Sodium battery = harapan batere yg aman utk EV ? (dari resiko Thermal runaway)

[Turboman]

Baca2 berbagai artikel dikatakan Sodium / Na battery = aman dari resiko Thermal Runaway

Dan harapan akan harga batere yg terjangkau, karena bahan baku nya (Na) adalah dari Garam air laut, beda dengan Garam Litihium yang hanya terdapat di bbrp negara dan skg udah dikuasai "Mafia" / Bandar besar (harganya udah Nggilani)

Bila kinerja Sodium battery nantinya berhasil mendekati Li Ion batt, maka Indonesia akan menjadi ONE STOP SOLUTION bagi penyediaan bahan baku batere spt :
- Nikel
- Cobalt
- Sodium / Natrium (dari Garam air laut)

Tambang Natrium sistem Reverse Osmosis air laut nanti mungkin akan menghasilkan produk ganda :
- Natrium
- Air tawar bersih

karena prosesnya bisa dengan Reverse Osmosis air laut jadi air tawar, jadi kalo dulu RO air laut limbahnya = mineral air laut (termasuk Na)

nah nanti produk utama nya = Na
Dan "limbah" nya = air tawar bersih yang juga bisa dijual / dimanfaatkan

Sekali pukul 2 tujuan tercapai

Disclemer

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.en ... ls.2c02889#

[Suryaputra]

menarik emang, challengenya adalah volume vs batt capacity

krn untuk capacity yg sama spt lithium, butuh volume battery yg jauh lbh besar, buat si Sodium Battery

energy density nya masih lbh rendah dibanding li-ion

[Turboman]

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Mari lanjutkan diskusi sesuai judul

Jangan ujung2 nanti jadi Pro Kontra EV / EV vs ICE lagi

Terima kasih

[Turboman]

Kalo melihat adanya batere Lithium / Natrium / Silver dll

berartti sebetulnya semua zat2 logam / konduktiv bisa dibuat menjadi batere, hanya saat soal energy density / cycle life nya yg berbeda beda ya

Ada Batt Kalium / Batt Magnesium dll

Bahkan zat anti Gondok yaitu YODIUM pun bisa dibuat menjadi batere

Cuman 1 tanda tanya dgn adanya Batere Na ini

akankah harga Garam "To The Moon " ?

if yes, akan berpengaruh thd harga bumbu makanan nantinya

Discl

[Suryaputra]

Trit ini saya buat KHUSUS bagi para penggemar kemajuan / penemuan2 baru / penggemar EV

Mari lanjutkan diskusi sesuai judul

Jangan ujung2 nanti jadi Pro Kontra EV / EV vs ICE lagi

Terima kasih

diadu sama tenaga nuklir ntar mbah

Kalo melihat adanya batere Lithium / Natrium / Silver dll

berartti sebetulnya semua zat2 logam / konduktiv bisa dibuat menjadi batere, hanya saat soal energy density / cycle life nya yg berbeda beda ya

Bahkan zat anti Gondok yaitu YODIUM pun bisa dibuat menjadi batere

Cuman 1 tanda tanya dgn adanya Batere Na ini

akankah harga Garam "To The Moon " ?

if yes, akan berpengaruh thd harga bumbu makanan nantinya

Discl

terutama micin
bahan dasarnya jg garam

[well]

kalau sy lagi kepikir, ini penemuan yg bagus, dan arahnya kedepan bisa di produksi massal. Kira kira apa ya yg bisa kita lakukan untuk kita manfaatkan bukan sbg konsumen tp sebagai produsen?

[kendibocor]

Intinya sih batere Na lebih murah, resourcesnya gampang ga kayak lithium yg tergantung situasi geopolitical, lebih aman dari resiko kebakar. Tp si lithium lebih besar potensi energinya. Pertanyaannya misalkan di volume yg sama, berapa persen potensi energi yg bisa disimpan sama si Na dibanding sama si lithium? Hal ini kan pasti berhubungan drngan peforma dan jarak tempuh.

[grimjow]

Bacaan bagus nih.
Intinya sih masih Li-on beberapa tahun ke depan.
BYD pun rumor nya mao keluarin small range hatchback dengan Sod-ion, tapi tetap keluarin nya Li-on lagi.

The Big Boys Have a Grip on EV Batteries the Industry Cannot Break Free From
But who are these companies, and is there any alternative to lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries out there on the horizon?

The biggest fish in the sea of electric vehicle battery manufacturing is Contemporary Aperex Technology Company Limited (CATL). The Ningde, China-based company formed in 2011 has a worldwide Li-ion battery manufacturing market share of 34%, which represents the lion's share of China's 56% overall slice of the pie. It manufactures solid-state and Li-ion batteries for mass-market manufacturers Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen, in addition to supplying batteries for Tesla's China operations at Giga Shanghai.

CATL also has joint venture agreements with BMW and Chinese automakers SAIC Motors, Geely Auto Group, Dongfeng Motors, GAC Group, and FAW Group.

Sales in 2022 increased by over 115% to over 70.9-gigawatt hours of battery power, according to South Korea’s SNE research.
South Korea-based LG Energy Solution comes in at distant No. 2 in 2022 sales, holding a market share of 14%. Despite taking a $1.9 billion hit from the defective battery debacle involving 143,000 Chevrolet Bolts, it remained the world's second-largest EV battery manufacturer. The company partnered with GM on its Ultium battery development and production, announcing the construction of three U.S.-based facilities, all three coming online by 2025. LG also formed a joint venture with Honda to produce EV batteries on U.S. soil and, more recently, a subsidiary, LG Chem announced plans to invest $3 billion in an EV battery cathode plant in the U.S.

China-based Build Your Dreams (BYD) surged ahead of Panasonic to become the third largest EV battery manufacturer in the world (12%) on the strength of its blade battery that utilizes lithium-ion phosphate (LFP) technology, offering improved thermal stability and greater impact resistance.

In June, BYD confirmed that it will be supplying batteries for Tesla, but it was not clear whether they would support worldwide Tesla production or just domestic production.

Panasonic fell to No. 4, with a 10% market share but is poised to capitalize on the joint development of the 4680 battery cell with Tesla. Panasonic has been a longtime supplier of batteries to Tesla and has been credited with helping Tesla dominate the EV industry over the last several years.
As we mentioned earlier, China's dominance is based on its ability to control the lithium market from the mining phase to the refining of the metal and unless new reserves are discovered, innovation in terms of utilizing others materials will be critical to the growth of the EV market. It should be noted that other rare earth minerals vital to the production of EV batteries are also largely controlled by Chinese companies. Cobalt, for example, is also a critical metal, with 80% of those reserves held by Chinese companies, controlling day-to-day operations in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Getting back to the lithium issue, luckily the U.S. does have a degree of lithium reserves albeit, a meager 3% of the world's reserves. Currently, Albemarle is the only company mining for lithium at its Silver Peak, Nevada, mine but is only extracting enough of the metal to produce 80,000 EVs per year or about a fifth of the number of EVs sold in the first six months of 2022, according to the Institute For Energy Research (IFR).

So, where exactly does the industry stand in terms of electric vehicle battery innovation?

Sodium-ion battery technology has been identified as a potential alternative to Li-ion batteries. They offer cost, safety, and sustainability advantages over their Li-ion counterpart. Raw materials are widely available and inexpensive and production capabilities mimicking those used in lithium production could be rapidly scaled to meet demand. However, this type of battery does not possess the energy density of Li-ion batteries and does not have sufficient charge-discharge cycles for today's EV demands.
Solid state batteries (SSBs) may represent the best alternative Li-ion batteries due to their safety, lighter weight, and higher density advantages. SSBs are more chemically stable and pack more power in relation to the overall size. In fact, Ford and BMW have invested in Colorado-based Solid Power, which produces SSB using a solid versus a liquid electrolyte.

In closing, the industry will continue to face concerns revolving around lithium and Li-ion batteries until a viable alternative in terms of cost, power, and sustainability is found. The good news is that everyone involved in the automotive industry is well aware of the elephant in the room and it is much too large to be swept under the rug.

Electric vehicles will continue to evolve but only at a rate dictated by new and more cost-effective means of producing them and therefore, making them more affordable at the retail level.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the- ... 07613.html

[darrelund]

Intinya sih batere Na lebih murah, resourcesnya gampang ga kayak lithium yg tergantung situasi geopolitical, lebih aman dari resiko kebakar. Tp si lithium lebih besar potensi energinya. Pertanyaannya misalkan di volume yg sama, berapa persen potensi energi yg bisa disimpan sama si Na dibanding sama si lithium? Hal ini kan pasti berhubungan drngan peforma dan jarak tempuh.

skrg sih utk energy density Na masi dibawah Li

Volumetric density (litre)

Li-ion : 200–683 W·h/L
Na : 250–375 W·h/L

tapi yg menariknya batere Na sih

1: lebi murah, minim risk
2 : temp operating range jauh lebi bagus a.k.a bisa di abuse, -20C s/d 60C

sementara Li-ion harus dijaga bgt 15-35C

yg makan range plg gede di EV kan cooling system

[darrelund]

Trit ini saya buat KHUSUS bagi para penggemar kemajuan / penemuan2 baru / penggemar EV

Mari lanjutkan diskusi sesuai judul

Jangan ujung2 nanti jadi Pro Kontra EV / EV vs ICE lagi

Terima kasih

diadu sama tenaga nuklir ntar mbah

dulu kan di amrik jaman atomic era pada demen tuh bikin konsep mini-reactor dipasang ke mobil

bisa 15rb km sampe refuel lg

sudah lenyap impian itu

[Suryaputra]

Trit ini saya buat KHUSUS bagi para penggemar kemajuan / penemuan2 baru / penggemar EV

Mari lanjutkan diskusi sesuai judul

Jangan ujung2 nanti jadi Pro Kontra EV / EV vs ICE lagi

Terima kasih

diadu sama tenaga nuklir ntar mbah

dulu kan di amrik jaman atomic era pada demen tuh bikin konsep mini-reactor dipasang ke mobil

bisa 15rb km sampe refuel lg

sudah lenyap impian itu

Capex dibikin gede,
Sekali beli bisa milyaran

Intinya sih batere Na lebih murah, resourcesnya gampang ga kayak lithium yg tergantung situasi geopolitical, lebih aman dari resiko kebakar. Tp si lithium lebih besar potensi energinya. Pertanyaannya misalkan di volume yg sama, berapa persen potensi energi yg bisa disimpan sama si Na dibanding sama si lithium? Hal ini kan pasti berhubungan drngan peforma dan jarak tempuh.

skrg sih utk energy density Na masi dibawah Li

Volumetric density (litre)

Li-ion : 200–683 W·h/L
Na : 250–375 W·h/L

tapi yg menariknya batere Na sih

1: lebi murah, minim risk
2 : temp operating range jauh lebi bagus a.k.a bisa di abuse, -20C s/d 60C

sementara Li-ion harus dijaga bgt 15-35C

yg makan range plg gede di EV kan cooling system

Di jakarta aja gak jarang sering nyentuh 40 c ambience temp nya

Apalagi area surabaya atau kalimantan sekalian lebih mantep

Makanya batre garam ini potensial, dan jauh lbh safe untuk lingkungan theoritically

[Salvanost]

Bacaan bagus nih.
Intinya sih masih Li-on beberapa tahun ke depan.
BYD pun rumor nya mao keluarin small range hatchback dengan Sod-ion, tapi tetap keluarin nya Li-on lagi.

The Big Boys Have a Grip on EV Batteries the Industry Cannot Break Free From
But who are these companies, and is there any alternative to lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries out there on the horizon?

The biggest fish in the sea of electric vehicle battery manufacturing is Contemporary Aperex Technology Company Limited (CATL). The Ningde, China-based company formed in 2011 has a worldwide Li-ion battery manufacturing market share of 34%, which represents the lion's share of China's 56% overall slice of the pie. It manufactures solid-state and Li-ion batteries for mass-market manufacturers Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen, in addition to supplying batteries for Tesla's China operations at Giga Shanghai.

CATL also has joint venture agreements with BMW and Chinese automakers SAIC Motors, Geely Auto Group, Dongfeng Motors, GAC Group, and FAW Group.

Sales in 2022 increased by over 115% to over 70.9-gigawatt hours of battery power, according to South Korea’s SNE research.
South Korea-based LG Energy Solution comes in at distant No. 2 in 2022 sales, holding a market share of 14%. Despite taking a $1.9 billion hit from the defective battery debacle involving 143,000 Chevrolet Bolts, it remained the world's second-largest EV battery manufacturer. The company partnered with GM on its Ultium battery development and production, announcing the construction of three U.S.-based facilities, all three coming online by 2025. LG also formed a joint venture with Honda to produce EV batteries on U.S. soil and, more recently, a subsidiary, LG Chem announced plans to invest $3 billion in an EV battery cathode plant in the U.S.

China-based Build Your Dreams (BYD) surged ahead of Panasonic to become the third largest EV battery manufacturer in the world (12%) on the strength of its blade battery that utilizes lithium-ion phosphate (LFP) technology, offering improved thermal stability and greater impact resistance.

In June, BYD confirmed that it will be supplying batteries for Tesla, but it was not clear whether they would support worldwide Tesla production or just domestic production.

Panasonic fell to No. 4, with a 10% market share but is poised to capitalize on the joint development of the 4680 battery cell with Tesla. Panasonic has been a longtime supplier of batteries to Tesla and has been credited with helping Tesla dominate the EV industry over the last several years.
As we mentioned earlier, China's dominance is based on its ability to control the lithium market from the mining phase to the refining of the metal and unless new reserves are discovered, innovation in terms of utilizing others materials will be critical to the growth of the EV market. It should be noted that other rare earth minerals vital to the production of EV batteries are also largely controlled by Chinese companies. Cobalt, for example, is also a critical metal, with 80% of those reserves held by Chinese companies, controlling day-to-day operations in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Getting back to the lithium issue, luckily the U.S. does have a degree of lithium reserves albeit, a meager 3% of the world's reserves. Currently, Albemarle is the only company mining for lithium at its Silver Peak, Nevada, mine but is only extracting enough of the metal to produce 80,000 EVs per year or about a fifth of the number of EVs sold in the first six months of 2022, according to the Institute For Energy Research (IFR).

So, where exactly does the industry stand in terms of electric vehicle battery innovation?

Sodium-ion battery technology has been identified as a potential alternative to Li-ion batteries. They offer cost, safety, and sustainability advantages over their Li-ion counterpart. Raw materials are widely available and inexpensive and production capabilities mimicking those used in lithium production could be rapidly scaled to meet demand. However, this type of battery does not possess the energy density of Li-ion batteries and does not have sufficient charge-discharge cycles for today's EV demands.
Solid state batteries (SSBs) may represent the best alternative Li-ion batteries due to their safety, lighter weight, and higher density advantages. SSBs are more chemically stable and pack more power in relation to the overall size. In fact, Ford and BMW have invested in Colorado-based Solid Power, which produces SSB using a solid versus a liquid electrolyte.

In closing, the industry will continue to face concerns revolving around lithium and Li-ion batteries until a viable alternative in terms of cost, power, and sustainability is found. The good news is that everyone involved in the automotive industry is well aware of the elephant in the room and it is much too large to be swept under the rug.

Electric vehicles will continue to evolve but only at a rate dictated by new and more cost-effective means of producing them and therefore, making them more affordable at the retail level.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the- ... 07613.html

80% baterai EV disupply dari China
numpang ketawa aja,kalau segi pembahasan saya masih percaya sama BYD, udah terbukti baterainya

[ctopher7]

akirnya ada yang melek di indo kalo limbah ev juga ngerusak lingkungan