Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

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Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by bembenk95 » 15 Aug 2019, 09:13

News

Dari ford ada extented warranty buat Dual Clutchnya,
pertanyaannya apakah kustomer di Indonesia dpt juga ? :big_childish:

Ford’s dual-clutch transmission, code-named DPS6 and used in its Fiesta and Focus, has been troubled for years. It’s the subject of a potential $4 billion lawsuit. It had Ford secretly telling dealers to fix it. Worse, Ford reportedly knew it was bad for years and failed to make fixes. Ford said today it would be extending warranties on some Fiestas and Focuses because of it, in what has surely been an utterly humiliating episode for the Blue Oval.

Here are the details, per Ford:

Extend clutch warranties for even more customers from five years/60,000 miles to seven years/100,000.

This covers 2014 through 2016 model-year Focus (built from July 4, 2013, to Nov. 5, 2015) and 2014-1015 model-year Fiesta vehicles (built from July 4, 2013, to Oct. 15, 2014).

Ford will reimburse customers in this new group receiving extended warranties who have paid for clutch repairs out of pocket.

The action means warranty coverage for these vehicles is the same that has been in place since July 2014 for earlier Focus and Fiesta models.

Ford took this initiative based on the latest in ongoing analysis of customer-satisfaction and quality data.

Ford will also reach out again to a small percentage of remaining affected customers (~165,000 owners, 16 percent of the original, in the U.S.) and provide them another opportunity to get an important free software update. Eighty-four percent of affected owners have already received the update.

The update provides an enhanced warning if a transmission control module begins to fail. Where necessary, Ford will replace modules for this group of customers free of charge for up to six months even if the 10-year/150,000-mile warranty has expired.

And here’s part of Ford’s statement on the matter, attributed to :

First, we are extending the warranty on clutch and related hardware in certain 2014-2016 model-year vehicles, and will reimburse customers for repairs that now would have been covered. Second, we are providing the small remaining population of owners who have not already done so an additional chance to get an important software update.

While these vehicles always were and remain safe to drive, we regret the inconvenience our customers have experienced.

“Inconvenience” is a euphemism in this context, since, according to the lawsuit, the transmission can cause “shuddering, slipping, bucking, jerking, hesitation while changing gears, premature internal wear, delays in downshifting and, in some cases, sudden or delayed acceleration,” per the Detroit Free Press.

Around 560,000 customers will be affected by the warranty extension, according to Automotive News, and it will also cost Ford some cash, though we won’t know exactly how much until the company reports its third-quarter earnings. Ford previously did a similar warranty extension with 2011-2013 model year cars in 2014.

And while the transmission—branded PowerShift—continues to be a headache, you can still, somewhat amazingly, get it on a 2019 Fiesta today, though Ford claims all issues have been fixed on it now. That is over eight years since some of the first complaints came rolling in. I’m assuming the warranty for that car and others will also be extended in a few years, long after the Fiesta and Focus have been phased out of existence.
Link : https://jalopnik.com/fords-dual-clutch- ... 1837238730
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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by tommylee87 » 15 Aug 2019, 09:30

Kejadian seperti transmisi DSG di vw

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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by Or4cle » 15 Aug 2019, 09:43

Fiesta = Livin' la vida loca :e-clap: :e-clap: :e-clap:

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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by slapnuts » 15 Aug 2019, 09:50

bembenk95 wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 09:13
News

Dari ford ada extented warranty buat Dual Clutchnya,
pertanyaannya apakah kustomer di Indonesia dpt juga ? :big_childish:



And while the transmission—branded PowerShift—continues to be a headache, you can still, somewhat amazingly, get it on a 2019 Fiesta today, though Ford claims all issues have been fixed on it now. That is over eight years since some of the first complaints came rolling in. I’m assuming the warranty for that car and others will also be extended in a few years, long after the Fiesta and Focus have been phased out of existence.
Link : https://jalopnik.com/fords-dual-clutch- ... 1837238730
Customer Indonesia? Cuma bisa gigit jari karena APM nya sendiri sudah kabur entah balik kapan. Kasus seperti inilah yang membuat harga second Fiesta/Ecosport/Focus yang sudah drop me jadi lebih drop. Dulu banyak yang mentertawakan pabrikan sebelah memakai transmisi jadul lemot dan ga terlalu pintar, tapi jauh lebih robust dan sekarang gantian siapa yang tertawa.

Dan anehnya di tahun 2019, fiesta masih memakai transmisi poweshift meski katanya “have been fixed on it now’. Tapi who knows? Ketika masih dicover garansi ok, garansi habis? Lol

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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by picker83 » 15 Aug 2019, 10:53

bembenk95 wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 09:13
News

Dari ford ada extented warranty buat Dual Clutchnya,
pertanyaannya apakah kustomer di Indonesia dpt juga ? :big_childish:

Ford’s dual-clutch transmission, code-named DPS6 and used in its Fiesta and Focus, has been troubled for years. It’s the subject of a potential $4 billion lawsuit. It had Ford secretly telling dealers to fix it. Worse, Ford reportedly knew it was bad for years and failed to make fixes. Ford said today it would be extending warranties on some Fiestas and Focuses because of it, in what has surely been an utterly humiliating episode for the Blue Oval.

Here are the details, per Ford:

Extend clutch warranties for even more customers from five years/60,000 miles to seven years/100,000.

This covers 2014 through 2016 model-year Focus (built from July 4, 2013, to Nov. 5, 2015) and 2014-1015 model-year Fiesta vehicles (built from July 4, 2013, to Oct. 15, 2014).

Ford will reimburse customers in this new group receiving extended warranties who have paid for clutch repairs out of pocket.

The action means warranty coverage for these vehicles is the same that has been in place since July 2014 for earlier Focus and Fiesta models.

Ford took this initiative based on the latest in ongoing analysis of customer-satisfaction and quality data.

Ford will also reach out again to a small percentage of remaining affected customers (~165,000 owners, 16 percent of the original, in the U.S.) and provide them another opportunity to get an important free software update. Eighty-four percent of affected owners have already received the update.

The update provides an enhanced warning if a transmission control module begins to fail. Where necessary, Ford will replace modules for this group of customers free of charge for up to six months even if the 10-year/150,000-mile warranty has expired.

And here’s part of Ford’s statement on the matter, attributed to :

First, we are extending the warranty on clutch and related hardware in certain 2014-2016 model-year vehicles, and will reimburse customers for repairs that now would have been covered. Second, we are providing the small remaining population of owners who have not already done so an additional chance to get an important software update.

While these vehicles always were and remain safe to drive, we regret the inconvenience our customers have experienced.

“Inconvenience” is a euphemism in this context, since, according to the lawsuit, the transmission can cause “shuddering, slipping, bucking, jerking, hesitation while changing gears, premature internal wear, delays in downshifting and, in some cases, sudden or delayed acceleration,” per the Detroit Free Press.

Around 560,000 customers will be affected by the warranty extension, according to Automotive News, and it will also cost Ford some cash, though we won’t know exactly how much until the company reports its third-quarter earnings. Ford previously did a similar warranty extension with 2011-2013 model year cars in 2014.

And while the transmission—branded PowerShift—continues to be a headache, you can still, somewhat amazingly, get it on a 2019 Fiesta today, though Ford claims all issues have been fixed on it now. That is over eight years since some of the first complaints came rolling in. I’m assuming the warranty for that car and others will also be extended in a few years, long after the Fiesta and Focus have been phased out of existence.
Link : https://jalopnik.com/fords-dual-clutch- ... 1837238730
untuk ford dapat kok extended warrantynya bisa diclaim di after sales servisnya yg msh ada sampe ksrg, produksi taun 2015 keatas yg ga dapat extended.

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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by Tats » 15 Aug 2019, 12:11

Dulu sy pakai ford escape 3.0, harga spare partnya lebih mahal dari bmw atau merc
Semua mobil sy rawatan beres, sy sampe bingung ford knp bisa semahal itu
Lalu semenjak line up jualan ford mayoritas pakai dct
Semua rekan sy yg pakai ford khususnya yg dct pasti klaim garansi
Dipikir2 gimana ga kabur ford indo, semua org minta garansi tapi penjualan mobilnya juga ga terlalu banyak

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Post by martinnn » 15 Aug 2019, 12:20

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Post by Kuroboy » 15 Aug 2019, 12:32

Buat lalin d Indonesia lebih cocok tranny jadul dengan TC. Lebih aman buat macet2an sama crawling stop n go. Tranny dct lebih baik dpake buat weekend car aja
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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by Volk » 15 Aug 2019, 17:41

Pantesan aja tutup dimana2..merugi gegara claiman partsnya sendiri.tau gt gausa pake transmisi yg aneh2 lah.yg konven aja
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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by kunaskun » 15 Aug 2019, 19:29

sebenernya on paper transmisi DCT harusnya bagus banget. semacam geared AT tapi versi jauh lebih efisien, tapi ya mungkin mirip mesin mobil yang bisa cylinder deactivation atau dual injection yang karena kelewat rumit jadi perawatan mahal, kalau DCT malah realibility issue.

apalagi ternyata CVT bisa dibikin ga slip ala nissan xtronic generasi baru yang "semi kering" yang mana belt CVT tidak terendam ATF. atau sekalian AMT, yang sekarang sudah bisa "creeping".

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Re: Ford's Dual-Clutch Transmission (DCT) Continues To Be A Disaster

Post by adityabp » 16 Aug 2019, 09:01

kunaskun wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 19:29
sebenernya on paper transmisi DCT harusnya bagus banget. semacam geared AT tapi versi jauh lebih efisien, tapi ya mungkin mirip mesin mobil yang bisa cylinder deactivation atau dual injection yang karena kelewat rumit jadi perawatan mahal, kalau DCT malah realibility issue.

apalagi ternyata CVT bisa dibikin ga slip ala nissan xtronic generasi baru yang "semi kering" yang mana belt CVT tidak terendam ATF. atau sekalian AMT, yang sekarang sudah bisa "creeping".
DCT/DSG kan sebenarnya AMT juga om. Bedanya cuma pake 2 kopling vs 1 kopling.
Justru seharusnya lebih mulus creepingnya.
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Post by kunaskun » 16 Aug 2019, 11:43

adityabp wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 09:01
DCT/DSG kan sebenarnya AMT juga om. Bedanya cuma pake 2 kopling vs 1 kopling.
Justru seharusnya lebih mulus creepingnya.
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menurut saya kalau AMT kan lebih kearah kreatifitas akal2an, aslinya tetap MT dikasi modul mechatronics. sedangkan kalau DCT kan asalnya memang geared AT.

creeping di DCT ga akan bisa mulus karena maunya pindah ke gigi 2 terus. :mky_01:

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