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ween wrote:bagaimana dgn mu-7.....bisa ngelawan ga yah?
Pesaing MU-7, baik dr harga dan kelas, adalah Fortuner. Dan Isuzu tidak berani menantang Fortuner, karena MU-7 kalah teknologi dan hampir segalanya..tapi di Thailand sih, MU-7 is giving Fortuner a pretty good fight (I think)..
Setao gue di Thailand pun MU-7 kalah bersaing jauh dibanding fortuner. MU-7 keluar pada waktu yang salah, karena dari model, interior, accesories dan kefleksibilitas kalah dibanding fortuner. Di jalanan Thailand gue sangat jarang liat ada MU-7 dibanding ngeliat fortuner. Bahkan waktu autoshow di Thailand sangat sedikit yg ngelirik dibanding single/double cab modelnya.
Hanya model single/double cab isuzu yg bisa fight dominasi toyota di Thailand.
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ween wrote:hmmmm....kapan mu-7 keluar di indo. kira2 harganya berapa y? khan lumayan, kalo ga bisa lawan fortuner,paling engga bisa fight sama everest k?
yah....di kelas innova...ga ada perlawanan dari isuzu nih.......legenda panther bakal musnah?
MU-7 maybe gak jadi diluncurin di Indo, kalo liat animo masy. thd MU-& yg boleh dibilang sangat rendah. Karena dari segi harga udah sangat mahal; harga MU-7 hampir setara dgn fortuner, bermain dikisaran harga 300 jt-an kalo masuk indo.
Hmm... panther musnah? kayaknya gak juga kalo liat sukses panther di Indo. Mungkin mereka (panther) sedikit terlambat ngeluncurin new produk mereka, tapi gue yakin ntar juga pasti muncul new panther buat ngelawan innova, zinger, auv kog
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I think berapa hari lalu lihat di daftar TPT Dperin, I think I saw Isuzu ada proses uji tipe MU-7 !
So bisa saja Isuzu is considering the MU-7 here.
Tapi saya sudah lihat saat Gaikindo. I think she stands little chance. Not too pretty, interior biasa dan kuno, dan baris 3nya disaster ! Sempit banget ! Malah Panther Touring yang sekarang masih lebih enak dan lega !
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Tapi saya sudah lihat saat Gaikindo. I think she stands little chance. Not too pretty, interior biasa dan kuno, dan baris 3nya disaster ! Sempit banget ! Malah Panther Touring yang sekarang masih lebih enak dan lega !
Hebat. SUV dibandingkan dengan minibus, dan lagi2 tentang baris ketiga.
Sudah jelas kalau minibus harus bisa muat banyak, namanya juga mini-BUS. Bus mini gitu lho!
Kalau semua orang membandingkan baris ketiga, siapa sih yang beli Fortuner daripada Innova?? Hmm??
Sithlord wrote:Whats wrong in comparing the MU7 with the Panther ? I am not comparing with the Aerio or Altis !
Itu kan sama saja seperti Anda comparing Innova vs Fortuner! Tapi Anda tidak menyalahkan semua pembeli Fortuner hanya karena Innova baris ketiganya lebih lega, kan?
Lalu kenapa membandingkan MU-7 dengan Panther? Kalau Isuzu tidak boleh jual MU-7 hanya karena baris ketiganya kalah lega dengan Panther, dengan logika yg sama Toyota juga seharusnya tidak jual Fortuner karena sudah ada Innova, kan??
Anda sadar tidak, Pak, bahwa MU-7 itu SUV, pesaingnya adalah Fortuner dan BUKAN Panther! SUV itu ada pasarnya sendiri!
Tapi kadang saya bisa pikir, debate panjang lebar juga sering capek. Di hidup kita ini sudah kadang pusing urusan day to day matters, kadang kasus " Domestic situation (U know what I mean ?)" as Bart Simpson puts it, sometimes the extra burden of debating can be quite tiring.
Sometimes saya juga inggin seperti member lain yang tinggal santai, sit back and relax, dan jadi penonton saja ! Setuju OK. Ngak setuju juga OK.
Malah ada yang sudah exit I think. Cause mereka sudah lama ngak muncul ! I really sometimes feels like exitting too, tapi its as hard as quitting smoking ! Cause I suka ngobrol tentang mobil.
I guess I'll try to reduce my debating intensity. Save myself energy. Bukan saya sebal ama debating partner, tapi as I get older, stamina turun, dan juga really, I'll remind myself, ngotot juga percuma, cause uang / mobil bukan I punya. Why be so evangelical ?
Sithlord wrote:Di hidup kita ini sudah kadang pusing urusan day to day matters, kadang kasus " Domestic situation (U know what I mean ?)" as Bart Simpson puts it, sometimes the extra burden of debating can be quite tiring.
Biasalah pak, kalau pengantin baru, dan baru punya bayi 1, memang biasalah banyak cekcok, nanti lama2 juga bisa saling mengerti, makin tenang, ha ha ha ...
Thanks for yr comforting words. Tapi memang saya makin setuju judul buku John Gray yang terkenal itu " Men are from Mars, woman are from Venus " !
Sometimes the differences in thoughts and stark misunderstandings can be so puzzling, incomprehensible. When things get tough, it can be like learning golf. Its so damn difficult that sometimes one wonders " Is it worth all the trouble ? "
Masalahnya jaman sekarang mayoritas wanita itu keras kepala, lebih ambitious. Jadi " aturnya " lebih susah !
Inggat satu scene di film seri " LOST ". Yang belum nonton carilah di Mangga Dua ! Bagus sekali !
In one scene, at the airport, a Korean wife is serving a husband. Then ada satu wanita Bule lihat, terus comment ama suaminya " If U expect me to do that to U, I'll shoot U first ! "
Then to my great laughter, know what the American husband said to her wife ? " U know something, their (Korean's) divorce rate is 20 times LOWER than ours ! "
Really, jika wanita sekarang ambil contoh dari wanita jaman dulu, jangan maunya " sainggan " ama suami, be more " soft ", I guess divorce rate akan ngak setinggi jaman sekarang ! All round the World divorce rates are skyrocketing !
Well, I am not on the verge of divorce though ! Just that after 4 years, I realize what many older relatives bilang benar " Its a lot of work to maintain a family together ! " Bukan hanya cari duit, tapi gimana bisa compromi cara pikir / sifat yang berbeda yang jaman dating mana ketahuan !
So for those singles, enjoy while U can ! Dan saat cari partner, be sure U know her as well as U can ! Cause if U find the wrong one, jangan bilang 4 tahun, bisa seperti banyak kasus celebrity ! 4 bulan bubar !
Really why I love my CAR even more ! Think about that ! Our cars serve us WITHOUT condition ! Kita lagi kaya, lagi miskin, lagi bad mood, lagi happy, mau di ajak kemana saja, mobil kita " IYA IYA " saja !
Mobil ngak pernah masalah agama kita apa, mobil di marahin juga ngak pernah lawan. Mobil di cuekin saat kita lagi pusing atau lagi main bola lamaan, ngak pernah complain !
Coba, kalau istri bisa 20% sifat mobil saja, sudah HEAVEN !
Now I know why ada kasus orang America BENAR nikahi mobilnya !
Thanks for yr comforting words. Tapi memang saya makin setuju judul buku John Gray yang terkenal itu " Men are from Mars, woman are from Venus " !
Sometimes the differences in thoughts and stark misunderstandings can be so puzzling, incomprehensible. When things get tough, it can be like learning golf. Its so damn difficult that sometimes one wonders " Is it worth all the trouble ? "
Masalahnya jaman sekarang mayoritas wanita itu keras kepala, lebih ambitious. Jadi " aturnya " lebih susah !
Inggat satu scene di film seri " LOST ". Yang belum nonton carilah di Mangga Dua ! Bagus sekali !
In one scene, at the airport, a Korean wife is serving a husband. Then ada satu wanita Bule lihat, terus comment ama suaminya " If U expect me to do that to U, I'll shoot U first ! "
Then to my great laughter, know what the American husband said to her wife ? " U know something, their (Korean's) divorce rate is 20 times LOWER than ours ! "
Really, jika wanita sekarang ambil contoh dari wanita jaman dulu, jangan maunya " sainggan " ama suami, be more " soft ", I guess divorce rate akan ngak setinggi jaman sekarang ! All round the World divorce rates are skyrocketing !
Well, I am not on the verge of divorce though ! Just that after 4 years, I realize what many older relatives bilang benar " Its a lot of work to maintain a family together ! " Bukan hanya cari duit, tapi gimana bisa compromi cara pikir / sifat yang berbeda yang jaman dating mana ketahuan !
So for those singles, enjoy while U can ! Dan saat cari partner, be sure U know her as well as U can ! Cause if U find the wrong one, jangan bilang 4 tahun, bisa seperti banyak kasus celebrity ! 4 bulan bubar !
Really why I love my CAR even more ! Think about that ! Our cars serve us WITHOUT condition ! Kita lagi kaya, lagi miskin, lagi bad mood, lagi happy, mau di ajak kemana saja, mobil kita " IYA IYA " saja !
Mobil ngak pernah masalah agama kita apa, mobil di marahin juga ngak pernah lawan. Mobil di cuekin saat kita lagi pusing atau lagi main bola lamaan, ngak pernah complain !
Coba, kalau istri bisa 20% sifat mobil saja, sudah HEAVEN !
Now I know why ada kasus orang America BENAR nikahi mobilnya !
Man ! I LOVE CARS !
Iya, betul, TAPI, mobil kan gak bisa 'meong2' dan gak bisa diajak ke ranjang ...
Carlos Ghosn also said in his book " People often form STRONG attachments to their cars ! "
But if the car lets us down, we feel betrayed eh ? Apalagi kalau sudah keluar banyak uang ! Feel like finding another " wife " and divorce the old one as quickly as possible !
OK. This gonna be a bit long. But I think reasonable. Now. Saya di tuduh ngak gitu excited ama Zinger ini, padahal Jedi Conan says sama dengan AUVnya Nissan (Gee, how do U know its the same if it ain't appear yet?).
Now. Let me clarify. First, a bit of my own history with cars. Saya lebih kenal Mitsubishi dulu banding Nissan, in case some of U think I udah fan Nissan 10 tahun or something like that. In 1998, saya belum married. Duit juga belum banyak. Jadi ngak mampu beli mobil. Masih pakai mobil ortu. So I ngak gitu pay attention ama mobil, apalagi merek ini, itu.
Seinggat saya, sejak jaman dulu, jarang ada mobil yang bikin saya " Wah !, enak yah ! ". JUSTRU mobil pertama yang bikin saya terkesan bukan Nissan (Gee, I pay no attention to them at that time !), tapi Mitsubishi Galant. Sudah saya sering cerita, man ! Ini mobil bikin saya saat tidur kepinggin cepat bangun pagi esok supaya bisa stir itu mobil lagi entah ke mana.
THAT is how GOOD the Galant is to me ! Bisa bikin feeling sampai gitu ! Even the BMW seri 3 tahun 1995 saja ngak bikin saya gitu excited ! And the Galant has been a good friend of me for 4 years ! Ama dia saya sudah lari dari Sabang sampai Merauke, 65,000 km to be more precise ! Till I sold her after 4 years of use for the Stream (I quite regret this decision !) Cause Galant masih lebih enak banding Stream !
Now. When did I even start to pay attention to Nissan Motor ? Like most of U, saya dari dulu cuman kenalnya Toyota (kijang kapsul), ama Honda (Civic, Accord). I only know Nissan got Terrano. And not surprising. Tau sendiri Nissan sakit parahnya periode sama dengan sakitnya Indonesia, dari tahun 1997-1999 itu dia sesak nafas terus ! Seperti kena flu burung !
Itu pun at that time I don't even know what is happening at Nissan. Cause I am still enjoying life with Mitsubishi Galant ! From 1998-2002, the Galant was my only friend !
The turning point came in 2 March 2003 (Tiap kali beli buku I pasti tulis tanggal belinya !), in QB bookstore Pondok Indah, I was browsing when I came across this book " TURN AROUND - How Carlos Ghosn Rescued Nissan " by David Magee. So see, sampai tahun awal 2003 saja saya sama sekali ngak perhatiin Nissan Motor !
But I don't know what. Something inside me make me think, hey, this book could contain a very interesting and remarkable story ! Apalagi lihat di cover bukunya ada Nissan 350Z yang cute dan cantik itu. So I decided and bought that book. Price - Rp213,000 !
And WHAT a story ! How could a sick car maker riddled with heavy debt of US$20 BILLION (not million), and ignored by most car buyers around the World at that time recover in only 1-2 years ? How could they convince so many people in a very short time that their cars are good ?
Look. CEO Toyota, Honda, GM juga bukan orang bego semua. TAPI in 1999, when Nissan was looking for a partner to merge with (actually ask for assistance also), even the CEOs of Toyota, Honda and GM are pessimistic. Coba kalau hari ini Toyota atau Honda sudah ambil alih Nissan di tahun 1999, sudah gimana ?
CEO of GM lebih blak blakan lagi " Renault may be better off packing all those US$5 billion into a containership and sinking it off the Atlantic coast ! " Artinya dia, usaha Renault gabung ama Nissan PASTI gagal !
Even Ghosn said later " Itu seperti satu keluarga kuras semua tabunggan untuk dirikan business baru. Kalau bisnis itu fail, tamatlah riwayat keluarga ! Failure is NOT an option ! "
After reading this story, MAN ! Was I impressed ! Ini orang yang pegang steering wheel Nissan bukan orang biasa ! Memang dia bukan God, tapi FYI, some people in Japan thinks he is God ! Sampai di Jepang ada comic book seperti Naruto or Conan tentang kisah Carlos Ghosn ini !
Even after knowing this story, I juga masih biasa biasa. Tapi sejak lihat X-Trail dan pakai c24, baru saya sadar, wah ! Mobil mereka itu benar benar enak ! Now I know why Nissan can recover so fast ! Their cars are feature packed, harganya make sense !
Well, enough of that. Now back to my old friend Mitsubishi. To my great sadness, justru my old friend malah yang giliran seperti Nissan dulu, fall into financial difficulty ! Tapi problemnya di boardroom ! Engineeringnya saya yakin bagus !
So now I kenapa lebih jarang excited ama say Zinger ? Well, for one, hampir tidak ada kabar akan di jual di sini. As U know, saya lebih adem ama mobil yang chance untuk saya bisa beli kecil !
Juga mesinnya 2400 cc. Jadi malah harga dan classnya pasti CRV / X-Trail ! Di atas 250 juta !
Also here is another thing. I am being cautious and realistic. Kalau beli Mitsubishi, tapi kondisi keuanggan dia belum stabil, nanti 5 tahun lagi, will they still be around to sell me spareparts ? To service my car ? things like that !
Betul, sebenernya Mitsu itu big company, so chance dia bangkrut kecil. TAPI my thinking sudah simple. If there is already another company, Nissan Motor yang productnya ngak kalah bagus ama Mitsu, dan dia sudah sehat, why take the risk ?
Anyway, to be honest, line-up Mitsubishi sekarang juga terbatas. Not surprisingly ! Lagi belum sembuh, mereka juga tidak akan masuk segment Innova, Jazz dalam waktu dekat !
So how in the hell can I get excited about this Zinger compared to AUV, yang beritanya sudah lumayan banyak ! That the AUV harganya akan lumayan menarik, dan berita Zinger juga sangat sedikit !
Anyway I never say I will buy the AUV. Belum tau gimana itu mobil. Who knows I just may come back to my old friend Mitsu jika harganya cocok ?
Tapi deep inside my heart, I sense that it will be a while before Mitsu recovers, and meanwhile I am optimistic about Nissan Motor.
For me, urusan mobil, ngak ada yang pasti ! 4 years ago for example, saya sendiri tidak sangka I akan jadi owner sebuah Hyundai ! Juga mana saya sangka akan jadi owner of a Nissan, a brand which I don't even pay attention just 4 years ago !
But I welcome any new pictures of the Zingers interior for example. How good is the 3rd row. What kind of engines she have ? Itu internet dia yang official, bukanya LAMA sekali ! Saya ngak sabar !
Could Mitsubishi fans help ?
And my advice to Jedi Conan. Kali ini saya ketik mungkin 1000 kata ada. Are U going to reply me with 10,000 words ? Why don't U take a break for once ? Give yourself a break ! Have a Kit Kat !
And Jedi Conan, if U reply with 10,000 words, I probably will not read every word of it ! Cause its going to take me 30 minutes ! Too long !
bung Herry, kelihatannya di internet most info abt this Zinger ada dari Taiwan, where U are based. Perhaps anda bisa bantu bedah ini mobil lebih dalam lagi ?
OK. This gonna bea bit long. But I think reasonable. Now. Saya di tuduh ngak gitu excited ama Zinger ini, padahal Jedi Conan says sama dengan AUVnya Nissan (Gee, how do U know its the same if it ain't appear yet?).
Now. Let me clarify. First, a bit of my own history with cars. Saya lebih kenal Mitsubishi dulu banding Nissan, in case some of U think I udah fan Nissan 10 tahun or something like that. In 1998, saya belum married. Duit juga belum banyak. Jadi ngak mampu beli mobil. Masih pakai mobil ortu. So I ngak gitu pay attention ama mobil, apalagi merek ini, itu.
Seinggat saya, sejak jaman dulu, jarang ada mobil yang bikin saya " Wah !, enak yah ! ". JUSTRU mobil pertama yang bikin saya terkesan bukan Nissan (Gee, I pay no attention to them at that time !), tapi Mitsubishi Galant. Sudah saya sering cerita, man ! Ini mobil bikin saya saat tidur kepinggin cepat bangun pagi esok supaya bisa stir itu mobil lagi entah ke mana.
THAT is how GOOD the Galant is to me ! Bisa bikin feeling sampai gitu ! Even the BMW seri 3 tahun 1995 saja ngak bikin saya gitu excited ! And the Galant has been a good friend of me for 4 years ! Ama dia saya sudah lari dari Sabang sampai Merauke, 65,000 km to be more precise ! Till I sold her after 4 years of use for the Stream (I quite regret this decision !) Cause Galant masih lebih enak banding Stream !
Now. When did I even start to pay attention to Nissan Motor ? Like most of U, saya dari dulu cuman kenalnya Toyota (kijang kapsul), ama Honda (Civic, Accord). I only know Nissan got Terrano. And not surprising. Tau sendiri Nissan sakit parahnya periode sama dengan sakitnya Indonesia, dari tahun 1997-1999 itu dia sesak nafas terus ! Seperti kena flu burung !
Itu pun at that time I don't even know what is happening at Nissan. Cause I am still enjoying life with Mitsubishi Galant ! From 1998-2002, the Galant was my only friend !
The turning point came in 2 March 2003 (Tiap kali beli buku I pasti tulis tanggal belinya !), in QB bookstore Pondok Indah, I was browsing when I came across this book " TURN AROUND - How Carlos Ghosn Rescued Nissan " by David Magee. So see, sampai tahun awal 2003 saja saya sama sekali ngak perhatiin Nissan Motor !
But I don't know what. Something inside me make me think, hey, this book could contain a very interesting and remarkable story ! Apalagi lihat di cover bukunya ada Nissan 350Z yang cute dan cantik itu. So I decided and bought that book. Price - Rp213,000 !
And WHAT a story ! How could a sick car maker riddled with heavy debt of US$20 BILLION (not million), and ignored by most car buyers around the World at that time recover in only 1-2 years ? How could they convince so many people in a very short time that their cars are good ?
Look. CEO Toyota, Honda, GM juga bukan orang bego semua. TAPI in 1999, when Nissan was looking for a partner to merge with (actually ask for assistance also), even the CEOs of Toyota, Honda and GM are pessimistic. Coba kalau hari ini Toyota atau Honda sudah ambil alih Nissan di tahun 1999, sudah gimana ?
CEO of GM lebih blak blakan lagi " Renault may be better off packing all those US$5 billion into a containership and sinking it off the Atlantic coast ! " Artinya dia, usaha Renault gabung ama Nissan PASTI gagal !
Even Ghosn said later " Itu seperti satu keluarga kuras semua tabunggan untuk dirikan business baru. Kalau bisnis itu fail, tamatlah riwayat keluarga ! Failure is NOT an option ! "
After reading this story, MAN ! Was I impressed ! Ini orang yang pegang steering wheel Nissan bukan orang biasa ! Memang dia bukan God, tapi FYI, some people in Japan thinks he is God ! Sampai di Jepang ada comic book seperti Naruto or Conan tentang kisah Carlos Ghosn ini !
Even after knowing this story, I juga masih biasa biasa. Tapi sejak lihat X-Trail dan pakai c24, baru saya sadar, wah ! Mobil mereka itu benar benar enak ! Now I know why Nissan can recover so fast ! Their cars are feature packed, harganya make sense !
Well, enough of that. Now back to my old friend Mitsubishi. To my great sadness, justru my old friend malah yang giliran seperti Nissan dulu, fall into financial difficulty ! Tapi problemnya di boardroom ! Engineeringnya saya yakin bagus !
So now I kenapa lebih jarang excited ama say Zinger ? Well, for one, hampir tidak ada kabar akan di jual di sini. As U know, saya lebih adem ama mobil yang chance untuk saya bisa beli kecil !
Juga mesinnya 2400 cc. Jadi malah harga dan classnya pasti CRV / X-Trail ! Di atas 250 juta !
Also here is another thing. I am being cautious and realistic. Kalau beli Mitsubishi, tapi kondisi keuanggan dia belum stabil, nanti 5 tahun lagi, will they still be around to sell me spareparts ? To service my car ? things like that !
Betul, sebenernya Mitsu itu big company, so chance dia bangkrut kecil. TAPI my thinking sudah simple. If there is already another company, Nissan Motor yang productnya ngak kalah bagus ama Mitsu, dan dia sudah sehat, why take the risk ?
Anyway, to be honest, line-up Mitsubishi sekarang juga terbatas. Not surprisingly ! Lagi belum sembuh, mereka juga tidak akan masuk segment Innova, Jazz dalam waktu dekat !
So how in the hell can I get excited about this Zinger compared to AUV, yang beritanya sudah lumayan banyak ! That the AUV harganya akan lumayan menarik, dan berita Zinger juga sangat sedikit !
Anyway I never say I will buy the AUV. Belum tau gimana itu mobil. Who knows I just may come back to my old friend Mitsu jika harganya cocok ?
Tapi deep inside my heart, I sense that it will be a while before Mitsu recovers, and meanwhile I am optimistic about Nissan Motor.
For me, urusan mobil, ngak ada yang pasti ! 4 years ago for example, saya sendiri tidak sangka I akan jadi owner sebuah Hyundai ! Juga mana saya sangka akan jadi owner of a Nissan, a brand which I don't even pay attention just 4 years ago !
But I welcome any new pictures of the Zingers interior for example. How good is the 3rd row. What kind of engines she have ? Itu internet dia yang official, bukanya LAMA sekali ! Saya ngak sabar !
Could Mitsubishi fans help ?
And my advice to Jedi Conan. Kali ini saya ketik mungkin 1000 kata ada. Are U going to reply me with 10,000 words ? And Jedi Conan, if U reply with 10,000 words, I probably will not read every word of it ! Cause its going to take me 30 minutes ! Too long !
No, 10 words will do :
Aku tidak tertarik membaca biografi bagaimana Anda menjadi fanatik Nissan.
bung conan n bung sithlord ini bener2 seperti anjing dan kucing deh..
Lebih tepatnya and dari dulu udah ada julukannya si Jedi and Darthvader. Bener ngga ya ?! Pokoknya karakter di film Star Wars.
Seru si seru, tapi takutnya kalau jadi kasus Chernobyl gimana ?
Lupa2 inget, kasus Chernobyl tuh apaan ya ? Dikit penjelasan mungkin membantu mengingat kembali. hehehe
Chernobyl itu kasus reaktor nuklir bocor di Rusia yg mana harus mengungsikan ratusan ribu bahkan jutaan penduduk sekitar. Yg efeknya bahkan masih terasa belasan tahun dari waktu pertama kali ledakan.
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Learn as if you were to live forever.
