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DigitALL wrote:Oh lg di jkt go. Wah asik neh si bos jalan2 terus :mky_08:

Parah jg semua full plastik keras begini. Keliatan dari Accord jg door handle dalem yg gen sebelumnya besi (dingin kalau dipegang), yg gen baru jadi bahan plastik :e-think: Untung CR-V gen 3 masih dipertahankan pake besi walaupun bagian lainnya jd full plastik :off_no: Bagusnya masih tertolong dgn design interiornya yg modern dan lapang.
Tidak selapang generasi sebelumnya...
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Beneran dah, Civic baru ini kalau gak ada i-MID nya udah fix produk gagal kalau menurut ane.
Haha... ketolong i-MID nya ya go.

Oya mesin yg 2.0 jg sepertinya spec down. Dari DOHC skrng jd SOHC. Saya lebih prefer 2.0 yg sebelumnya, K20.
Katanya seh biar lebih hemat.. Hemat ongkos produksi kaleehh.. hihihi...

i-MID nya ane akuin keren boss CM hehe..
FortunerMan wrote:Dari segi penjualan sih sama sekali tidak gagal... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... Q520120403
Gimana pun Honda sebagai perusahaan sudah sangat besar dan untuk kelas small sedan gini setau ane malah Japanese yang class leading kan? Kalau gak Corolla ya Civic..

Still, I don't want one.. :ungg: IMO
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civic baru ini kok terasa kurang gregetnya....baru kali ini saya berpendapat begini untuk civic....IMO biasanya setiap keluar civic model baru selalu lbh mendebarkan dan selalu bikin saya penasaran dibanding model sebelumnya..tapi kali ini tidak..
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jalu wrote:civic baru ini kok terasa kurang gregetnya....baru kali ini saya berpendapat begini untuk civic....IMO biasanya setiap keluar civic model baru selalu lbh mendebarkan dan selalu bikin saya penasaran dibanding model sebelumnya..tapi kali ini tidak..
karena design mengarah ke konservatif?
setuju kak, civic ini kurang bikin berdebar... tapi kalo ada cewe manis di dalemnya, bikin yang bawa bergetar... :upss:

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maskopat wrote:
jalu wrote:civic baru ini kok terasa kurang gregetnya....baru kali ini saya berpendapat begini untuk civic....IMO biasanya setiap keluar civic model baru selalu lbh mendebarkan dan selalu bikin saya penasaran dibanding model sebelumnya..tapi kali ini tidak..
karena design mengarah ke konservatif?
setuju kak, civic ini kurang bikin berdebar... tapi kalo ada cewe manis di dalemnya, bikin yang bawa bergetar... :upss:

............ :ngacir:
ya memang begitu....cewe manis yang konservatif sekalipun tetap mendebarkan..... :upss: :ngacir: :ngacir:
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maskopat wrote:
jalu wrote:civic baru ini kok terasa kurang gregetnya....baru kali ini saya berpendapat begini untuk civic....IMO biasanya setiap keluar civic model baru selalu lbh mendebarkan dan selalu bikin saya penasaran dibanding model sebelumnya..tapi kali ini tidak..
karena design mengarah ke konservatif?
setuju kak, civic ini kurang bikin berdebar... tapi kalo ada cewe manis di dalemnya, bikin yang bawa bergetar... :upss:

............ :ngacir:
Asmiranda inside? :e-think:
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AD74YA wrote:
maskopat wrote:
jalu wrote:civic baru ini kok terasa kurang gregetnya....baru kali ini saya berpendapat begini untuk civic....IMO biasanya setiap keluar civic model baru selalu lbh mendebarkan dan selalu bikin saya penasaran dibanding model sebelumnya..tapi kali ini tidak..
karena design mengarah ke konservatif?
setuju kak, civic ini kurang bikin berdebar... tapi kalo ada cewe manis di dalemnya, bikin yang bawa bergetar... :upss:

............ :ngacir:
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nahh ini br segerr... :off_good_job: kang
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Senada dgn yang lain.. modelnya cakepan yg lama.. mantapp..

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Baru liat aslinya , eksterior doank . Kesan wa makin kuat , ini civic fail banget . Bener ....gak spt civic yg udah2 , tiap kluar jadi buat berdebar . Apalagi gen sblmnya asli gahar desainnya . Yg ini ...... mgkn gara2 bukan jdm
kl dibandingkan usdm , gen ini mgkn udah upgrade version kali ya ?
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biarpun modelnya banyak perubahan dibanding generasi sebelumnya, tapi menurut saya, velgnya sama2 bagus untuk yg versi 2.0nya.. :mky_01:

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Ijin nyimak
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pukimak lah :frm_shock:

ini ganti model malah penurunan :

Desain = downgrade
Mesin = downgrade
Fitur = upgrade

Overal = Fail :frm_bang_head:

cuma fitur iMID doank yg upgrade
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udah banyak mah yg civic baru di palembang :mky_03:


tapi ane suka ,model civic sebelum ganti muka ini :big_smoking:
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angel dash wrote:pukimak lah :frm_shock:

ini ganti model malah penurunan :

Desain = downgrade
Mesin = downgrade
Fitur = upgrade

Overal = Fail :frm_bang_head:

cuma fitur iMID doank yg upgrade
iya,. sampe fog lamp yg ga nyampe sejuta aja ga ngasih,. camshaft nya sekarang cuma satu alias SOHC,. kek angkot,.
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SOHC bukan bearti penurunan performance kang... mesin honda yg D15B jg SOHC.. tapi kalo ngadu lawan apanja nt, dijamin cium asep knalpot nya aja kang... apalagi kalo vtec nya uda nendang...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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DOHC wrote:SOHC bukan bearti penurunan performance kang... mesin honda yg D15B jg SOHC.. tapi kalo ngadu lawan apanja nt, dijamin cium asep knalpot nya aja kang... apalagi kalo vtec nya uda nendang...
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ak4ng wrote:]asmi randa?? huhh... Image
huh? Sapa?

Ini?

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DOHC wrote:SOHC bukan bearti penurunan performance kang... mesin honda yg D15B jg SOHC.. tapi kalo ngadu lawan apanja nt, dijamin cium asep knalpot nya aja kang... apalagi kalo vtec nya uda nendang...
untuk kapasitas displacement yg sama seperti pada new civic yg menggunakan R20 SOHC sebagai pengganti K20 jelas merupakan downgrade apapun alasannya :e-whistle:

memang di satu sisi banyak yg beralasan penggunaan SOHC lebih baik untuk kebutuhan daily driving krn lebih torque utilities. namun tetap saja, untuk kapasitas yg sama performa yg dihasilkan lebih baik DOHC :e-whistle:
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yup bener..
menurut ane ,dohc memang lebih baik performanya.

Tetapi mesin Honda type R20 , walaupun SOHC , tetapi memiliki banyak peningkatan dibandingkan type K20.

Antaralain akselerasi dan grafik power band lebih baik.
FC juga signifikan lebih irit.

Contoh : CRV 2.0 gen 3 FC nya jauh lebih baik daripada crv 2.0 gen 2.

Design pistonnya lebih baik , lebih ringan dan kuat. Demikian juga dengan friksi antara piston dengan dinding silinder dibuat lebih minimal. Perbedaan utama adallah bore x stroke yang undersquare. Walau ada sedikit penurunan tenaga di rpm puncaknya. ini sudah jadi ciri undersquare engine. Tetapi overall lebih baik dari sebelumnya.

ini artikelnya

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On paper, the new R20A engine actually fares pretty well against the out-going K20A engine - in the context of the CR-V (i.e. R20A as used on the new CR-V versus the K20A as used on the 2nd Gen CR-V). Both engines are approximately 2.0l in displacement, the R20A being 1c.c. smaller at 1997c.c. compared to 1998c.c. for the K20A. While the K20A was a square configuration (bore and stroke are equal), the R20A on the other hand is a greatly under-square design, with bore and stroke at 81.0mm X 96.9mm. By general rule of thumb, an undersquare configuration will offer superior low and mid-range torque compared to the square configuration, with some compromises in power delivery at high-rpm. Both the K20A and R20A offers a variable length intake manifold and both engines are tuned for smooth torque and power delivery rather than outright max power. Then the R20A also has the benefit of the new SOHC i-VTEC mechanism that offers excellent fuel economy during light throttle cruising conditions.

In terms of specifications, the R20A again compares quite well to the K20A. It delivers a max power of 110kW or 150ps at 6,200rpm with a max torque of 19.4kgm at 4,200rpm. The 2nd gen CR-V's K20A for the Malaysian domestic market meanwhile was rated 156ps at 6,500rpm, 6ps more but with the same max torque of 19.4km at 4000 rpm. However, note that this is for the Malaysian market and for most of ASEAN, the 2nd gen CR-V was actually rated at the same 150ps as the R20A. Thus, 2nd gen CR-Vs in Thailand, Singapore and so forth were all rated at 150ps instead of 156ps. But single figures like max power or max torque don't tell the whole story of course. With the R20A, Honda engineers has been particularly successful in exploiting the advantages of the undersquare design to deliver an overall better midrange torque/power delivery than the K20A. The chart on the left is cropped from a photo of one of the presentation foils of the technical overview that was presented to us (media) during the new CR-V launch as well as the media test-drive. Note how the torque curve of the R20A is smoother than that of the K20A to the extent that the R20A actually delivers slightly superior torque in the crucial areas of the mid-range rpm band. Bearing in mind the R20A CR-V is only offered with a 5AT, a superior mid-range is more important than outright top-end power and this is exactly where the R20A wins over the K20A in terms of power delivery.
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ak4ng wrote:
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Dari perasaan ane yg paling dalam, ane merasa kalau product baru ini downgrade dari versi sebelumnya. FD ke new FD nggak lebih dari sekedar perubahan kecil, istilahnya dipermak kecil-kecilan, dan hasilnya... getting worse :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

Akhirnya ane penasaran test drive di Honda BSD utk lebih tahu impresi-nya langsung. Secara tampilan eksterior dan interior menurut ane nggak ada greget sama sekali, bener spt kata orang-orang, masih lebih cakep old FD (walaupun ini murni subyektifitas ane).

Di material interior yg "ancur" kalau nggak mau dibilang jelek (kebetulan dapat tipe 1.8 a/t interior warna krem). finishing dashboard juga so-so, paling parah di bagian a/c controller yg kelihatan cheap :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: Design multiplex meter nggak lebih dari edit-an old FD

Aplagi desain exteriornya yg "konservatif". Kok sepertinya honda jadi berkiblat ke "corolla" tentang desain ya (herannya desain toyota akhir2 ini justru lebih "sporty" contohnya new camry & lexus). lampu depan terlalu simple, lampu belakang itu titik ter"buruk" dari new-FD ini :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: beberapa bagian yg menurut ane bagus itu disain pinggul yg lebih "seksoy", lebih gembung, selain itu desain pintu belakang juga improve dibanding old-FD.

IMpresi berkendara mirip2 FD lawas, handling & tarikan juga mirip2, view mengemudi hampir sama dgn old-FD. Yg paling menggembirakan ya fitur2nya. Selama ini pabrikan berlogo "H" ini terkenal pelit feature, tapi kali ini lumayan royal, contohnya HU integrated, steering audio switch dan yg paling keren itu i-MID yg cukup interactive (walaupun fitur foglamp, rear sensor tetep absen :mky_01: )

Nggak heran menurut blog automotive US, blog.cars.com Honda new civic gagal.. Malah isunya pertengahan 2013 bakalan ada "significant change" di civic. DI jepang malah belum keluar :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

maaf ane nggak ada foto, test drive yg singkat
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Tomiko_Van wrote:Dari perasaan ane yg paling dalam, ane merasa kalau product baru ini downgrade dari versi sebelumnya. FD ke new FD nggak lebih dari sekedar perubahan kecil, istilahnya dipermak kecil-kecilan, dan hasilnya... getting worse :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

Akhirnya ane penasaran test drive di Honda BSD utk lebih tahu impresi-nya langsung. Secara tampilan eksterior dan interior menurut ane nggak ada greget sama sekali, bener spt kata orang-orang, masih lebih cakep old FD (walaupun ini murni subyektifitas ane).

Di material interior yg "ancur" kalau nggak mau dibilang jelek (kebetulan dapat tipe 1.8 a/t interior warna krem). finishing dashboard juga so-so, paling parah di bagian a/c controller yg kelihatan cheap :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: Design multiplex meter nggak lebih dari edit-an old FD

Aplagi desain exteriornya yg "konservatif". Kok sepertinya honda jadi berkiblat ke "corolla" tentang desain ya (herannya desain toyota akhir2 ini justru lebih "sporty" contohnya new camry & lexus). lampu depan terlalu simple, lampu belakang itu titik ter"buruk" dari new-FD ini :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head: beberapa bagian yg menurut ane bagus itu disain pinggul yg lebih "seksoy", lebih gembung, selain itu desain pintu belakang juga improve dibanding old-FD.

IMpresi berkendara mirip2 FD lawas, handling & tarikan juga mirip2, view mengemudi hampir sama dgn old-FD. Yg paling menggembirakan ya fitur2nya. Selama ini pabrikan berlogo "H" ini terkenal pelit feature, tapi kali ini lumayan royal, contohnya HU integrated, steering audio switch dan yg paling keren itu i-MID yg cukup interactive (walaupun fitur foglamp, rear sensor tetep absen :mky_01: )

Nggak heran menurut blog automotive US, blog.cars.com Honda new civic gagal.. Malah isunya pertengahan 2013 bakalan ada "significant change" di civic. DI jepang malah belum keluar :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

maaf ane nggak ada foto, test drive yg singkat
Penjualannya di indo gimana yah? soalnya sampai saat ini jarang banget ketemu barang ini di jalan :mky_01:
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sampe skrg wa cm liat satu biji Civic baru warna putih
dari belakang keren sih cm dr dpn....... bener2 downgrade deh
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campoeran wrote:sampe skrg wa cm liat satu biji Civic baru warna putih
dari belakang keren sih cm dr dpn....... bener2 downgrade deh
bentar lagi didiskon neh :mky_04:
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hehe bener ato taun dpn masukin new civic dengan spoiler + foglamp dan fitur lbh lagi
harga turun 5jt
laku keras deh

spt kasus oddysey baru sejak diganti spoiler model yg absolute dan ada foglamp . harga turun juga , wa liat lbh banyak oddy baru kliaran di jalan.