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@om Doq, perna rasanya pada saat msh d maintenance beres, pas service 80 k, stlh itu tdk perna, sy blm nemu tempat yg sreg buat ubeg2 engine, jd plg cuma tune up biasa geto, Apakah ad rekomen dr warga SM basic sby, tentunya selain GUT(krn terlalu ruame d sana tuh).
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kapsul 97 wrote:@all : iya nich, kayaknya sekarnag terpikir wat ganti filter udara aja dulu kali ya + sama busi, cuma jangan yang ampe iridium juga dulu, jadi mau lihat perubahan nya kayak apa. jujur sebenarnya pengennya tenaga nya juga yang ga wah wah banget juga sich.

N bener kata Oom doq, emang rada males kalu yang upgrade nya dah ngerobah dari standard macem PnP tadi ... ^_^

kalu filter udara JFC or K&N, nah sebenarnya model filter udara kayak gini kalu dah kotor bisa bersihin sendiri kan ya? maksudnya ga perlu ganti baru lagi gitu kalu kotor seperti saringan udara yang biasa?

untuk busi selain yang iridium, yang dibawah nya ada rekomendasi ora ya ? misal BOSCH, bagus kaga tuch?
yo wis...kalo gt menu yg layak dicoba ; air filter replacement + busi + header.....krn kalo mau dibalikin standar tinggal dicopot n dipasang lg yg aslinya, gak ngerobah internal mesin.

jangan lupa "hidangan penutup"-nya seting karbu. Seting karbu bukan berarti pasti dibikin lbh boros lho, tapi untuk meriset ukuran spuyer yg lbh sesuai dng kondisi mesin aktual supaya AFR nya bs lbh tepat, termasuk pengaturan idle speed, idle up speed dll. Kalo udah dapet setingan tepat maka performa bs membaik dng konsumsi bbm yg hampir sama dng kondisi standar.

BOSCH itu hanya sebuah merek busi, bagus/cocok nggaknya tergantung apakah tipe yg kita pilih itu ekivalen atau tidak dng busi yg direkomendasi untuk mesin kijang (Denso W16EXU/W20EXU). Busi iridium dibuat supaya lifetimenya lbh panjang dibanding busi konvensional, benefitnya ; kondisi elektroda & gap nya lbh stabil, sehingga percikan apinya (spark) lbh konsisten.

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jalu wrote:
kapsul 97 wrote:@all : iya nich, kayaknya sekarnag terpikir wat ganti filter udara aja dulu kali ya + sama busi, cuma jangan yang ampe iridium juga dulu, jadi mau lihat perubahan nya kayak apa. jujur sebenarnya pengennya tenaga nya juga yang ga wah wah banget juga sich.

N bener kata Oom doq, emang rada males kalu yang upgrade nya dah ngerobah dari standard macem PnP tadi ... ^_^

kalu filter udara JFC or K&N, nah sebenarnya model filter udara kayak gini kalu dah kotor bisa bersihin sendiri kan ya? maksudnya ga perlu ganti baru lagi gitu kalu kotor seperti saringan udara yang biasa?

untuk busi selain yang iridium, yang dibawah nya ada rekomendasi ora ya ? misal BOSCH, bagus kaga tuch?
yo wis...kalo gt menu yg layak dicoba ; air filter replacement + busi + header.....krn kalo mau dibalikin standar tinggal dicopot n dipasang lg yg aslinya, gak ngerobah internal mesin.

jangan lupa "hidangan penutup"-nya seting karbu. Seting karbu bukan berarti pasti dibikin lbh boros lho, tapi untuk meriset ukuran spuyer yg lbh sesuai dng kondisi mesin aktual supaya AFR nya bs lbh tepat, termasuk pengaturan idle speed, idle up speed dll. Kalo udah dapet setingan tepat maka performa bs membaik dng konsumsi bbm yg hampir sama dng kondisi standar.

BOSCH itu hanya sebuah merek busi, bagus/cocok nggaknya tergantung apakah tipe yg kita pilih itu ekivalen atau tidak dng busi yg direkomendasi untuk mesin kijang (Denso W16EXU/W20EXU). Busi iridium dibuat supaya lifetimenya lbh panjang dibanding busi konvensional, benefitnya ; kondisi elektroda & gap nya lbh stabil, sehingga percikan apinya (spark) lbh konsisten.

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oh iya, satu lagi Kakak Jalu, emang pernah denger n tau juga sebenarnya tingkat kerapatan/gap kepala busi juga menentukan bukan untuk performa mesin ..


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bener.. kerapatan itu sangat penting.. jadi harus pandai2 ngukur celah.. :big_weee:
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hmmm.... masalah kerapatan kayaknya dulu pernah dibahas seru di tret sebelah nich ... :big_smoking:

oh iyaaaaaaaaaaa ... waktu itu lagi ngebahas Atoz 170km/h .... :big_weee:

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gi cari toko yang jual JFC di Bekasi, ada tau ga ya ????

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bisa kaga tidur nich gw kalu ampe hari minggu lom keganti nich AF ...

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wiw kenceng amat atoz bisa ampe segitu...
coba aja maen ke modkom bos, disana ada distributor JFC kan?
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ato bole jg coba kontek oom kupi, rasanya beliau masih ada open AF apexi yg g jadi d pake tuh
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KIOS3R wrote:wiw kenceng amat atoz bisa ampe segitu...
coba aja maen ke modkom bos, disana ada distributor JFC kan?
memang betul kok.... :e-whistle:

tapi kata yg punya, habis ngebut segitu, esoknya turun mesin :mrgreen: ada tuh tridnya, tapi entah dimana....


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ada kok tretnya.....lha wong saya ikut nimbrung disitu.... :mrgreen:
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imsus2c wrote: tapi kata yg punya, habis ngebut segitu, esoknya turun mesin :mrgreen:
hoo,,, klo saya kebalik,, turun mesin dulu baru lebih kenceng,,, sbelon turun mesin dari 140 udh agak boyo buat ke 180,, untung cipularang panjangnya gila gilaan :big_peace:
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Kakak, agan, Oom, Pa'De ...

mau tanya lagi, kalu busi standard Kijang Kapsul Karbu itu kan Denso W16EX-U

naahh, rencana mau ganti sama yang kelas Platinum aja dah biar ga ketinggian kasta dulu sambil lihat epeknya kayak apa. rencananya mau ganti NGK Platnum BPR 5EGP ...

yang mau ditanyakan : dengan tipe NGK itu, kira-kira ada masalah ga ya? maksudnya di kode businya itu kan ada huruf 'R', apa itu berarti ada resistansi nya? secara di busi standard nya kaga ada gan, gmana ya? CMIIW

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mesin yag biasanya pake busi non resistant ga masalah pake busi berresistor, tp jangan kebalik,, takut malah jebol tuh mesin.
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Frequently Asked Questions

Q: When should I use a resistor spark plug?

A: NGK "R" or resistor spark plugs use a 5k ohm ceramic resistor in the spark plug to suppress ignition noise generated during sparking.

NGK strongly recommends using resistor spark plugs in any vehicle that uses on-board computer systems to monitor or control engine performance. This is because resistor spark plugs reduce electromagnetic interference with on-board electronics.

They are also recommended on any vehicle that has other on-board electronic systems such as engine-management computers, two-way radios, GPS systems, depth finders or whenever recommended by the manufacturer.

In fact, using a non-resistor plug in certain applications can actually cause the engine to suffer undesirable side effects such as an erratic idle, high-rpm misfire, engine run-on, power drop off at certain rpm levels and abnormal combustion.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinfo/s ... sistor.asp
AFAIK mesin dng busi non resistor lalu pake busi resistor gak masalah.CMIIW
meski mereknya berbeda, yg penting busi tsb msh ekivalen

seinget saya sih, heat range "16" Denso, itu ekivalen dng "6" NGK,
sedangkan heat range "20" Denso, itu ekivalen dng "5" NGK

busi std kijang itu Denso W16EXU atau W20EXU, jadi :
Denso W16EXU<------->NGK BP6ES
Denso W20EXU<------->NGK BP5ES<--???-->NGK BPR5EGP

mungkin m4rio bs bantu mas kapsul krn doi punya comparison table denso vs ngk :D


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jalu wrote:
Frequently Asked Questions

Q: When should I use a resistor spark plug?

A: NGK "R" or resistor spark plugs use a 5k ohm ceramic resistor in the spark plug to suppress ignition noise generated during sparking.

NGK strongly recommends using resistor spark plugs in any vehicle that uses on-board computer systems to monitor or control engine performance. This is because resistor spark plugs reduce electromagnetic interference with on-board electronics.

They are also recommended on any vehicle that has other on-board electronic systems such as engine-management computers, two-way radios, GPS systems, depth finders or whenever recommended by the manufacturer.

In fact, using a non-resistor plug in certain applications can actually cause the engine to suffer undesirable side effects such as an erratic idle, high-rpm misfire, engine run-on, power drop off at certain rpm levels and abnormal combustion.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinfo/s ... sistor.asp
AFAIK mesin dng busi non resistor lalu pake busi resistor gak masalah.CMIIW
meski mereknya berbeda, yg penting busi tsb msh ekivalen

seinget saya sih, heat range "16" Denso, itu ekivalen dng "6" NGK,
sedangkan heat range "20" Denso, itu ekivalen dng "5" NGK

busi std kijang itu Denso W16EXU atau W20EXU, jadi :
Denso W16EXU<------->NGK BP6ES
Denso W20EXU<------->NGK BP5ES<--???-->NGK BPR5EGP

mungkin m4rio bs bantu mas kapsul krn doi punya comparison table denso vs ngk :D


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kalu lihat di web nya NGK untuk kijang memang rekomen yang tipe BPR 5EGP Oom Jalu ..

jadi ceritanya kemarin cari tuh busi di komplek perbengkelan dan tioko spare part di bekasi, ga nemu tuh barang, akrhinya coba busi BOSCH Power 4 yang punya 4 kaki .. secara performa memang adalah seikit perbedaan walupun ga tau apa itu karena sugesti atau memng sebenarnya dah waktunya ganti busi baru, tapi yang pasti tidak signifikan juga sich .. jadis ekarang pengen coba pesen JFC dulu sama Oom Digital, pengen tahu perubahan nya seperti apa nich ..
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kalo ada alat pengukur celah busi, mungkin mas kapsul bs iseng2 eksperimen atur celahnya....dr 0.7mm - 1mm, nanti akan terasa yg mana yg lbh pas untuk busi BOSCH ini. Saya pribadi memang selalu eksperimen begitu khusus untuk busi2 merek lain diluar standarnya
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jalu wrote:kalo ada alat pengukur celah busi, mungkin mas kapsul bs iseng2 eksperimen atur celahnya....dr 0.7mm - 1mm, nanti akan terasa yg mana yg lbh pas untuk busi BOSCH ini. Saya pribadi memang selalu eksperimen begitu khusus untuk busi2 merek lain diluar standarnya
memang yang pernah en denger sih gitu ya Kak, apapun businya (bukan bicara lifetime nya ya) yang penting jarak/gap nya itu harus maksimal.

untuk 0.7mm - 1mm itu celah ideal nya kah ??? :ungg:
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maksudnya ya dicoba satu persatu ukuran 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, sampe 1mm. untuk mencari dicelah berapa yg kerasa lbh pas untuk busi tsb di mesin kita. :D. Sepengalaman saya pengapian yg msh pake distrbutor dng koil dll msh standar itu bisa sih sampe 1.2mm....tapi kalo malem hari (lampu2 nyala) mesin sering mberebet.....

sekedar berbagi...dulu di kijang saya pernah coba bosch platinum dan splitfire. beli langsung pasang dan hasilnya malah kagak enak (biasanya mesin kalo hbs ganti busi meski standar itu kerasa lbh segar performanya). AKhirnya gapnya saya utak atik, dapet deh stelan gap bosch platinum di 0.9mm, splitfire di 1mm. :e-dance:
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waduuh, cuma repot juga ya kalu musti ke bengkel nyoba2 gitu, enak nya bongkar sendiri n punya 'penggarisan' wat ngukur nya ..

*apa ya nama penggarisan nya? dulu pernah tua namanya tuh* :ungg:
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beli aja feeler gauge atau gap adjuster/tester di toko onderdil atau toko perkakas bengkel. gak mahal kok.
lagian mesin kijang kan simpel, enak untuk dikulik2....anggap aja jadi hiburan santai digarasi sendiri...
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jalu wrote:beli aja feeler gauge atau gap adjuster/tester di toko onderdil atau toko perkakas bengkel. gak mahal kok.
lagian mesin kijang kan simpel, enak untuk dikulik2....anggap aja jadi hiburan santai digarasi sendiri...
Maksudnya barang seperti gambar dibawah ini Oom ? itukan yang biasa dipake wat nyetel klep ya ...
btw nich BOSCH kan kaki nya 4, bisa masuk gitu pake feeler gauge itu ? ada informasi harga kira-kira berapakah ?
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jalu wrote:maksudnya ya dicoba satu persatu ukuran 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, sampe 1mm. untuk mencari dicelah berapa yg kerasa lbh pas untuk busi tsb di mesin kita. :D. Sepengalaman saya pengapian yg msh pake distrbutor dng koil dll msh standar itu bisa sih sampe 1.2mm....tapi kalo malem hari (lampu2 nyala) mesin sering mberebet.....

sekedar berbagi...dulu di kijang saya pernah coba bosch platinum dan splitfire. beli langsung pasang dan hasilnya malah kagak enak (biasanya mesin kalo hbs ganti busi meski standar itu kerasa lbh segar performanya). AKhirnya gapnya saya utak atik, dapet deh stelan gap bosch platinum di 0.9mm, splitfire di 1mm. :e-dance:
Oom Jalu, biasanya setelah di stel gap seberapa signifikan tenaga yang dihasilkan dibandingkan dengan ganti busi standard bawaan mobil nya ?
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signifikan sih nggak, tapi terasa tarikannya lbh enteng....
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