avansa vs touring

Butuh saran untuk membeli kendaraan untuk pribadi, keluarga ataupun kerja? Silakan dibahas disini...

Moderators: Ryan Steele, sh00t, r12qiSonH4ji, avantgardebronze, akbarfit

ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

Om NG ad inpo crq yg m/t????
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
BADAK
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6007
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:45

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by BADAK »

ak4ng ini berani OOT disini apa mnt disetrum + dilempar bata? :big_smoking:
Dream as if you'll live forever
Live as if you'll die today
User avatar
imsus2c
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6697
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 14:11
Location: almost there...

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by imsus2c »

ak4ng wrote:Om NG ad inpo crq yg m/t????
coba dibaca dan disimak 2 topic ini:
http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... 16#p131216
http://www.serayamotor.com/diskusi/view ... 12&t=11796




.....kembali ke avanza v.s. touring :thanks:
si vis pacem para bellum - si vis bellum para pacem - si vis pacem para pactum
de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum
listening before talking - reading before writing - doing before asking
ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

BADAK wrote:ak4ng ini berani OOT disini apa mnt disetrum + dilempar bata? :big_smoking:
Sok aj kl brani tak jabanin....

Kabur sblum dikejar BADAK...... :ngacir: :ngacir: :ngacir:
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
BADAK
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6007
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:45

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by BADAK »

exhaust wrote:
maskopat wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Satu lagi..

Sepengamatan pribadi atas Touring ipar dan Vanza ipar, keknya finishing cat Vanza lebih sempurna sedikit ketimbang Panther y? Di sela2 pintu kliatan bedanya.. Any further opinion?
beberapa yang ane lihat, daihatsu lebih baik finishing catnya...
tapi kembali ke TS... apa sih kriteria utama dan tambahan dari pemilihan mobil?
karena di harga segini, ada kuda, kijang, trajet, carnival... bahkan bisa masuk juga caravelle, viano... :big_peace:
Maunya sih
-nyaman
-gagah
-fc
-badak
-resale value bagus

kalau carnival gak banget, negatifnya- biaya service mahal, ac sering bermasalah, fc, dll. walau nyaman & terkesan mewah,dll jg
Knapa ini nama gw disebut2? :big_smoking:
BTT, dr smua persyaratan lbh mendekati touring om. Hny poin pertama yg relatif. Bagi saya touring bisa dibilang "gak nyaman". Yg pernah naek turing saya rata2 komennya: gagah, GC tinggi, tp gak nyaman, suara kyk truk. hehehehe.
Padahal wkt pasang audio installer nya bilang kl panther peredaman lbh bagus dr kijang, tp ttp aja suara mesin tembus ke kabin. Waktu mo ganti grand turing pertimbangan saya kedua innova D4D. Tapi krn saya suka tampang grand turing serta udah ada innova D4D, akhirnya pilih gran turing aja dgn kompensasi harus bisa menerima semua ketidaknyamanan yg ada. hehehehe
Dream as if you'll live forever
Live as if you'll die today
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

Setuju deh..

Poin2 persyaratan dari TS lebih bisa dipenuhin oleh Touring. Yang black keren tuh, dapet gak y dengan bujetnya TS? Siap2 aja agak kebanting2 plus suara nyit2 cit2 interiornya.. No big deal lah kalo uda biasa.

Pantat jangan terlalu dimanjain naek mobil terlalu nyaman tar dianya ngelunjak loh.. :big_peace:
Das Beste oder nichts.
ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

Kl g slh phanter dr taun 97an mesinnya g berubah smpe skarang ya?????
Apanja begitu facelift lgsg gnt mesin dr k3de mjd k3ve... Cmiiw
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
imsus2c
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6697
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 14:11
Location: almost there...

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by imsus2c »

ak4ng wrote:Kl g slh phanter dr taun 97an mesinnya g berubah smpe skarang ya?????
Apanja begitu facelift lgsg gnt mesin dr k3de mjd k3ve... Cmiiw
ada dikit tuh...ditambah turbo dan EGR
si vis pacem para bellum - si vis bellum para pacem - si vis pacem para pactum
de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum
listening before talking - reading before writing - doing before asking
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

ak4ng wrote:Kl g slh phanter dr taun 97an mesinnya g berubah smpe skarang ya?????
Apanja begitu facelift lgsg gnt mesin dr k3de mjd k3ve... Cmiiw
Mmmm....

Sepertinya lebih tepat kalo diistilahkan 'ganti cylinder head' om ak4ng, mesinnya sih sama aja K3, ganti head dari DE non VVT-I ke VE VVT-I..

Monggo yang lain nambahin ato ngorexi.
Das Beste oder nichts.
ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
Walah..

Kalo enjin blok tetep berjudul K3 ntah itu K3-DE ato K3-VE y tetep 1.300 CC atuh om hehe.. Monggo yang lain nambahin..

Udah sangat lumrah bagi berbagai pabrikan mobil, kalo kode designasi blok mesin berubah, pastilah kapasitas berubah. Berkaitan dengan topik kita, kalo judulnya tetep 'K3', ya tetep CC nya..
Das Beste oder nichts.
User avatar
imsus2c
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6697
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 14:11
Location: almost there...

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by imsus2c »

ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
trus mustinya (panther) ditambahi apa lagi dong biar dibilang kreatif? :ungg:

mungkin bisa dijadikan masukkan tim r&d isuzu tuh :ungg:
si vis pacem para bellum - si vis bellum para pacem - si vis pacem para pactum
de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum
listening before talking - reading before writing - doing before asking
User avatar
imsus2c
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6697
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 14:11
Location: almost there...

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by imsus2c »

Nightster Guy wrote:
ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
Walah..

Kalo enjin blok tetep berjudul K3 ntah itu K3-DE ato K3-VE y tetep 1.300 CC atuh om hehe.. Monggo yang lain nambahin..

Udah sangat lumrah bagi berbagai pabrikan mobil, kalo kode designasi blok mesin berubah, pastilah kapasitas berubah. Berkaitan dengan topik kita, kalo judulnya tetep 'K3', ya tetep CC nya..
mungkin maksudnya CC = Catalytic Converter

kalo ini sih dipasang (mungkin) karena kena aturan emisi aja :e-whistle:
kalo ga ada aturan emisi, (mungkin) juga ga dipasang, nambahin cost aja...bukan masalah kreativitas :e-whistle:
si vis pacem para bellum - si vis bellum para pacem - si vis pacem para pactum
de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum
listening before talking - reading before writing - doing before asking
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

imsus2c wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:
ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
Walah..

Kalo enjin blok tetep berjudul K3 ntah itu K3-DE ato K3-VE y tetep 1.300 CC atuh om hehe.. Monggo yang lain nambahin..

Udah sangat lumrah bagi berbagai pabrikan mobil, kalo kode designasi blok mesin berubah, pastilah kapasitas berubah. Berkaitan dengan topik kita, kalo judulnya tetep 'K3', ya tetep CC nya..
mungkin maksudnya CC = Catalytic Converter

kalo ini sih dipasang (mungkin) karena kena aturan emisi aja :e-whistle:
kalo ga ada aturan emisi, (mungkin) juga ga dipasang, nambahin cost aja...bukan masalah kreativitas :e-whistle:
Ow, okeh2..

Gitu y om ak4ng? Sori2..
Kalo soal CC, keknya sih gitu, mods. Sejauh gak disuruh, produsen di Indo mah bakal masa bodolah.
Das Beste oder nichts.
User avatar
m4rio
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 3107
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 12:38

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by m4rio »

hmm.. bener gk sih ya, yang selama ini ane tau.

seitem itemnya asap knalpot mesin diesel tetep lebih berbahaya asap yang keluar dari mesin bensin??? sebelum ditambah CC dan segala macam lainnya.

soalnya yang ane denger dan tau selama ini begitu katanya.
nah analisa ane kenapa bisa begitu karena kan asap gas buang mesin diesel cenderung ke karbon ( kalo menurut ane sih kalo pas naik motor di belakang bus ya kyk hampir2 berasa debu kalo kehirup ).

CMIIW
wuzz...wuzz...wuzz nyaris tak terdengar.

sangat irit dan kuat !!!!!!!!!!!!
ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

imsus2c wrote:
ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
trus mustinya (panther) ditambahi apa lagi dong biar dibilang kreatif? :ungg:

mungkin bisa dijadikan masukkan tim r&d isuzu tuh :ungg:
Pasang mesin isuzu mu7...... Bikin varian bensinnya.. Itung2 penerus tokisul.. Jgn mlh mjd spt chevy tavera..... Trus ada yg 4wd tulennya.. Jgn cuma nampang spt phanter GT.... Oia jgn lp gak boleh ngebullll and bisa minyak rakyat.. Lbh bgs multifuel ky jaman PD II..... Imho...
Yg laen silahkan menambahkan...
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

ak4ng wrote:
imsus2c wrote:
ak4ng wrote:Perubahan apanja dr de ke ve kl g slh byk.. Slain cyl head,ditambah CC, ap lg y???
Phanter nambah turbo+egr doank mah g kreatip.. Imho
trus mustinya (panther) ditambahi apa lagi dong biar dibilang kreatif? :ungg:

mungkin bisa dijadikan masukkan tim r&d isuzu tuh :ungg:
Pasang mesin isuzu mu7...... Bikin varian bensinnya.. Itung2 penerus tokisul.. Jgn mlh mjd spt chevy tavera..... Trus ada yg 4wd tulennya.. Jgn cuma nampang spt phanter GT.... Oia jgn lp gak boleh ngebullll and bisa minyak rakyat.. Lbh bgs multifuel ky jaman PD II..... Imho...
Yg laen silahkan menambahkan...
Walah..

Multi-fuel? Kayak jip Ford Utility nya perang Vietnam donk om?
Kalo multi-fuel jelas berbasis mesin berbusi yang kompresinya rendah banget, om, agar bisa dipaksa nenggak minyak tanah. Dan mesin berkompresi ultra rendah ini jelas gak cocoklah diterapin di mesin2 jaman skarang (hanya semata ngejar agar bisa multi-fuel)..

Kalo saran ane sih, uda saatnya Panther ini ganti model, dan tolong kualitas interior ditingkatkan deh: design, bahan, dan fitmentnya.

:)
Das Beste oder nichts.
ak4ng
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 10469
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:20
Location: smi, bdg, jawa barat
Daily Vehicle: Unimog

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ak4ng »

Udah jenuh kali ya si kucing garong ini....
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD

INFO KOPI KLIK: KOPI MALABAR
User avatar
ZombiEE
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 11521
Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:20

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by ZombiEE »

Out of the two....jelas kucing pilihan ane....
User avatar
VanzMatic
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 11277
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:07
Location: Yogya Is Timewa

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by VanzMatic »

ak4ng wrote:Udah jenuh kali ya si kucing garong ini....
Padhal, ane lebih suka bodi panther yang lawas, yang versi 2.300 cc.. bener2 berasa tangguh aja ngliatnya..

Sorri, aliran 'kuno' ikut nimbrung mulu, isinya malah selalu mengagumi model2 yang udah jadoel, teknologi2 jadoel.. :big_peace:
" It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts "
User avatar
jalu
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 8009
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:17

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by jalu »

wah2...gak ada habis2nya nih membahas panther.. :D

banyak yg mengkritik krn mesin panther udah ketinggalan jaman (ngebul, bising dan loyo)...tapi banyak jg yang memuji krn panther masih menggunakan mesin disel jadul (handal, tidak sensitif kondisi solar, perawatan murah dan ternyata konsumsinya irit)

skrg....antara yang mengkritik dan yang merasa puas dng mesin panther lbh banyak yg mana nih jumlahnya....?? :D
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro


"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
User avatar
m4rio
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 3107
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 12:38

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by m4rio »

ane puas make panther..

wuzz wuzz wuzz cring cring cring, ssssttttt nyaris tak terdengar.
wuzz...wuzz...wuzz nyaris tak terdengar.

sangat irit dan kuat !!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

Ada temen nih..

Keknya saya sealiran maom VM, aliran konservatif.
Mesin disel jadul jelas lebih badak (ehm..) ketimbang disel skarang yang manja. Sisi buruknya pasti nilai emisinya lebih tinggi, efisiensi kalah, dan power output kalah.
Das Beste oder nichts.
User avatar
VanzMatic
New Member of Mechanic Master
New Member of Mechanic Master
Posts: 11277
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:07
Location: Yogya Is Timewa

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by VanzMatic »

Nightster Guy wrote:Ada temen nih..

Keknya saya sealiran maom VM, aliran konservatif.
Mesin disel jadul jelas lebih badak (ehm..) ketimbang disel skarang yang manja. Sisi buruknya pasti nilai emisinya lebih tinggi, efisiensi kalah, dan power output kalah.
Om Dak, dipanggil tuh.. :upss:

Waduh om, kalo sy, di SM ini, mungkin terkenalnya terlalu amat sangat kuno dan konservatif, wkwkwkwkwk.... (maksa.com)...
termasuk didalemnya, ane ogah dengan mobil yang terlalu banyak campur tangan perangkat komputer dibanding ketrampila pengemudi itu sendiri...

xixixixi....

No offense yaa buat penggemar en penikmat piranti2 elektronik di mobil skrg..
:big_peace:
" It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts "
User avatar
Nightster Guy
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Full Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 6542
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 16:20
Location: somewhere between here and eternity

Re: avansa vs touring

Post by Nightster Guy »

VanzMatic wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Ada temen nih..

Keknya saya sealiran maom VM, aliran konservatif.
Mesin disel jadul jelas lebih badak (ehm..) ketimbang disel skarang yang manja. Sisi buruknya pasti nilai emisinya lebih tinggi, efisiensi kalah, dan power output kalah.
Om Dak, dipanggil tuh.. :upss:

Waduh om, kalo sy, di SM ini, mungkin terkenalnya terlalu amat sangat kuno dan konservatif, wkwkwkwkwk.... (maksa.com)...
termasuk didalemnya, ane ogah dengan mobil yang terlalu banyak campur tangan perangkat komputer dibanding ketrampila pengemudi itu sendiri...

xixixixi....

No offense yaa buat penggemar en penikmat piranti2 elektronik di mobil skrg..
:big_peace:
Samaaaaaaaa om! Sama.

Saya paling pol sukanya teknologi di mobil y AC, audio, ma PS/PW.. Tiga pertama yang utama, PW mah bodo amat. Saya gak suka mobil canggih2. Kalo bisa boil karbu, biar bisa utak-atik hanya pake obeng.

Sonar? hanya bikin feeling kita ilang.
Retractable mirror? halah, males banget sih ngelipat spion?
Dll dll yang sifatnya terlalu memudahkan dan memanjakan. Yang tinggal pencet2 tombol.

Kalo ABS EBD okelah demi safety.

Kliatan kan dari mobil incaran saya: CJ/XJ, FJ, Mustang.
Motor saya juga merk jebot lelet under technology (kata anak2 Jap's): Harley-Dav.
Ini semua SAYA loh, gak usah didebat karena memang bukan bahan debat. Personal taste aja, sukanya emang grobak ma motor tipe jebot. Karena keterpaksaan aja skarang pake grobak 'normal' bukan grobak antik.
Das Beste oder nichts.