects the way the brake pedal is depressed. If a condition is detected which suggests that the emergency braking is being done, the pressure in the system is boosted to achieve better stopping performance. Experts say that brake systems with ABS need to be worked very hard to perform at their best. However, most motorists do not press the pedal hard enough so Brake Assist makes up for that.

When it comes to standard equipment, the new Serena is also very well equipped with convenience features – central locking, power windows, dual-zone fully-automatic air-conditioner, folding table between the front seats and a large 8.4-inch LCD screen with DVD player as an option.

There’s lots of room for seven adults in the 3.9 square metre (42 sq ft) cabin which is claimed to have best-in-class height and width. The large glass panels around it have heat-absorbing film to reduce heat gain within while allowing light to come in. Leather upholstery is standard with second-row ‘captain seats’ and there is a possibility of nine different seating arrangements. For maximum cargo capacity, folding up the seats will provide up to 1,360 litres of space. Alternatively, the second and third rows can be folded flat to form a bed of sorts.

The new Nissan Serena is available in two versions – Comfort and Highway Star – with on-the-road prices starting from RM126,288.89 (excluding insurance premium, Peninsula Malaysia). It can be viewed at all Nissan showrooms around Malaysia and to arrange for a test-drive, click on the Nissan banner on our mainpage at http://www.motortrader.com.my (refresh the page if you don’t see it the first time) or call/SMS 012-7232323.

I'll find more proof from JNCAP. Wait for my news... Instead U guys think Nissan Malaysia bohong juga.
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Darklord, saya kan kasih link-nya, berarti saya tidak mengada-ada, kecuali website itu milik saya :wink:

Kalau tidak dijual kenapa ada di site itu, emang itu website kacangan ?
Saya rasa tidak mungkin barang lama dijual di Europe :e-dance:

Kalau memang Darklord ada koreksi, berikan link-nya dong, biar kita sama-sama lihat, jangan sewot gitu.


Sithlord wrote:I always recommend GOOD and SAFE cars for all SMers and all Indonesians. Kalau ada orang sembarangan serang, pakai fakta PALSU lagi, siapa yang bisa terima ?!

Where got C24 pakai mesin 1600 cc !

Memang dulu C23 di jual di Eropa, TAPI mana ada C24 di jual di Eropa ?

U will not find ONE C24 in the roads of Europe, cause its NOT on SALE THERE !

U know nothing about Nissan cars, so lu tidak pantas commentar mobil mereka !

Obviously lu so desperate mau serang saya, lu ketik Serena, safety crash test di google, ah ! Dapat bintang 3, kesenengan, langsung main tancap di forum ini.

By doing that, U just proved your own worthlessness !

I admit I lose my temper this time. Orang mau serang saya, mau debate saya, saya terima, ngak akan marah, kalau lawan pakai fakta accurate, pakai gaya gentleman.

I am human, di gituin, di lawan membabi buta tanpa alasan baik, siapa bisa terima ?

Kalau lu begitu di dunia bisnis, main tuduh orang tanpa fakta yang benar, apalagi di luar Indonesia, lu bisa di sue, dan masuk penjara, atau keluar duit banyak untuk compensasi pencemaran nama baik orang !

SMers, forgive me for losing my cool this time, but its obvious, ini orang bukan bodoh, dia cuman membabi buta, main tembak saja. Kalau dia anak kecil, ngak ngerti mobil, ngak ngerti cara differentiate versi mobil, bedanya C23 ama C24, masih mendingan.

But its obvious this guy sebenernya bukan orang yang ngak ngerti mobil. Dia cuman hoki hokian lempar pisau, hope it will kill me !
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Post by conan »

Additionally, the front occupants also have the extra protection from SRS airbags,
What about the rear passengers? And the third-row passengers? Where do they get their SRS airbags from..?
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You know something conan, I think U really want to make enemies with me eh !

Lu kirain semua mobil Eropa ada di Jepang ? Apakah mobil Eropa yang ngak di jual di Jepang kurang aman ?

Sudah jelas saat ini di banyak negara, mobil macam Serena sudah lumayan. Lu demi serang saya, mempermasalahkan selisih 4 airbags doang.

Memang semua mobil Toyota dan Honda juga 6 airbag ?

U know, right now, I finally decide, u no longer exist. U just proved you are not a fair guy. Sama dengan kucing itu, demi serang saya, membabi buta, even though jelas, banyak mobil Toyota dan Honda juga 2 airbags doang di Jepang, maupun Eropa.

I never expect a guy like U could resort to such arguments !

conan, as far as I am concerned, u are GOING, GOING - GONE !

I must say I am really disappointed with U ! U ilmunya banyak, tapi demi serang I doang, sudah ngak ada senjata, juga ikut membabi buta, kalau gitu, Voxy / Noah juga payah dong ! Cuman 2 airbag, ngak di jual di Eropa.

So are Alphards, Wishes, Sientas, ists, etc. yang ngak di jual di Eropa. Apakah mobil payah juga mereka ?
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Sithlord wrote:Actually, I sendiri sadar, kalau orang Indo kebiasaanya begitu terus, even Nissan takutnya satu hari akan ikut pula kebiasaan Honda dan Toyota. Gimana ngak. Penjualannya sangat tinggi untuk mobil " kosong ! "
Thats why to prevent Nissan and other ATPMs from behaving like that in the future, kita harus benar benar say good bye to such cars once and for all !
Kalau sampai Nissan ikut Toyota jual mobil kosongan, yah dosanya Nissan sendiri lah, jangan lantas Nissan menyalahkan Toyota sehingga Nissan AUV nanti juga ada versi yang dijual kosongan.
Soalnya ketika Nissan AUV mengikuti Toyota IMV, dan Nissan mengikuti JIT nya Toyota, kan Nissan juga bilangnya gak copy dari Toyota.
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U like Toyota and Honda eh ? Tell me, are ALL their cars, all their family cars more than 2 airbags ? Damn it !
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Saya ngak bilang Nissan salahkan Toyota. Cuman lihat siapa yang DAMPAKnya lebih besar !

Seperti, maling A bunuh 10,000 anak sebulan. Maling B bunuh say 100-200 sebulan.

Dua duanya memang dosa, tapi siapa yang patut terima hukuman lebih berat ?
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Pertanyaanku, Dark Lord, kalau Anda memang ASLI begitu concern pada SAFETY, dan bukan karena FANATIK pada Nissan, lalu kenapa Anda tidak pernah promosi mobil2 RENAULT? Hmm?

Mobil2 Renault juga tidak semahal mobil2 Eropa lainnya seperti BMW, Mercedes, Audi, bahkan VW.
Harga Renault lebih mirip dengan Peugeot, yang affordable dan the little extra price over Japanese cars is worth ALL the SAFETY features, kan?
Harga mobil2 Renault bahkan hanya Rp 200-300 jutaan, tidak jauh dengan Nissan. Tapi SAFETY featuresnya jauh lebih banyak! 6 airbags! Kebanyakan mobil2 Nissan bahkan cuma punya dua, tuh.

Jawablah pertanyaan ini, Dark Lord, apa salahnya dengan mobil2 Renault?

Bukankah CEO-nya Ghosn juga?

Bukankah resale value tidak usah terlalu dipikirkan, toh mau pakai lama?

Kenapa Anda tidak pernah promosi Renault dan malah selalu promosi Nissan??
Jelas2 bahwa model2 Renault lebih aman daripada Nissan! Sebenarnya Anda lebih sayang nyawa (safety) atau duit (resale value), sih? :e-naughty: :e-naughty:
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Sudah jelas saat ini di banyak negara, mobil macam Serena sudah lumayan. Lu demi serang saya, mempermasalahkan selisih 4 airbags doang.
"Selisih 4 airbag doang"??

Ya, ampun, Dark Lord! Kalau begitu, kenapa ada mobil dengan 6 airbag, 7 airbag, bahkan 9 airbags? Cuman selisih 4 doang, 5 doang, 7 doang??

Kita berbicara tentang selisih 4 NYAWA disini!
conan, as far as I am concerned, u are GOING, GOING - GONE !
Ah, alasan saja karena tidak bisa menjawab pertanyaanku di atas, kan? Coba jawab, kenapa Nissan dan bukan Renault yang jelas2 jauh lebih aman, Pak?
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hdrw wrote:
Sithlord wrote:Actually, I sendiri sadar, kalau orang Indo kebiasaanya begitu terus, even Nissan takutnya satu hari akan ikut pula kebiasaan Honda dan Toyota. Gimana ngak. Penjualannya sangat tinggi untuk mobil " kosong ! "
Thats why to prevent Nissan and other ATPMs from behaving like that in the future, kita harus benar benar say good bye to such cars once and for all !
Kalau sampai Nissan ikut Toyota jual mobil kosongan, yah dosanya Nissan sendiri lah, jangan lantas Nissan menyalahkan Toyota sehingga Nissan AUV nanti juga ada versi yang dijual kosongan.
Soalnya ketika Nissan AUV mengikuti Toyota IMV, dan Nissan mengikuti JIT nya Toyota, kan Nissan juga bilangnya gak copy dari Toyota.
Tepat sekali. Lihat saja nanti, AUV pasti ada varian tanpa airbag, dan varian ini akan menjadi volume penjualan terbesar! Pada saat itu Dark Lord paling2 hanya akan mengatakan :
Seperti, maling A bunuh 10,000 anak sebulan. Maling B bunuh say 100-200 sebulan.

Dua duanya memang dosa, tapi siapa yang patut terima hukuman lebih berat ?
Mau perkosa 100 wanita atau 10,000 wanita, korupsi Rp 100 juta atau Rp 100 Milyar, dosanya kan sama saja, Pak!
Kalau tidak sama, berarti boleh dong, sekali2 bunuh, perkosa atau korupsi? Tidak begitu, kan?

And btw, Anda ini "emotionally unstable", ya? Katanya sudah sabar, sudah married etc etc tapi buktinya, eh meledak sendiri juga.
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Wah... ada 2 hal dari pernyataan Bung Conan yang perlu aku tanggapi : pertama soal perlunya diskusi. Aku bukan tidak setuju dengan diskusi... bahkan sangat setuju, tapi mbok ya jangan lalu jadi personal fight dong... lalu saran supaya aku tidak perlu jadi a saint... hehehe... sebetulnya kalo mau bilang jujur, tanpa sopan santun, aku mau bilang : I've had enough with your fight with Mr. Sithlord.... Tapi kalo liat gelagatnya, memang jangan2 kita semua ini are being fooled by the same person who pretends to be 2 persons having eternal fight.... hehehehe... Kenapa tidak berani duduk bersama, ngopi2 di Citos, berdebat dalam suasana yang lain ?
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Mungkin kita ini dipermainkan oleh seorang yang luarbiasa cerdas, energik, tapi memiliki "split personality" atau kepribadian ganda....
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frontier wrote:Mungkin kita ini dipermainkan oleh seorang yang luarbiasa cerdas, energik, tapi memiliki "split personality" atau kepribadian ganda....
Likewise, Mr. Frontier, I also think you have two nicks..the other one is an engine performance expert that you constantly 'praise' about..complimenting yourself, perhaps?

Everything you throw at another can be thrown right back to you, Sir. See? Now, you might want to think about that, the next time you want to throw something at someone.
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Bung Frontier, saran untuk ketemuan itu jelas tidak ada guna, karena jika mereka memang orang yang sama, apa susahnya bagi orang tersebut untuk menyuruh dua temannya untuk mengaku bahwa Si Budi adalah Bung Conan dan Si Hendrik adalah Sithlord ?
Kebayang gak yang saya omong, Si Budi dan Si Hendrik beramah tamah dengan warga sm lainnya dan si dalang yang super genius guling-guling ke tanah karena gak bisa menahan gelinya, karena dia berhasil mengerjai semua orang :e-dance:

Justru kalau berdasarkan feeling saya, ada seseorang yang di forum ini yang secara sistematis membelokkan opini publik sesuai dengan apa yang dia kehendaki.

Saya terus terang merasa kagum dengan kemampuan dia dalam hal tersebut. Dia bisa bertingkah seperti orang tua yang bijaksana, tetapi di sisi lain dia juga mempunyai sisi negatif seperti kedengkian (kebencian terhadap orang kaya misalnya).
Kebencian terhadap orang kaya ini dalam psikologi massa sering dimanfaatkan untuk meraih simpati publik. Cara-cara ini banyak digunakan di dalam politik.
Ngapain hybrid diberi subsidi toh yang beli kan orang kaya :D
Begitu juga peran sebagai orang tua yang bijak, biasa digunakan untuk menarik simpati publik, digunakan sebagai topeng dari tindakan yang akan dia lakukan sebenarnya.

Dari satu issue ke issue lain dia lontarkan, kalau kita jeli melihatnya akan terlihat sebenarnya polanya bagaimana.

Saya terus terang juga sering berpikir siapakah dia itu sebenarnya.
Andaikata dia memang orang yang memiliki hubungan istimewa dengan merk yang dibelanya, saya pikir tindakan dia tersebut motifnya murni adalah kepentingan bisnis. Tetapi tentu saja usaha yang dia lakukan tersebut tidak etis.
Bagaimana pun bentuk suatu persaingan bisnis, tetap harus ada etika bisnis-nya.
Bahkan, di medan perang yang ganas saja ada etikanya seperti misalnya tidak boleh mengganggu anak, wanita dan penduduk sipil.

Jika dia orang pribadi, lepas dari hubungan istimewa dengan merk yang dibelanya, saya kira dia seorang psikopat, yang pendiriannya teramat labil, bisa berubah dari waktu ke waktu.

Apakah thread ini untuk melengkapi Autobild edisi kemarin yang ada test drive mobil baru, yaitu Serena CT ?
Saya terus terang shock melihat Serena CT disebut mobil baru, ngawur banget tuch majalah, seperti gak ada kerjaan saja, emang gak ada bahan lagi, mobil sudah launching dua tahun di test drive sekarang, malu-maluin saja :cry:

Yang jelas anda sekalian berhadapan dengan seorang pakar komunikasi. Mudah-mudahan dia sudah sadar apa yang dilakukannya, karena topeng-topengnya sudah mulai terbuka :wink:
frontier wrote:Mungkin kita ini dipermainkan oleh seorang yang luarbiasa cerdas, energik, tapi memiliki "split personality" atau kepribadian ganda....
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TomS wrote:Darklord, saya kan kasih link-nya, berarti saya tidak mengada-ada, kecuali website itu milik saya :wink:

Kalau tidak dijual kenapa ada di site itu, emang itu website kacangan ?
Saya rasa tidak mungkin barang lama dijual di Europe :e-dance:

Kalau memang Darklord ada koreksi, berikan link-nya dong, biar kita sama-sama lihat, jangan sewot gitu.


Sithlord wrote:I always recommend GOOD and SAFE cars for all SMers and all Indonesians. Kalau ada orang sembarangan serang, pakai fakta PALSU lagi, siapa yang bisa terima ?!

Where got C24 pakai mesin 1600 cc !

Memang dulu C23 di jual di Eropa, TAPI mana ada C24 di jual di Eropa ?

U will not find ONE C24 in the roads of Europe, cause its NOT on SALE THERE !

U know nothing about Nissan cars, so lu tidak pantas commentar mobil mereka !

Obviously lu so desperate mau serang saya, lu ketik Serena, safety crash test di google, ah ! Dapat bintang 3, kesenengan, langsung main tancap di forum ini.

By doing that, U just proved your own worthlessness !

I admit I lose my temper this time. Orang mau serang saya, mau debate saya, saya terima, ngak akan marah, kalau lawan pakai fakta accurate, pakai gaya gentleman.

I am human, di gituin, di lawan membabi buta tanpa alasan baik, siapa bisa terima ?

Kalau lu begitu di dunia bisnis, main tuduh orang tanpa fakta yang benar, apalagi di luar Indonesia, lu bisa di sue, dan masuk penjara, atau keluar duit banyak untuk compensasi pencemaran nama baik orang !

SMers, forgive me for losing my cool this time, but its obvious, ini orang bukan bodoh, dia cuman membabi buta, main tembak saja. Kalau dia anak kecil, ngak ngerti mobil, ngak ngerti cara differentiate versi mobil, bedanya C23 ama C24, masih mendingan.

But its obvious this guy sebenernya bukan orang yang ngak ngerti mobil. Dia cuman hoki hokian lempar pisau, hope it will kill me !
Bung Toms, kalo melihat gambar waktu crash test itu, memang itu sebenarnya serena c23. CMIIW
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Bung Toms, kayaknya bukan aku seorang saja yang mulai curiga ya ? hehehe..... Pak PenyuTurbo !!! ikutan dooong... penilaian Anda gimana pak ? Atau SMers yang lainnya gimana.... cerita tentang Conan vs Sithlord atau Nissan vs merk lain, itu nampaknya udah mulai bikin kita lelah ya....