Avanza Xenia major change

Spoonful · Post by **Spoonful** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:39

Fiz wrote:
sumber : http://autonetmagz.com/ini-bocoran-foto ... aru/31139/

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Troll of the year.

scorpio · Post by **scorpio** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:41

FRD wrote:
bimo_s wrote:Masih bingung ane sama Autocopaz sotosopannya si P***a dianggep Spy Shot udah pada siwer apa ya jurnalisnya
padahal di wasem 1, ada orang autocopaz ya om bim, mestinya dia tau kalo itu cuma sotosopannya si p****a. dulu r***t sekarang si p****a

mungkin dia sedang kejar target tayang

telomoyo · Post by **telomoyo** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:31

nugroho bagor wrote:Liat realnya dulu,apa yang berubah,kebetulan cari2 mobil tempur nih

wow Captain mau nyari kendaraan perang nih

Good Choice capt

nugroho bagor · Post by **nugroho bagor** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:50

telomoyo wrote:
nugroho bagor wrote:Liat realnya dulu,apa yang berubah,kebetulan cari2 mobil tempur nih
wow Captain mau nyari kendaraan perang nih

Good Choice capt

Amin om.lagi selayang pandang aja kok.nabung 2 dulu

ZEXELGRIFONE · Post by **ZEXELGRIFONE** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:04

Tampak depan-samping.. Bener ga ya? Coz agak beda dengan bocoran yg pertama yg cuman dari depan..
(semoga bukan sotoshop)

Gambar diambil dari sini :
http://www.otomania.com/read/2015/07/04 ... .Rp.5.Juta

Yg berminat, siapkan Rp 5jt buat booking

ternakblog · Post by **ternakblog** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:28

Kyke depane krg jelek deh,krg byk kromnya maksude:-))
Klo bener kyk gambar itu berarti designer honda yg mendesignnya:-))

nugroho bagor · Post by **nugroho bagor** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:56

ZEXELGRIFONE wrote:Tampak depan-samping.. Bener ga ya? Coz agak beda dengan bocoran yg pertama yg cuman dari depan..
(semoga bukan sotoshop)

Gambar diambil dari sini :
http://www.otomania.com/read/2015/07/04 ... .Rp.5.Juta

Yg berminat, siapkan Rp 5jt buat booking

aduh keren banget sih

tinggal liat fitur safeynya bgm

watefak · Post by **watefak** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 18:00

Modelnya niru odc. Masih ttp bagusan mobilio

stiffler · Post by **stiffler** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 23:49

sotoshop bukan ya?
terlihat sekilas seperti honda

ZEXELGRIFONE · Post by **ZEXELGRIFONE** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:15

Nah itu.. saya juga masih meragukan..
Coz tarikan lampunya kayak lampu xtrail baru..

amfibi · Post by **amfibi** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:43

Itu sotosop yg avz putih di autonetmagz mah hehehe .. Buatan raditya anak kelas 1 sma

htannis · Post by **htannis** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:39

avanza dono ikutin kakaknya si ipah dono

nugroho bagor · Post by **nugroho bagor** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:43

amfibi wrote:Itu sotosop yg avz putih di autonetmagz mah hehehe .. Buatan raditya anak kelas 1 sma

Walah sotosop WTF

adty · Post by **adty** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:37

http://autonetmagz.com/foto-bocoran-ava ... las/31777/

djia · Post by **djia** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:50

adty wrote:http://autonetmagz.com/foto-bocoran-ava ... las/31777/

wadawwee...
kok beda jauh sama yang sketsa di atasnya

nflfrs705 · Post by **nflfrs705** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 14:32

adty wrote:http://autonetmagz.com/foto-bocoran-ava ... las/31777/

Ini bener2 penyesuaian harganya makin tidak mencerminkan mobil rakyat...
Avanza 190-240 jt, innova gak mungkin start dari 300 juta, krn innova J yang skrg harganya 230 jt diluar diskon. Mungkin start dari 250 jutaan deh.
Btw adiknya avanza pake basis concept car mana ya? (Ada kemungkinan agya-ayla dipanjangin)

andryans · Post by **andryans** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 15:11

adty wrote:http://autonetmagz.com/foto-boc ... las/31777/

[img]http://autonetmagz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Toyota-Avanza-facelift-major-change-tahun-2015.jpg[/img]

Liat depannya bikin naksir tinggal penampakan belakang + interior + mesin gw bakal nebus nih kl okeh

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adty · Post by **adty** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:10

http://autonetmagz.com/ini-dia-toyota-a ... dak/31790/

Btw menurut saya kayaknya kebalik deh, kayaknya yg ini yang standar yg foto sebelumnya yg veloz, IMO ya

artoodetoo · Post by **artoodetoo** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:45

Kok semacam bengkak bengkak gitu ....

Mamang555 · Post by **Mamang555** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:04

Kayak etios bengkak gitu ya...
Jelek ah

ternakblog · Post by **ternakblog** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:07

Kok masih sekonsep dipetot2in:-))

puteraadrian · Post by **puteraadrian** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:25

yg atas yg mirip ipah dono boleh juga modelnya, yg mirip etios ini.. ampun...

singachu · Post by **singachu** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:56

ChZ wrote:<cut>

i-VTEC sendiri adalah VTEC + VTC (VVT-i). Kalau di SOHC i-VTEC seperti Jazz, Brio, Mobilnyongnyong, Haerpi, dan Sipik 1.8, CR-V 2.0 ya cuma pakai satu controller saja wong camshaft nya cuma satu.

Kalau DOHC i-VTEC pakai di intake saja buat miserable mortals seperti CR-V 2.4, Accord 2.4, Odyssey... Di Civic Type-R K20A pakai dua di intake dan exhaust.
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CMIIW.

Misi nimbrung, tapi OOT dari Avanza Xenia....

soal i-VTEC adalah VTEC + VTC.... ini sebenernya aku juga rada-rada bingung mbayangin cara kerjanya....
OK untuk DOHC i-VTEC, "CAM GEAR" antara intake ama exhaust terpisah, jadi katakan timing intake di ubah itu ga mempengerahui timing dari cam out.
tapi kalau SOHC i-VTEC gimana mekanismenya secara camshaftnya jadi satu, kalau di phasing timingnya diubah2 bakalan efek ke out juga....

susahnya lagi googling mesin L15Z1 soal i-VTEC isinya gimana juga masih blom nemu...

kebetulan ada forum yang juga bahas soal i-VTEC di SOHC apa ada VTC nya ato gmn.... :
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-gene ... eries.html

nah di sana juga dibahas kalau di SOHC i-VTEC ga ada jalur tekanan oli yang buat ngatur variable valve timing.... cam gearnya juga fixed (mesin L15A7 sih)

trus refer ke sini : http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/LSERIESG2/index.html punya L15A jazz sih, coba liat yang 15 liter, grafik valve nya "hanya" 2 macam, khas vtec, tanpa ada yang timing maju / mundur secara "continues" ala VTC/VVT-i/CVVT

dari baca2 forum yang pertama, ada link ke sini juga :
http://pertsmotorsport.blogspot.com/200 ... em-is.html
nah ini salah satu quote nya, aku bold2in :

An additional version of i-VTEC was introduced on the 2006 Honda Civic's R-series four cylinder SOHC engines. This implementation uses theso-called "economy cams" on one of the two intake valves of each cylinder. The "economy cams" are designed to delay the closure of the intake valve they act upon, and are activated at low rpms and under light loads. When the "economy cams" are activated, one of the two intake valves in each cylinder closes well after the piston has started moving upwards in the compression stroke. That way, a part of the mixture that has entered the combustion chamber is forced out again, into the intake manifold. That way, the engine "emulates" a lower displacement than its actual one (its operation is also similar to an Atkinson cycle engine, with uneven compression and combustion strokes), which reduces fuel consumption and increases its efficiency. During the operation with the "economy cams", the (by-wire) throttle butterfly is kept fully open, in order to reduce pumping losses. According to Honda, this measure alone can reduce pumping losses by 16%. In higher rpms and under heavier loads, the engine switches back into its "normal cams", andit operates like a regular 4 stroke Otto cycle engine. This implementation of i-VTEC was initially introduced in the R18A1 engine found under the bonnet of the 8th generation Civic, with a displacement of 1.8 L and an output of 140PS. Recently, another variant was released, the 2.0 L R20A2 with an output of 150PS, which powers the EUDM version of the all-new CRV

jadi dalam hal mesin SOHC i-VTEC di quote di atas (mesin R18A1), i-VTEC nya ga ada VTC nya, tapi VTEC + "economy cams" yang cara kerjanya "off" kan 1 valve intake jadi kerjanya spt atkitson cycle, kerjasama ama Throttle By Wire....
Jadi bisa dikata i-VTEC istilah dari HONDA, "intelegent"nya itu bisa banyak arti tergantung tipe mesin yang mana.....

Nah apa mungkin mesin L15Z1 i-VTEC itu sama seperti R18A1 jadi bukan VTEC + VTC tapi VTEC + "Enconomy cams" ???

CMIIW

regards,
singachu

Post by **ChZ** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:44

singachu wrote: Misi nimbrung, tapi OOT dari Avanza Xenia....

soal i-VTEC adalah VTEC + VTC.... ini sebenernya aku juga rada-rada bingung mbayangin cara kerjanya....
OK untuk DOHC i-VTEC, "CAM GEAR" antara intake ama exhaust terpisah, jadi katakan timing intake di ubah itu ga mempengerahui timing dari cam out.
tapi kalau SOHC i-VTEC gimana mekanismenya secara camshaftnya jadi satu, kalau di phasing timingnya diubah2 bakalan efek ke out juga....

susahnya lagi googling mesin L15Z1 soal i-VTEC isinya gimana juga masih blom nemu...

kebetulan ada forum yang juga bahas soal i-VTEC di SOHC apa ada VTC nya ato gmn.... :
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-gene ... eries.html

nah di sana juga dibahas kalau di SOHC i-VTEC ga ada jalur tekanan oli yang buat ngatur variable valve timing.... cam gearnya juga fixed (mesin L15A7 sih)

trus refer ke sini : http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/LSERIESG2/index.html punya L15A jazz sih, coba liat yang 15 liter, grafik valve nya "hanya" 2 macam, khas vtec, tanpa ada yang timing maju / mundur secara "continues" ala VTC/VVT-i/CVVT

dari baca2 forum yang pertama, ada link ke sini juga :
http://pertsmotorsport.blogspot.com/200 ... em-is.html
nah ini salah satu quote nya, aku bold2in :

An additional version of i-VTEC was introduced on the 2006 Honda Civic's R-series four cylinder SOHC engines. This implementation uses theso-called "economy cams" on one of the two intake valves of each cylinder. The "economy cams" are designed to delay the closure of the intake valve they act upon, and are activated at low rpms and under light loads. When the "economy cams" are activated, one of the two intake valves in each cylinder closes well after the piston has started moving upwards in the compression stroke. That way, a part of the mixture that has entered the combustion chamber is forced out again, into the intake manifold. That way, the engine "emulates" a lower displacement than its actual one (its operation is also similar to an Atkinson cycle engine, with uneven compression and combustion strokes), which reduces fuel consumption and increases its efficiency. During the operation with the "economy cams", the (by-wire) throttle butterfly is kept fully open, in order to reduce pumping losses. According to Honda, this measure alone can reduce pumping losses by 16%. In higher rpms and under heavier loads, the engine switches back into its "normal cams", andit operates like a regular 4 stroke Otto cycle engine. This implementation of i-VTEC was initially introduced in the R18A1 engine found under the bonnet of the 8th generation Civic, with a displacement of 1.8 L and an output of 140PS. Recently, another variant was released, the 2.0 L R20A2 with an output of 150PS, which powers the EUDM version of the all-new CRV
jadi dalam hal mesin SOHC i-VTEC di quote di atas (mesin R18A1), i-VTEC nya ga ada VTC nya, tapi VTEC + "economy cams" yang cara kerjanya "off" kan 1 valve intake jadi kerjanya spt atkitson cycle, kerjasama ama Throttle By Wire....
Jadi bisa dikata i-VTEC istilah dari HONDA, "intelegent"nya itu bisa banyak arti tergantung tipe mesin yang mana.....

Nah apa mungkin mesin L15Z1 i-VTEC itu sama seperti R18A1 jadi bukan VTEC + VTC tapi VTEC + "Enconomy cams" ???

CMIIW

regards,
singachu

Hehehe yup, thx koreksinya oom.

Saya nyadarnya juga sekarang, soalnya kebetulan lagi KP di Ahond... Tiap hari liat head mesin L-serie, R-serie dibongkar saya bingung dimana VTCnya

Yups, SOHC i-VTEC itu VTEC + Eco cam.

Kalo di DOHC keliatan VTCnya memang di intake...

Maklum, selama ini kebawa definisi kalau i-VTEC = VTEC + VTC... ternyata setelah liat sendiri SOHC dan DOHC beda

Bener juga, kalo ada VTCnya, SOHC kan ngontrol in ama ex jd g mungkin... gobloknya saya

singachu · Post by **singachu** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:14

ChZ wrote: Hehehe yup, thx koreksinya oom.

Saya nyadarnya juga sekarang, soalnya kebetulan lagi KP di Ahond... Tiap hari liat head mesin L-serie, R-serie dibongkar saya bingung dimana VTCnya Yups, SOHC i-VTEC itu VTEC + Eco cam.

Kalo di DOHC keliatan VTCnya memang di intake...

Maklum, selama ini kebawa definisi kalau i-VTEC = VTEC + VTC... ternyata setelah liat sendiri SOHC dan DOHC beda

Bener juga, kalo ada VTCnya, SOHC kan ngontrol in ama ex jd g mungkin... gobloknya saya

terima kasih juga pencerahannya om

KP apaan ya om ? asiknya liat mesin2 dibongkar

regards,
singachu

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