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gmx wrote:Hihihihi, gw mantau aja deh..
yang punya pajero harap membantu!!
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saya kan bukan offroader bos, pajero juga bukan mobil offroad, apalagi mobil kompetisi..
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jd coilover n shock bypass untk yg advanced ya.,dulu jalan d trans kalteng ajrut2an pake mubil dinas (taft) disusul cherokee nampak smooth bgt, begitu nyoba punya temen emang nyaman euy tenaga jg uedan pisan tp d dlm aga sempit ya,kalo pajero blm pnh nyoba tp nampak lega n nyaman.,
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IMHO...
FJ40 sejatinya memang mobil offroad yg dikompromikan untuk penggunaan aspal. Sementara escape adalah mobil aspal yg dikompromikan utk penggunaan offroad.
Konseksuensinya...FJ jelas gak akan sehebat escape dijalan aspal, demikian jg escape gak akan sehebat Fj di trek offroad.

Mungkin bisa aja escape dibikin setangguh FJ di trek offroad, tapi biayanya mungkin ga worth it lg. Lain hal kalo anda memang maniak escape dan budget bukan sesuatu yg perlu dipermasahkan.
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@billy
Apa bener mesin cherokee bisa diturunin kompresinya biar bisa minum premium dan ecu nya diremap biar lebih irit?
Kepikiran pengen punya cherokee tapi takut kalo kudu minum pertamax soalnya cherokee mau diplot buat operasional di perkebunan.
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egon wrote:jd coilover n shock bypass untk yg advanced ya.,dulu jalan d trans kalteng ajrut2an pake mubil dinas (taft) disusul cherokee nampak smooth bgt, begitu nyoba punya temen emang nyaman euy tenaga jg uedan pisan tp d dlm aga sempit ya,kalo pajero blm pnh nyoba tp nampak lega n nyaman.,
Yup bisa bilang gtu bro dan g semua orng butuh hehe... istilahnya klw uda demen dpke loncat bru deh kerasa fungsinya hehe

Yup sempit om... gtw bule2 naik xj gmn padahal orng bule kan lebih gede hehe...klw yg lega coba aja grandcherokee om haha...

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ak4ng wrote:
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ak4ng wrote:kalo 4x4nya escape gimana????????
cuma di pencet di dahboard ada tombol 4wdnya,,
itu bwat masuk ke partime om... escape normalnya fulltime.... atw istilah lainnya ngunci center differential...

btw "?????????" bnyk amettt hahaha

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tapi kenapa jarang ya escape turun ke kompetisi??????
apakah kurang sakti dibanding fj 40??????
Silahkan anda coba memulainya om... mungkin aja escape bisa cocok d speed dgn fissnya.. karna blm ada yg nyoba y mana tw haha cuma bisa berasumsi ini itu aja..

Pernah suatu waktu ngobrol dgn seseorang yg uda lama main di dunia jeep. Dulu yg paling d gandrungi jeep willys hartop aja blm dijual.. nah beberapa waktu kemudian hartop masuk dan waktu itu blm bnyk yg percaya mengguna kanya oprut temen gw punya dan malah di pandang sebelah mata.. karna saat itu yg dianggap legend adalah willys hehe

Tp liat skrng siapa yg ngeraguin durability hartop?hehe semuanya perlu pembuktian dan battle proofing dulu..

Kasus yg sama skrng berulang d xj, dulu sih sapa yg tega pke balap,di anggapnya jeep kota karna ngeliat monokonya nah skrang uda terbukti battle profing dmn2 orng ngebangun xj hehehe...

Skrng escape? Who knows sebelm ada yg berani coba haha.. dan benar sekali kt om cokino biayany pasti tdk murah dan karna wacananya "mencoba"siap2 aja klw ternyata gagal. Terus terang klw ituoprut adventure escape tdk punya pluang tp klw speed pleuangny cukup besar hehe

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kalu Nissan Terano gmana kawan-kawan ? :ungg:
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Jimny juga dulu dibuang2, sekarang disayang2..
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cokino wrote:@billy
Apa bener mesin cherokee bisa diturunin kompresinya biar bisa minum premium dan ecu nya diremap biar lebih irit?
Kepikiran pengen punya cherokee tapi takut kalo kudu minum pertamax soalnya cherokee mau diplot buat operasional di perkebunan.
Bisa om xj country sya jg uda d decompresi sehingga selalu pke premium hampir g pernah pertamax dan g ngelitik..ecu g diapa-apain om hasilya malah lebih kenceng dri std walau pke pertamax... nanjak jg g panas dan heran bisa jauh ninggalin xj temen yg std tp minum pertamax. Saat ngembat nanjak..gtw gmn bisa gtu oprekan temen gw hehe

Oyah konon klw limited sebenernya g perlu pke pertamax karna kompresi kurand dri 9:1 country yg uda@perlu pertamax. Tp akhir2 ntah kualitas premium makin jelek jd bnyk limited yg ngeltik... jd deh bnyk yg d dekompresi gini..

Klw irit sih... susah y om sngt bergantung bejekan kaki kanan...hehe memang ada improvisasi tp jgn harap jd seirit diesel atw mbl bercc kecil hehe..

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gmx wrote:Jimny juga dulu dibuang2, sekarang disayang2..
Iya om miris liat jimun... yg mulusss makin jarang bnyk d buru d jadiin bahan... ckck

Xj mt jg sama jaraang..... berakhir d arena semua..

Tinggal pajero nih ... sok ramein atuh om... hehe mumpung event speed oprut lg in cocok dgn spek pajero haha

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@billy
Cara dekompresi itu gimana ?

Mungkin bbm di p.jawa lebih bagus dari sumatera, soalnya pajero saya make premium kudu di mundurin pengapiannya kalo ga mau ngelitik padahal kompresi pajero 1:8,5 (?).

Berarti remap ecu itu cman isu aja ya ?
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billyd1773dz wrote:
gmx wrote:Jimny juga dulu dibuang2, sekarang disayang2..
Iya om miris liat jimun... yg mulusss makin jarang bnyk d buru d jadiin bahan... ckck

Xj mt jg sama jaraang..... berakhir d arena semua..

Tinggal pajero nih ... sok ramein atuh om... hehe mumpung event speed oprut lg in cocok dgn spek pajero haha

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kalo speed off road di padang pasir sih, pajero bisa unggul... tapi kalo di lumpur? hm... perlu kita coba nih di pajero om gmx vs rocky om billy... :ngacir:
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Pajero itu bukan mobil offroad, pajero itu mobil kondangan Bil
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Rocky ane jg mbl k kampus gan....


Btw speed oprut di indo skrng mayoritas tanah campur pasir om plekk mirip rally dah... dan tdk di sengaja bikin kubangan kec klw ujan hehe..
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kalo cherokee a/t diganti jadi m/t bisa ga????????????
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kalo cherokee dgn mesin tdci evie maknyus kayanya ya sama2 mesin VM motori kaya xj diesel kan ya?tp biaya nge-swap nya jg maknyus..
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Wah bro egon satu pikiran ma gw...
Tadinya gw jg ada pikiran gitu, kayaknya xj mantep jg dikasi tdci apalagi yg 3 liter gvt punya ranger. Std aja udah 150 hp dan 380 nm apalagi kalo di kasi pigiback...tembus 200 hp dan 450 nm. Jgn2 4 liter aseli xj bisa diasepin tuh.
Tapi kayaknya ribet bro kalo pake mesin tdci secara trnsfer tdci jatuhnya di kanan dan xj bonggol gardan ada di kiri kecuali ganti gardan toyota bonggol kanan tapi biaya ya jadi bengkak.
Cocoknya kasi mesin 4d56t kali ya...tapi sayang gearbox strada ringkih.
Atau bro bily tau tempat ngawinin tdci dengan aw4 xj ?
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mobil impian bgt kl xj dkasi tdci aga irit pula, kalo si strada aga gmana gt ya krn pernah pake strada pak manager timing nya putus d tengah hutan euy ato emang krn disiksa d rawa terus ya..hehe
158ps,380nm dlm bodi xj..mantep
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cokino wrote:@billy
Cara dekompresi itu gimana ?

Mungkin bbm di p.jawa lebih bagus dari sumatera, soalnya pajero saya make premium kudu di mundurin pengapiannya kalo ga mau ngelitik padahal kompresi pajero 1:8,5 (?).

Berarti remap ecu itu cman isu aja ya ?
klw teknisnya sya kurang tw om.. pastinya di bongkar mesinnya
akhir akhir ini juga d jawa kualitas premiumnya makin parah aja... uda gtu ada isu soal larangan pke premium lg.. ckck ujung2nya tetep beralih ke pertamax haha...

klw ECU awalnya pendapat sya pribadi akan lebih baik klw di seting ulang,tp beberapa kli sya ngobrol2 dgn temen yg ngoprek XJ sya, rada rame jg soal perlu ndanya ngeganti/remap ECU aftermarket hehe... dia sih tetep bilang tdk perlu sampai di tambah turbo/sc baru perlu ganti ecu itu pun klw tekanan tinggi dan jeroannya uda banyak di d sesuaikan.. awalnya aga kurang percaya.. tp bgtu beres di coba.. yahh ternyata memang kebukti bener performa meningkat cukup signifikan dan cukup premium tampa ngoprek ECU..

sangat mungkin tuner lain berpendapat lain yah...
lain perguruan lain ilmunya haha....
sebenernya ini sih aliran menekan budget modifikasi haha... maksimalin yg ada beli yang penting aja haha...
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ak4ng wrote:kalo cherokee a/t diganti jadi m/t bisa ga????????????
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egon wrote:kalo cherokee dgn mesin tdci evie maknyus kayanya ya sama2 mesin VM motori kaya xj diesel kan ya?tp biaya nge-swap nya jg maknyus..
klw g salah TDCi bukan VM motori deh om?
cokino wrote:Wah bro egon satu pikiran ma gw...
Tadinya gw jg ada pikiran gitu, kayaknya xj mantep jg dikasi tdci apalagi yg 3 liter gvt punya ranger. Std aja udah 150 hp dan 380 nm apalagi kalo di kasi pigiback...tembus 200 hp dan 450 nm. Jgn2 4 liter aseli xj bisa diasepin tuh.
Tapi kayaknya ribet bro kalo pake mesin tdci secara trnsfer tdci jatuhnya di kanan dan xj bonggol gardan ada di kiri kecuali ganti gardan toyota bonggol kanan tapi biaya ya jadi bengkak.
Cocoknya kasi mesin 4d56t kali ya...tapi sayang gearbox strada ringkih.
Atau bro bily tau tempat ngawinin tdci dengan aw4 xj ?
hehe harga engine TDCi WE-C 3ltr nya brp yah..... feeling ane seharga cherokee haha... blm ongkos masang dan ongkos "pusingnya" hehe

pernah bawa yang TDCi 2.5ltr MT imho powernya biasa aja yah.... responsenya telat memang klw di bejek trus biar kan turbonya teriak jadi kenceng, tapi klw d suruh ngedadak-dadak jauh deh sama 4.0 HO... feeling sya sih karna drive by wirenya.. bukan pke kabel kaya mesin konvensional xj..

klw mw sih kya CJ ade sy, pke 1KZ-TE bisa tuh di kawini ke AW4.... kebetulan tu CJ isinya gardan transmisi segala macem Cherokee semua.. jadi kurang lebih ribetnya sama dgn masang 1kZ-TE ke cherokee paling klw di cherokee ketambahan sempitnya ruang mesin yah...

enaknya 1KZ-TE (engine prado)basicnya sama dgn 1KD-FTV Hilux bedanya non commonrail jd lebih tahan solar,non intercooler. SOHC,turbo biasa dan strokenya rada beda klw g salah dan sudah pke ECU... nah karna sudah pke ECU tetep bisa di pasang piggyback...

speknya standar 130ps 300Nm yang versi intercooler 145ps 343Nm.. klw sya coba sih klw di ajak nanjak g beda dgn XJ tarikannya malah terasa lebih ngisi torsinya. enginenya lebih responsif di banding 2.5ltr TDCi karna masih pke kabel.. tp klw di jalan lurus datar, memang g sekenceng XJ hehe... rada telat bisa juga power loss dri transmisi nih hehe transmisinya rada bolot haha..

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egon wrote:mobil impian bgt kl xj dkasi tdci aga irit pula, kalo si strada aga gmana gt ya krn pernah pake strada pak manager timing nya putus d tengah hutan euy ato emang krn disiksa d rawa terus ya..hehe
158ps,380nm dlm bodi xj..mantep
158ps 380 Nm ditambah lg yang terpenting pke solar dan bisa 1:10 hahaha.... di pake terus tu XJ keliling indonesiaa klw ngirit gtu.. hehehe

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billyd1773dz wrote:
ak4ng wrote:kalo cherokee a/t diganti jadi m/t bisa ga????????????
Enak AT gannnn......!!!!!!!
yang a/t kalo mogok ga bisa di dorong buat nyalain mesin!!!
secara kalo punya ni boil cuma dipake weekend aja,, gituloh
jadi,, bisa ga???
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