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di negara rente (sy baru dpt term ini)

kalo mau dpt profit in airline industry ya hrs kacau bgini

dg cara bgini plus rapatrapat dg kyai langitan.(lion hq indo isinya sdh kyai langitan smua) rus sdh bs bikin singa di tailand

seburuknya manusia pertama di dunia (adam) skrg sandra (owner) sdh tersenyum diatas tumbukan cocopalm ...

sementara yg benarbenar coba u highly prudent (frank taira supit)malah rugibesar n hrs gantungdiri
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newrubble wrote:AC47 indo lbh lethal drpd yg dua units spooky ex vietnam war usaf surpluss yg datang tiga thn ssdh mustang package grant (operation peace pony)

technical designer saat itu (1976) kapten suyono sedangkan mounting dibuat oleh alm.letkol sundoro (pindad...sblm dia pensiun n pimpin pt truba jurong)

salah1 spooky a'la skatek 042/024 bandung dg livery penas (pn pensurveyan nasional yg jadi evacuation mock (meski byk yg bilang itu static display).frontyard lakespra saryanto (terpasang di lakespra sejak 1985)

sampai th1995 hull top turret masih terpasang meski semua4x 12.7 (50mm) browning yg ada dikiri sdh dilepas sejak 1983 krn user beralih ke penas qq aerokarto
Mungkin ini salah satu gunship kita yang pertama dan yang terakhir ya om? Selain Tu16 badger, tp badger rasanya bukan termasuk gunship ya..
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ah jij lbh ahli pasti tau badger itu jet bomber ... fastest in its era ... thanks to indian authorities allowing their airspace be used for manouvering in every black flite over malaya spore

badger was soviet superior strategic bomber n beagle was the medium range ... both had entered indo lethal fleet in 60s to early 70s n dismantled as precondition for operation peace pony and thereafter
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newrubble wrote:ah jij lbh ahli pasti tau badger itu jet bomber ... fastest in its era ... thanks to indian authorities allowing their airspace be used for manouvering in every black flite over malaya spore

badger was soviet superior strategic bomber n beagle was the medium range ... both had entered indo lethal fleet in 60s to early 70s n dismantled as precondition for operation peace pony and thereafter
bicara badger, salah satu target main2 saya roadtrip ke jogja bwt liat ini pesawat hehe
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kemaren ada yg interview sy dr satu website n skrg articles ttg toasin dg pk-kkh sdh bisa teman teman di website itu

sy tdk keberatan jadi anonymous source tapi yg sy sayangkan org org indo baru 'grubuk grubuk' ttg satu hal kalo inventor(s) sdh pd mati

sebetulnya ada satu lg 'tossin' yg masih idup n dia tinggal tdk jauh dr pdkcabe airstrip namanya djubair oemar djaja ... pensiun sersanmayor auri itu sdh lama dikenal homebuilt aircraft builder di rumah dia .. dari 94 hba units exist di indo n skitar 25% yg exist asean ... dibuat dia trmsk KR-2 yg famous dikalangan dia ... juga "moni"

sayang skali ptdi tdk manfaatkan expertise dia krn dia tdk lulus sma n hanya pensiunan sersanmayor
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pak djubair yg humble adalah pemilik 8 us patents u homebuilt airplane kit ... bbrp us builders n dr japan juga stayed bbrp bln u blajar dr dia ... for free
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web nya apa om rubble? penasaran
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detikdotcom

tossin itu nickname alm.major (ret.)achmad (suparta bin) talim
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Tu16 ya saya sendiri belum pernah lihat di museum tapi saya suka desain nya dan dapat juga cerita saat mau dipotong-potong untuk di bawa kemuseum teknisi kesusahan, because lots of magnesium for the joints.. Really though but the parts are so rare, kalaupun ada tidak presisi, sangat disayangkan.. Tu95 dan Tu142 pun sepertinya tidak di jual ke negara selain USSR

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Oiya om , kelanjutan nya gmana tentang pembelian su-35 indonesia ?
Kemaren baca" katanya terkendala masalah TOT yg rusia tidak mau kasih ..

Semoga aja lancar pembelian super flanker ini biar negara tetangga gak suka usil..
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alm.sjah alam damanik dan alm.soewondo adalah pilot set pertama di dunia yg book speed record dg tu-16 (mach-1) avoiding 3x RAF javelin + 2x RAF hawker hunter pursuit n interception over malayan airspace
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newrubble wrote:alm.sjah alam damanik dan alm.soewondo adalah pilot set pertama di dunia yg book speed record dg tu-16 (mach-1) avoiding 3x RAF javelin + 2x RAF hawker hunter pursuit n interception over malayan airspace
Yeah, i've heard that.. Semua komponen bergetar karena pesawat berada di kecepatan maksimum saat itu. Tu16 termasuk bomber tercepat dimasanya, 1000km/h and that increadible for heavy aircraft.. Saya ingat juga pesawat ini sempat terbang ke Australia tanpa terpantau radar (belakangan di ketahui selain terbang rendah juga menyiram cat khusus) untuk sebar2 propaganda di daratan Australia
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being the world's
-biggest multi propellar aircraft
-biggest wooden made propellar blades
-biggest flying object with air2air refueling "straw"

-fastest propellar driven aircraft (max.speed 800kmh plus on ori engine set or 925kmh on 2014 modif.engine kit installed)
-fastest (contra) rotation propellar system (mach1.2 per 1 rotation) bkn plane speed.ya

-the longest serving bomber in active military duty (to remain in service until 2040.... subject to possible extension to.2057!)
-the longest production plane 1952-94

-heaviest under hull cargo recorded (a tu-144 fuselage!)

-most frequently used plane for foreign airspace violation

-only aircraft with detachable built in revolving missile launcher (10 stack)

-noisiest aircraft (sy pernah ukur di ukraine dr kirakira 1.5km distance ...195db plus)

is tu95 bear and still thriving ... any doubt?
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Bear is a Legend, and will always be..

setiap interceptor yang mencegat Bear harus jaga jarak kalo gak mau airframe interceptor bergetar gara2 engine propellernya si Bear..

Bear punya konfigurasi propeller yang unik

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dimana keduanya berputar saling berlawanan.. (contra rotating)

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"got milk for the bear ?"

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TU-114 Rossiya, Bear Based Passanger Aircraft

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also available with AWACS Version, TU-126 Moss

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also available with MPA version, TU-142 Bear

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yang bawa Tsar Bomba, bom nuklir terkuat, siapa ? it's Bear

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Bear can operate from an airfield with very harsh environment...no doubt..

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The planes have changed but the target remains the same. Four generations of fighters intercept the Soviet/Russian Tu-95 Bears
the longest serving bomber in active military duty (to remain in service until 2040.... subject to possible extension to.2057!)
rivalnya, B-52 Stratofortress juga dikabarkan beroperasi sampai 2040

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grandis_GT wrote:Oiya om , kelanjutan nya gmana tentang pembelian su-35 indonesia ?
Kemaren baca" katanya terkendala masalah TOT yg rusia tidak mau kasih ..

Semoga aja lancar pembelian super flanker ini biar negara tetangga gak suka usil..
wah kalo saya sebenernya kurang setuju tuh pake sukhoi
karena logistik sparepart rusia gasebagus barat... masak mau servis2 harus balik sono lagi, trus kompatibilitas senjata ga sebagus rivalnya dari barat...

sukhoi indonesia yg batch pertama jaman mega kan dateng tanpa rudal tuh kalo gasalah :big_slap: CMIIW

cuma masalahnya kalo barat (US/UK) rada rese sih kadang pemakaian harus sesuai mau dia, padahal kita udh pemilik hehe

kalok Gripen gimana ya suhu2? kok ane sbenernya condong ke gripen karena vendornya netral
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sbtulnya u indo multirole high manouver jet cukup pakki jf-17 block1 yg per unit $ 15,000,000 or more less equal to one cn235-220 ... jf-17 block2 per unit $ 30,000,000

su-30mk2 per unit $.51,000,000 or bulk of 10 at $ 480,000,000

(f15 strike eagle.per unit $ 97,000,000)

krn: su30mk2 vs jf17b1 beda dikit beda dikit in overall combat capability level dan (ini paling penting) go(or no) to war lays on firm n confident high level political decision (yg ini indo tdk punya krn power sdh habis di kavling )

JAS39g susah volvo rm12 parts ... current users hanya sweden southafrica hungary czech ... combat radius hanya 800km range (jf-17 apx. 1,300km.r vs su30mk2 3,000km.r)
...human.rights issue (if any) might lead this swedish flying gun fast enuf to end up in static display (just like each hawk100/200 statue in aceh n makassar)

jf-17 dg klimov rd33 masih bisa pakai bgt byk snecma atar 9k-50 parts/module ... byk di jual di israel ... iran ... serbia ...macedonia

sy punya vendor list dua engines itu n mnrr sy murah murah ...indo kan senang independent parts vendor
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haristk7 wrote:Bear is a Legend, and will always be..

setiap interceptor yang mencegat Bear harus jaga jarak kalo gak mau airframe interceptor bergetar gara2 engine propellernya si Bear..

Bear punya konfigurasi propeller yang unik
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Bear is love, Bear is life :big_cat:
Time flies, interceptor change but not the Bear.. Hembusan angin dari propeler Bear luar biasa "kotor" kemungkinan besar pesawat di belakang nya menjadi tidak stabil sangat besar.. Konfigurasi contra prop yang sangat baik dengan noise yang luar biasa kuat..
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alvin23 wrote:
grandis_GT wrote:Oiya om , kelanjutan nya gmana tentang pembelian su-35 indonesia ?
Kemaren baca" katanya terkendala masalah TOT yg rusia tidak mau kasih ..

Semoga aja lancar pembelian super flanker ini biar negara tetangga gak suka usil..
wah kalo saya sebenernya kurang setuju tuh pake sukhoi
karena logistik sparepart rusia gasebagus barat... masak mau servis2 harus balik sono lagi, trus kompatibilitas senjata ga sebagus rivalnya dari barat...

sukhoi indonesia yg batch pertama jaman mega kan dateng tanpa rudal tuh kalo gasalah :big_slap: CMIIW

cuma masalahnya kalo barat (US/UK) rada rese sih kadang pemakaian harus sesuai mau dia, padahal kita udh pemilik hehe

kalok Gripen gimana ya suhu2? kok ane sbenernya condong ke gripen karena vendornya netral
masalahnya kalo beli ke US kita sudah pernah mengalami embargo om , sampe" tuh F-16 di paksakan terbang dengan spare part kanibalan , jangan sampe kena embargo lgi , trus ane baca juga di forum" militer , kalo mau beli tuh rudal untuk F-16 , harus pake izin dean senat duluuu dan kabarnya mereka gak mau ngasih kita rudal amraam jarak jauh karna takut kemampuan negara sekutunya seperti singpur dan aussie tersaingi , hadehh ribet bnget. tapi kemaren pas jokowi ke US , di tawari F-16V , ntah gmana kelanjutannya :shrug: ,

Tapi di sini indonesia bermain cantik dengan status negara non blok menyatukan pespur barat dan timur , asal jangan ngambil F-16 Refurbish lagi :big_biglaugh:

kayaknya AU kita kurang minat dengan pespur cungkwo om NR :mky_01:
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ex pakistani tdk mgkn dg russian engine ... mau bikin fighter jet knp hrs JV korea? kan katanya mau G20 cooperation

habis soekarno kan diktator suharto mau sj soviet hardwares barter dg korean-war surplus pdhl itu beli pake utang yg baru due 1990 n smua parts lengkap (alasan dia lack of parts bohong besar)

... murid dia yg professor tdk lbh baik (satu province mau sj di barter dg arms embargo) ... yg ibu ibu juga tdk protest / minta settlement saat macan yg tadinya airworthy balik kampung jadi non flying object krn wingframe damage ... mr so-slow juga tdk bisa apa pun saat tetangga masuk tanpa approval pdhl smua satpam sdh siap tunggu perintah (yg ternyata tdk pernah datang dg alasan zero-enemy policy)

jadi masalah terbesar bkn weaponry level tapi krn low level political-commitment ... masa hrs ditambah dg overprice purchase

ex pakistani kan bisa dpt halal-label dr para jenggot-n-sorban

malay ambil sukhoi itu ex indian seperti mrk ambil mig29 krn lbh asian compliance ... joystick reach ... asian orthopaedical seating ... fuel contamination resistance readjustment ... tropicalizing kit dan masih byk lagi

sy pernah bandingkan seated inside malay vs indo sukhoi ... jauh lbh nyaman yg pertama krn lbh asian fit ... underseat toilet juga mrk tdk ada krn tdk terpakai krn malay tdk punya pre-emptive strike policy n tdk akan dipakai intercontinental long flite ... bgt byk yg bs di hemat

sy baca ToR indo-korean fighterjet project ... lagi lagi cuma kebagian bikin wing set (habibie idup dr wing design royalty krn expertise dia disitu) ... sama spt 1989 off-set pgm f-16a/b
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Itu yg jaman ibu ibu pswt apa y
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oh banyak jenis yg ibu ibu itu beli

2 mi35 rotarywings (2 ayamgoreng)
2 su27 (2 miegoreng)
2 su30 (2 miegoreng telor)

semua weaponless (tanpa sambal)

sementara MACAN plus wing-n-frame repair utk tiger II (registration ts-0510) yg sdh dibayar lunas (1996) tapi shipped back by sea freight ke surabaya itu damage beyond economic repair due to arms embargo long storage (outdoor placement) tdk dpt settlement dr us govt.krn govt.indo tdk fight u itu (sy pernah ajukan proposal u bantu tapi ditolak krn defense minister wkt itu bilang ... masih untung bisa balik n bisa jadi tugu...)

jadi buat apa highest sophistication kalo masih spt bgini
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Russian ?

Prinsip dagang ama Rusia (termasuk senjata): Lo ada uang, kita sediain barangnya...kalo gak salah semenjak Soviet runtuh, monkey spec udah gak ada...

asal jangan bikin "Papa Bear" kesal saja...hehehehe

Flanker dengan JF17 ? Flanker menang soal payload, time on station, patrol range, maximum range, +G-Limit, Radar Range, Operational Altitude..climb rate beda tipis, tapi soal manuver Flanker win anytime, walaupun sekarang banyakan udah BVR engagement..

beli Flanker asal jangan kayak Indian Spec saja...denger2 dari lapangan, reliabilitynya rada dipertanyakan, too much "gado-gado" on that plane..
oh banyak jenis yg ibu ibu itu beli

2 mi35 rotarywings (2 ayamgoreng)
2 su27 (2 miegoreng)
2 su30 (2 miegoreng telor)
spec Flankernya (SK dan MK).....gak kompatibel ama Indonesia..menurut yang dah pernah liat, itu Russian Spec....dan katanya sekarang lebih sering "tidur", yang SKM ama MK2 yang udah kompatibel aja yang lebih sering terbang..
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maxpayload?

kurang perlu u indo fighter krn umumnya weapon pack hanya single pair missile plus ffar rockets dan unguided mk82 ... justru sy sdh liat bgmn flight operation mrk pd umumnya

satu hal yg perlu diingat ratarata phased out fleet di indo punya operation hour rendah ... blm pernah ada yg bgt sering dipakai all out
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Kalo gak salah sukhoi first bacth yg pas jaman tante mega udah di kirim ke rusia untuk perawatan berat .

Iya om harist , kalo belanja ke papa bear mereka gak terlalu banyak syarat , malahan kemarin mereka nawarin pinjaman lunak untuk pembelian su-35+missile , tapi gak di ambil :e-think:
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Negara beruang merah ga kebanyakan tingkah sama negara lain. Punya duit? Kita sediakan spek yg diminta, karena tidak ada kepentingan politik disana.
Mungkin perawatan agak mahal tapi sebanding bila sewaktu-waktu ada embargo seperti dulu kita aman. Tetapi beberapa produk memang mereka tidak jual untuk negara lain seperti Tu-95 dan Tu-142 pada waktu masih di produksi. Kita beli di US? Mau pakai aja harus ijin sama yang jual.. Kita dulu mau pakai herky untuk misi Trikora tidak di ijinkan, lha kita beli tapi waktu punya masih ada term and condition lagi malas lah apalagi sekutu US ada dekat dengan kita.. Takut perang dingin mulai lagi sepertinya ya
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