Car safety in Indonesia, is it adequate?

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Sedikit pendapat, car safety untuk mobil2 spt itu emang buruk untuk standard sebuah mobil.
Tapi disini mobil spt itu yg beli adalah orang yg baru pindah dari sepeda motor, tentu mobil lebih aman dr motor, jadi masih dianggap masuk standard.
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masyarakat Indo belom merasakan betapa pentingnya safety... mental "it won't happen to me" masih kental. buktinya tiap hari masih ada aja pengendara motor yg jadi korban kesembronoan mereka sendiri. mobil NCAP 5 stars dan full airbags pun, kalo nyetirnya berantakan, ya bakal kecelakaan juga. so ketika masyarakat memilih mobil, yg penting harganya murah, bisa gelinding, udah cukup.
silentIm2 wrote:setuju sama bos. faktor safety no.1 itu driver. kalo aku jadi presiden, aku bikin kepres soal kewajiban tes ulang SIM saat perpanjangan, mengingat kualitas pemegang SIM yg ada sekarqng dipertanyakan. sosialisasi tata cara sopan santun di jalan, sebarkan bookletnya, buat websitrnya dan promosikan di iklan layanan masyarakat, dan dites di ujian SIM.
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utk soal retest tiap perpanjang SIM, saya pesimis om.. awal2nya mungkin bisa diimplementasi, tapi lama2 pasti jadi mainan kepolisian dan biro jasa. bagi yg mampu, bisa minta diwakilkan retestingnya. bagi yg kurang mampu, karna kemampuan nyetir itu sesuatu yg abstrak, bisa suka2 si polisi kita bakal lulus atau tidak. ujung2nya ada fulus baru lulus...

rasa kepedulian masyarakat memang masih sangat2 kurang... justru kadang saya merasa, semakin tinggi kemampuan nyetir seseorang, malah makin pede utk nyetir sembarangan. yg penting bagi mereka cuma 3 hal: gw, aku, saya.

contoh:
ada dua orang, si A dan si B. dua2nya dipinjami mobil.
si A: "bukan mobil gw ini." --> kemudian si A mengendarai mobil pinjaman tersebut sambil ugal2an.
si B. "bukan mobil gw nih." --> kemudian si B mengendarai mobil pinjaman tersebut dengan hati2.

kapan kita bisa seperti si B?
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driving skill test by unskilleds sama sj test kejujuran krn disuruh malings
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newrubble wrote:driving skill test by unskilleds sama sj test kejujuran krn disuruh malings
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Adequate aja lah.
Pada meremehkan tujuan orang Indo beli mobil sih: beli mobil kan bukan buat ditabrakin.
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Kaya nya yang harus pertama di benahin dari regulasi pemerintahanya deh ...
Kedua individual nya ( user ) dua faktor ini yang paling berperan penting...

Kalo soal car safety
Ane yakim setiap pabrikan bikin mobil pasti perhitungin kemananya..

Hanya ada level levelnya itu mungkin hihi
Harga sekian ya amanya sekian ...

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Jangan melulu salahkan pabrikan.

Sebagai konsumen apa kita juga membeli produk yang aman, atau beli produk yang murah?

Gampang,
Pada punya avanza, Innova kan?
Dijamannya ada avanza/innova yang double airbag dan abs atau paling tidak, ada abs.

Beli yang murah kan? Kenapa?

Jawabannya MURAH.

Konsumen pilih mana,

Velg racing aTAU ABS Airbag?

Setelah udah beli mobil yang ada ABS dan airbag nya,
Udah pake seat belt belum?

Banyak kan yang gak mau pake seat belt dg berbagai macam alasan.

Saya ada kawan yang sekolah di USA, pake mobil lexus dan mercedes benz, dan dia di indonesia gak mau pake seat belt.

Untuk motor, udah biasakan pake Helm belum?

Gak usah omong orang lain nyupir sembarangan.

Safety berasal dari diri sendiri.

Kalo kita sendiri mikirin safety, maka masyarakat pada umumnya juga ikut.

Saya sendiri selalu pake seat belt, bahkan di bangku belakang.
Dan saya meminta orang yang ikut mobil saya untuk pake sear belt.
Anak saya, sejak bayi duduk di car seat, sampai hari ini dan akan terus pake sampai usia 12 tahun sewaktu sudah bisa pake seat belt mobil.
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safety itu apaan sih?
temen gua mobil pertama, langsung bawa ngebut luar kota jalur pantura 180kpj

sekarang dha balik jkt, ngeluh mobilnya baret lagi, bilang begini dhe kalau baru belajar nyetir
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betul

salahkan diri sendiri u apapun unsafe

jgn fabriek di salahkan

smua yg fabriekanten lakukan sdh benar ... tdk perlu ada adequate vs inadequate

jgn ada yg ubah ubah (kec yg bikin mobil mau ubah) ..... biarkanlah apa adanya

sy senang meliat dari jauh ..... tertawa u byk hal lucu itu menyehatkan n smg tdk terlalu menyakitkan u mrk yg dilihat oleh sy ...... konyol mnrt sy bisa jadi normal mnrt mrk
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Bener juga sih, orangnya dulu mesti dibikin lebih safe, mobil seaman apapun orang nyetir kesurupan gak pake seat belt mati juga akhirnya.....

Tapi kayaknya lebih susah deh ngajarin orang Indo yang kebanyakan nembak sim, lbh gampang ATPM bikin mobil yng lebih safe, meskipun berberpa udah mencoba

Jadi inget kmaren kmaren baca manual mobil baru, sepertiga halaman depan, hampir tiap halaman ada tulisan suruh Make seat belt...
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Seat belt dan airbag aja ga cukup seandainya struktur body tdk cukup menunjang. Banyak kasus yg occupants mati terjepit di dalam mobil yg ringsek parah pdhl pakai seat belt dan ada airbag. Banyak jg yg selamat justru krn kelempar keluar ga pakai s-belt. Body rigid belum tentu aman, body ringkih udah jelas ... ncap sbg pembuktian tdk terbantahkan. Sbg org awam gw sering amati biasanya kl 2 mobil tabrakan yg menang hampir pasti yg lbh berat..sesuai hukum fisika ttg momentum lah ya. Makanya mobil mahal ky range rover, merc, rolls, dll ga ada yg enteng, bukan krn pabriknya ga bisa bikin enteng tp safety berhubungan dgn gross weight... apalagi customernya bukan commoners yg memang bayar mahal utk safety. Btt bagaimanapun s-belt dan airbag kan cuma passive restraint systems, akan lbh bagus kl active restraints bisa dipasang di semua mobil spt collision avoidance merc, night vision, pedestrian monitoring...or better yet full autonomous... langsung no accident kecuali system hacked atau ada bug.
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berat mobil gak bisa dijadikan patokan safety.

Mercedes S class 2016 secara signifikan lebih ringan drp Mercedes S class 1996, dengan ukuran yang relatif sama.

pabrikan selalu berusaha membuat mobil lebih ringan.

kenapa Range Rover Mercedes Benz berat?

karena ukurannya besar. dan isi nya yang banyak.
contoh ya, kursi Smart for two lebih besar dan lebih berat daripada kursi Daihatsu Ayla.
kenapa berat? karena perlengkapan lebhi banyak juga.

terlempar keluar dari kendaraan tTIDAK lebih aman daripada didalam mobil.

perkara ada orang yang selamat sewaktu terlempar keluar, adalah karena kebetulan saja.
tapi statistik membuktikan bahwa Safety belt saves lives, sabuk pengaman menyelamatkan nyawa.

Ukuran bukan masalah mana lebih aman.
body ringkih atau keras bukan menjadi ukuran keselamatan.

yang menjadi ukuran adalah tulang2 dalam body, yang gak kelihatan mata, kecuali mobilnya dibongkar.
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joshuawikarta wrote:Err.. mobil-mobil jadul masih banyak seliweran di jalan, safety-nya ya nggak update. :mky_03:
Belum lagi truk, kontainer, bus dkk..
mobil jadul yang safetynya update juga banyak ko om
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Pabrikan membuat mobil lbh ringan bukan sbg advantage thd point safety tp semata2 krn utk menekan 1. fuel cons 2. Prod cost/raw material yg makin hari makin mahal 3. Ease of manufacturing/more complicated design but more simplified process. Mengurangi berat material umumnya berimpact negative (Kecuali saya garis bawahi penggunaan exotic alloys) thd safety makanya mobil yg dibuat ringan ditambah crumple zones, emphasized rigidity at certain critical areas dan penambahan passive restraints.

Kursi smart for two berat bukan hanya krn banyak perlengkapan, apa saja coba dan diukur saja, tp lbh krn bikin kursi ukuran besar dgn berat ringan itu butuh penggunaan matl yg mahal spt bangku pesawat yg begitu ringan krn bahannya jg special. Dibikin berat krn mereka butuh bobot (sprung weight) for increased stability, hence more safety. Kl tidak itu mobil kl terlalu enteng bayangkan terbuat dr kertas yg tertiup side wind saja bisa unstable. Kursi avanza ringan krn bahan dikurangi, ga banyak tulang, material tipis dan dimensinya kecil. Org dgn ukuran 175 cm berat 80 kg ga akan nyaman duduk disitu.

Mau membuktikannya gampang. Coba saja crash test range rover '70s dgn brand new smart for two, taruhan mana yg menang. Dan occupants mana yg selamat.
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Ga usah baca tulisan saya diatas..ga perlu saya yg bicara.

"berat mobil gak bisa dijadikan patokan safety."
"Ukuran bukan masalah mana lebih aman."

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopne ... y-policies

Cukup baca judul article itu aja...kl msh niat argue baca paragraph 1 dan tonton clipnya.
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safety yg mana nih yg pasif apa aktif , kalau analisa gue ABS sangat danger buat orang berkacamata kalau balon ngembang ke mata pasti tuh bingkai kalau gak patah ya amblas ke muka cedera bisa lebih parah . saya sendiri bingung jadi abs hanya cocok buat org bebas kacamata

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icals.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10413260
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ABS kok balon?
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octafiantos wrote:ABS kok balon?
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banyak jalan ke roma om , ABS itu gak cuma rem aja tapi airbag juga disingkat Air Bag System= ABS
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Ohh..kirain kl airbag disingkat SRS. Sy kira typo jd ASB. (ASB.......UN)
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Oo banyak jalan ke Roma. Berarti karpet mobil gua juga abs. Anti bacterial system.

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abs=asbestos

mmg bahaya u mata ... n paruparu
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pengen juga latihan Abs biar perut six pack

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Safety ? apa itu ?
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Mungkin lebih safety sepeda ya ... . hmmm :mky_07:
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itu namanya pedestrian safety gan supaya org atau benda lunak berkurang cideranya kalau dihantam
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