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VanzMatic wrote:
Yoi om, I agree... Ada yg mau ditanyain nihh:
1. Awalnya pan Proton berdiri dengan kerjasama Mitsu. Trus, Proton 'cerai' dari Mitsu, kawin ama Lotus, 'katanya' pun Proton sempet beli Lotus. Apa bener? Lantas, kenapa skrg rujuk lagi ama Mitsu...? Plin plan gini deh. Celebek bener...!
2. Ane demeeeen banget ama desain delica ama Hyundai di atas... sayang, yg Delica engga masuk, dan yg hyundai, dikiit banget unitnya dan bentar banget masuknya..knp gitu yahh...?
1. kalo lihat rentang sejarahnya yang namanya nota T.O.T. itu ada masa berlakunya om... memang terlihat cerai tapi seperti saya bilang sebelumnya ada nota kerjasama internal yang mungkin bukan konsumsi publik.

kalo cerai kan pertanyaannya simpel... kok bisa Proton bikin model generik Lancer Evo. X (Proton Inspira) ?

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urusan mengenai Lotus, di wiki ada penjelasannya

In 1996, Proton acquired a 63.75% share in Lotus Group International Limited for £40,640,000.This was later increased to 100% in 2003. A later PriceWaterhouse Coopers audit would find that the CEO, Yahaya Ahmad, had inked the agreement on 16 October 1996. The agreement was presented to the board for approval on 27 November 1996. As part of the purchase agreement (signed prior to board agreement), there were restrictions placed on Proton's ownership of Lotus. One of the restrictions was a prohibition on diluting ACBN's remaining shareholding for a period of five years. This restricted Proton in its operation of the Lotus business and required Proton to guarantee a £40 million loan in 2000.

nggak cuma Lotus, Proton juga beli saham MV Agusta walopun hasilnya kacau beliau.

In December 2005, Proton purchased a majority share in MV Agusta of Italy at 70 million Euro. MV Agusta was the manufacturer of MV Agusta, Husqvarna, and Cagiva motorcycles. A year later, Proton sold off its 57.7% share in MV Agusta to Italy's GEVI Spa for a token of 1 Euro. Due to heavy debt by MV Agusta, the selling enabled Proton to write off the losses off its book, but the buyer would assume the €107 million ($174 million) debt. In August 2007, GEVI SpA the company that bought over MV Agusta for 1 Euro sold the brand Husqvarna and its factory to BMW for a reported 93 million Euros leading to speculations by the Malaysian public of bad management of the company's board of directors resulting in further loss of reputation for the company.

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2. Delica nggak masuk ? siapa bilang... ada kok dari tahun 60-sampe sekarang juga masih dijual cuma ganti logo :mrgreen:

Delica T100 & T120
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Delica L series
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Delica D:5 (dijual dengan unit terbatas sejak IIMS 2010 : http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... -Indonesia)
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sumber : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Delica
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Uuuungngng... Delica yang ditiru Hyundai itu ooom.... :ungg: :ungg: bukan yg burung hantu atw Elsape....Image
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VanzMatic wrote:Uuuungngng... Delica yang ditiru Hyundai itu ooom.... :ungg: :ungg: bukan yg burung hantu atw Elsape....Image
wah jangan tanya saya kok hyundai jualnya cuma sebentar... saya sendiri kalo ada rejeki incer Arya buat klangenan kok :mky_01:

kalo menurut pendapat pribadi sih tahun keluarnya Arya / Grace itu masih tahap merintis ulang Hyundai di INA setelah jeweran WTO gara-gara "proyek" mobnas anaknya si mbah :upss:

mungkin karena waktu itu model van segede Arya masih kalah pamor sama elsapek yang lebih tua ya jualannya juga di stop.
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sekedar menambah gambar....Hyundai Porter :mky_08:

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tapi kan gak dijual disini, mudah2an gak dipentung TS-nya :ungg:
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jalu wrote:sekedar menambah gambar....Hyundai Porter :mky_08:

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tapi kan gak dijual disini, mudah2an gak dipentung TS-nya :ungg:
soalnya rebadge di pasar INA cuma itungan jari, tapi kalo produk CBU yang masuk INA sih banyak :upss:

buat contoh aja Suzuki SX4 punya kembaran FIAT Sedici, cuma yang dijual pake logo S gak punya mesin diesel :big_peace:

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Renault Kangoo yang pernah dijual juga punya kembaran kok disini, dijual pake nama Peugot Partner (model sekarang Peugeot Partner Teepee)
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tapi di eropa juga punya kembaran lain... Citroen Berlingo :big_peace:

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Pak Uwo wrote:
doq wrote:charade nya emang dijual jg disini? :big_slap:
mas doq : ini ada berita mengenai Daihatsu Charade : http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... yota-Yaris
kira2 kapan diluncurin nya ya oom?
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doq wrote:
Pak Uwo wrote:
doq wrote:charade nya emang dijual jg disini? :big_slap:
mas doq : ini ada berita mengenai Daihatsu Charade : <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... read/2011/ ... yota-Yaris</a><!-- m -->
kira2 kapan diluncurin nya ya oom?
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wah... ternyata banyak sekali suatu perusahaan otomotif yang saling bekerja sama dan dipasarkan di indonesia baru segitu saja saya sudah bingung dan jarang lihat mobilnya maklum di desa. Bagaimana jika sekarang dilanjut dengan kerja sama otomotif yang di pasarkan secara global?
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Lucky11 wrote:wah... ternyata banyak sekali suatu perusahaan otomotif yang saling bekerja sama dan dipasarkan di indonesia baru segitu saja saya sudah bingung dan jarang lihat mobilnya maklum di desa. Bagaimana jika sekarang dilanjut dengan kerja sama otomotif yang di pasarkan secara global?

bener banget mas lucky tujuannya biar hemat biaya riset dan juga pengembangan kan repot kalau mulai dari nol , kalau diskusi kaya ginikan enak no spam gak pake main adu anggar segala :mky_07:
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Lucky11 wrote:wah... ternyata banyak sekali suatu perusahaan otomotif yang saling bekerja sama dan dipasarkan di indonesia baru segitu saja saya sudah bingung dan jarang lihat mobilnya maklum di desa. Bagaimana jika sekarang dilanjut dengan kerja sama otomotif yang di pasarkan secara global?
ya cuma liat kondisi di INA masalah ada di propaganda sales... jadinya banyak fanboy deh.

buat contoh paling dekat aja, sepupu saya pernah hampir adu jotos sama orang gara-gara dia bilang avanza itu xenia ganti bulu (dari penjelasan saya sebelumnya) faktanya ya avanza selain trim S itu memang diproduksi di plant punya ADM di cikarang (trim E & G) juga 99% part yang ada di avanza berlabel daihatsu.

contoh paling nyata bisa dilihat di printing kaca mobil... atau buka boks filter udara. :upss:

nah sekarang, kalo mau bahas mobil rebadge mau darimana dulu ? yang jelas proton - hyundai - mitsubishi udah saya sebutin... kalo mau liat jenis mobil rebadge secara global ya tinggal saya tumpahin isi wikipedia & google disini :upss:
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kalau dari wiki kan pakai bahasa inggris jadi ga tau artinya...
ambil yang simpel aja yah...
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Ini Opel Agila...aka Suzuki Splash
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ni chevy suburban - gmc yukon xl

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chevy tahoe - gmc yukon l........... (males cari gambar.....)
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akang BTT bro, ini bahas mobil kerjasama otomtif yg ada di indonesia bukan eropa atau amrik :big_peace:
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solar_kerosen wrote:akang BTT bro, ini bahas mobil kerjasama otomtif yg ada di indonesia bukan eropa atau amrik :big_peace:
Lucky11 wrote:wah... ternyata banyak sekali suatu perusahaan otomotif yang saling bekerja sama dan dipasarkan di indonesia baru segitu saja saya sudah bingung dan jarang lihat mobilnya maklum di desa. Bagaimana jika sekarang dilanjut dengan kerja sama otomotif yang di pasarkan secara global?
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Kalau sudah masuk ke Global, saya rasa, harus diperhatikan ke induk perusahaan, apakah itu kerja sama antar dua perusahaan yang diluar group atau masih didalam satu group.
Contoh : Suzuki dengan Volkswagen meskipun VW ada saham sedikit di Suzuki tetapi ini diluar group.
kemudian GM - Chevrolet - Cadillac ini masih satu group.
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ak4ng wrote:ni chevy suburban - gmc yukon xl
ketinggalan 1 lagi kang
suburban-yukon xl-escalade esv
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Pak Uwo wrote:Kalau sudah masuk ke Global, saya rasa, harus diperhatikan ke induk perusahaan, apakah itu kerja sama antar dua perusahaan yang diluar group atau masih didalam satu group.
Contoh : Suzuki dengan Volkswagen meskipun VW ada saham sedikit di Suzuki tetapi ini diluar group.
kemudian GM - Chevrolet - Cadillac ini masih satu group.
nah gini pak kita cari yang simpel aja soalnya kalau pakai group kan misal seperti Astra ada Toyota, Daihatsu, Isuzu. Ini yang dicari hanya merk yang berbeda tapi model sama seperti hp blackberry gitu pak. Tapi kalau pakai group ide yang bagus tuh...
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Lucky11 wrote:
Pak Uwo wrote:Kalau sudah masuk ke Global, saya rasa, harus diperhatikan ke induk perusahaan, apakah itu kerja sama antar dua perusahaan yang diluar group atau masih didalam satu group.
Contoh : Suzuki dengan Volkswagen meskipun VW ada saham sedikit di Suzuki tetapi ini diluar group.
kemudian GM - Chevrolet - Cadillac ini masih satu group.
nah gini pak kita cari yang simpel aja soalnya kalau pakai group kan misal seperti Astra ada Toyota, Daihatsu, Isuzu. Ini yang dicari hanya merk yang berbeda tapi model sama seperti hp blackberry gitu pak. Tapi kalau pakai group ide yang bagus tuh...
suzuki & vw lagi perang lho..... :big_peace:

contoh lain GM - Renault

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yang barusan itu kalo ambil contoh dari satu unit utuh yang ganti KTP...

sekarang ambil contoh lagi satu platform / basis jadi banyak jenis :big_peace:

awal mulanya dari ini

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Golf Mk.1

trus anakan terakhirnya jadi ini

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Audi A3 Mk.2 (8P)

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Audi TT Mk.2 (8J)

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Volkswagen Touran (1T)

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Volkswagen Caddy (2K)

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SEAT Altea (5P)

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Volkswagen Golf Mk5 / GTI / R32 / Rabbit Mk5 (1K)

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Škoda Octavia Mk2 (1Z)

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Volkswagen Golf Plus (5M)

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SEAT Toledo Mk3 (5P)

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Volkswagen Jetta Mk5 (1K)

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SEAT León Mk2 (1P)

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Volkswagen Eos (1F)

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Volkswagen Tiguan (5N)

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Volkswagen Scirocco (13)

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Volkswagen Golf Mk6 (5K)

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Škoda Yeti (5J)

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Škoda Superb (3T)

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Audi Q3

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Volkswagen Jetta Mk6 (NCS)

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Volkswagen Beetle (2011-)

The Volkswagen Group A platform is an automobile platform shared among compact and mid-size cars of the Volkswagen Group.

It was originally based on the engineering concept of the Volkswagen Golf Mk1, and is applicable to either front- or four-wheel drive vehicles, using only front-mounted transverse engines.

Volkswagens based on this platform have been referred to by generation number, ie. the first Golf version would be referred to as an "A1 Golf". Often "Mk*" ("Mark") is substituted for "A*", but this can be misleading: For example, the Mk1 and Mk2 Sciroccos are both based on the A1 platform.

Under Volkswagen's revised platform naming system, the "A4" platform is now known as the PQ34 platform, and what would have been called the A5 platform is officially the PQ35 platform. The new nomenclature is derived as follows:

P indicates a passenger car platform
Q (quer) indicates a transverse engine
3 indicates the platform size or class
5 indicates the evolution or generation

The PQ35 platform is designed to be more modular and flexible than previous A platforms. For the first time, a fully independent suspension front and rear will be present in all A platform vehicles. There is also a derivative version of this platform for 'B'-class cars (with larger variations expected in the future) called PQ46.

PQ35 is intended for compact-size vehicles, and PQ46 is an enlarged version for mid-size vehicles, such as the Volkswagen Passat. A common misconception is that the PQ46 generation of the Passat is based on the "B6" (PL46) platform. However, this transverse-engined Passat has little in common with the longitudinal-engined "B6" Audi A4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen ... .28PQ35.29
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waduh... tiguan anak golf........ baru tau....
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terjemahannya kira-kira begini.

Platform A dari Volkswagen Group adalah platform kendaraan yang dibagi diantara mobil berukuran kompak dan ukuran medium dari Volkswagen Group.

Awalnya bermula dari konsep rekayasa Volkswagen Golf Mk1, dan dapat diaplikasikan pada mobil berpenggerak roda depan atau penggerak empat roda (4wd) yang menggunakan hanya mesin depan dengan posisi transversal (melintang).

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Mobil VW yang berdasarkan pada platform ini dibagi menjadi beberapa nomor generasi, sebagai contoh Golf generasi pertama disebut sebagai "Golf A1". Seringkali "Mk*" ("Mark") menggantikan kode "A*", namun hal ini bisa membingungkan: Sebagai contoh, VW Scirocco Mk1 dan Mk2 berdasarkan pada platform A1.

Dibawah sistem revisi penamaan Volkswagen, platform "A4" kini dikenal sebagai platform PQ34, dan yang sebelumnya disebut sebagai platform A5 kini secara resmi disebut sebagai platform PQ35. Kode tersebut dijabarkan sebagai berikut :

P menunjukkan platform mobil penumpang
Q (quer) menunjukkan posisi mesin melintang (transversal)
3 menunjukkan ukuran atau kelas platform indicates the platform size or class
5 menunjukkan evolusi atau generasi

Platform PQ35 didesain untuk menjadi platform yang lebih 'modular' dan fleksibel dibanding platform A sebelumnya. Untuk pertama kalinya, sistem suspensi independen roda depan dan belakang hadir diseluruh kendaraan platform A. Selain itu juga ada versi pengembangan dari platform dini untuk kendaraan kelas 'B' (dengan variasi yang lebih besar diperkirakan hadir dimasa mendatang) yang disebut PQ46.

PQ35 ditujukan untuk kendaraan berukuran kompak, dan PQ46 adalah versi yang lebih besar untuk kendaraan berukuran medium, semisal Volkswagen Passat. Kesalahan pengertian yang umum adalah bahwa generasi PQ46 dari Passat berdasarkan pada platform "B6" (PL46). Namun, Passat dengan mesin transversal ini mempunyai sedikit kemiripan dengan Audi A4 "B6" dengan posisi mesin longitudinal (sejajar).

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wah... lengkap banget om perfect jadi bisa dimengerti deh kejadiannya seperti itu, jadi sekarang sudah jelas deh...
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Ya ampun tumpah deh googlenya om purrfect :frm_salut:
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FortunerMan wrote:Ya ampun tumpah deh googlenya om purrfect :frm_salut:
ada lagi sih yang mungkin kebanyakan orang nggak tau.

ini

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masih satu garis keturunan sama ini

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dan ini

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*di forum sebelah pernah ada yang adu "urat" karena nggak mau (atau nggak bisa) terima faktanya :upss:
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