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good review bro GTR that's why I"am hondalover (potential race engine)..xixixixi 

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Tambahan bacaan kalo mau liat situs lengkapnyaGTR wrote:Teknologi mesin Jazz itu unik, mesin untuk efisiensi tinggi sekaligus juga seolah mesin mobil sport yg disunat, yet reliable..
Walaupun konfigurasi seperti mesin n/a Jazz ini umumnya menghasilkan mesin di teritori pakem "low-rpm, fuel economy, & low emissions oriented" diantaranya:
Long-stroke,
Narrow-angle head,
SOHC,
Integrated manifold head (No-more separate Header), etc... etc..,
bahkan basis ini dipakai untuk mesin Hybrid (CRZ).. yah recomended oli setipis 0W-xx
Sekarang seems the tables are turns, mesin tetep tembus juga teritori karakter hi-power & Hi-rpm & truly potensial,
sepotensial dibikin Race Engine by HPD (Honda Performance Development) di openwheeler SCCA Formula F Series Race Engine :Could be the weirdest & only; Long-stroke Narrow-head N/A race engine, sayang ga ada data & output versi race ini...The first conversion kit offered will be for the venerable Swift DB-1. This complete, race-ready package will sell for $11,750. It will include a base L15A7 engine, FF engine conversion kit (including intake, exhaust, dry sump, restrictor plate and ECU), and a bolt-in DB-1 chassis conversion kit, to permit installation of the engine without welding or other major modifications.
please also note the weird use of INTEGRATED-HEAD EXHAUST MANIFOLD in n/a race engines below.... (*which ussually using separate head with anaconda header piping, in conventional way*)
Ga heran ga bakal bisa irit2 amat di Hybrid Insight, & di versi CRZ bakalan, kalo perkiraan saya bener.
Output stock Jazz "cuma di-set" @120ps pun keliatannya "ringan"; for emissions, matic reliability & Fuel Consumption sake?
Jazz mahal? belum tentu, khususnya dari engineering mesin & transmisi.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca ... formula-f/
Ayo2 siapa yang mau pasang pertama kali di njezznya xixixixi...Bakal terbang kali yaa tuh njezz...

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wah, jadi seperti itu ya cara kerjanya..berarti berbeda dengan hearder yang biasanya ya..wah-wah tekhnologinya cangih euy..btw thk's bro GTR atas sharenya..
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karena sohc all new honda jazz mempunyai 120ps, di tambah resonator layaknya angin diubah sehingga mempercepat putaran(layaknya angin tornado)(angin dirubah menjadi tenaga), sehingga pada top speed nya pasti kencang jazz,,sedangkan yang new jazz saja saya coba, bisa tembus 170,,masih blm mentok tuh gas,masih ada sedikit,,apalagi yang all newjazz, mgkin bsa 180an keatas..abrof wrote:mo minta penjelasan kenapa mesin dohc (yaris/vios) bisa kalah sama sohc (New Jazz).....ECU sama2 bagus Honda pake Mugen...Toyota pake TOM'S....
bahkan kayaknya toyota menyerah minta pengurangan berat mobil 40 kg......atau toyota malas nge-tune??
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umm...
bukannya tiap mobil uda ada resonatornya oom otong?
trus maksudnya merubah angin jd tenaga tu ky gmana ya?
mohon pencerahannya

bukannya tiap mobil uda ada resonatornya oom otong?

trus maksudnya merubah angin jd tenaga tu ky gmana ya?
mohon pencerahannya


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Ah ane mah lebih seneng mesin standar aja deh (bukan twin turbo, supercharged, kompressor, atau apa istilahnya itu),
kayak punyanya G37 Sedan (cuma 328 hp dr mesin standar 3.7L)
kayak punyanya G37 Sedan (cuma 328 hp dr mesin standar 3.7L)

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^^
jiaaaaah......
klo gtu mah sy jg mao dah mobil standar porsche 911 gt standar dar......

jiaaaaah......
klo gtu mah sy jg mao dah mobil standar porsche 911 gt standar dar......


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Kalau aku minta Eurofighter aja deh. Itu tuh yg drag race sama Veyronnya Richard Hammond
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Pernah baca masalahnya sebenarnya bukan soal mesin, tapi transmisi. Kalo nggak salah impo salah satu yg nggak boleh di sentuh/modif itu transmisi. Nah transmisi yaris itu nggak pas buat racing. Pernah baca sekilas berita yg kira2 judulnya "Tim Yaris pusing soal final gear". Karena yg boleh diotak atik itu cuman final gear. Mengganti final gear berarti mengubah semua karakter dari gigi 1 sampe 5.Mr otoamtsiong wrote:karena sohc all new honda jazz mempunyai 120ps, di tambah resonator layaknya angin diubah sehingga mempercepat putaran(layaknya angin tornado)(angin dirubah menjadi tenaga), sehingga pada top speed nya pasti kencang jazz,,sedangkan yang new jazz saja saya coba, bisa tembus 170,,masih blm mentok tuh gas,masih ada sedikit,,apalagi yang all newjazz, mgkin bsa 180an keatas..abrof wrote:mo minta penjelasan kenapa mesin dohc (yaris/vios) bisa kalah sama sohc (New Jazz).....ECU sama2 bagus Honda pake Mugen...Toyota pake TOM'S....
bahkan kayaknya toyota menyerah minta pengurangan berat mobil 40 kg......atau toyota malas nge-tune??
eeeh.. sebelumnya udah ada yg nyinggung ini belum ya. Soale gw cuman baca hal terakhir...


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-S0EDK22g
Nambahin nih..Ga kebayang ntar mesin L15A bisa ngasepin ford GT (power to weight ratio talk).. he2
Nambahin nih..Ga kebayang ntar mesin L15A bisa ngasepin ford GT (power to weight ratio talk).. he2

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Oiya bro ane udah baca ratio gear jazz paling pas buat sirkuit sentul..Ditikungan keberapa gtu jazz bisa pake gigi 2 jadi lebih narik lha di yaris mesti pake gigi 3 tentu rpm lebih rendah tarikan kurang..Selain itu final gear yaris cepet bikin mesin teriak (alias ratio kasar bikin mesin cepet nyentuh redline)..Ane baca dimana lupa tapi yg komen pembalap sentul kok ane ga ngasaluch wrote:Pernah baca masalahnya sebenarnya bukan soal mesin, tapi transmisi. Kalo nggak salah impo salah satu yg nggak boleh di sentuh/modif itu transmisi. Nah transmisi yaris itu nggak pas buat racing. Pernah baca sekilas berita yg kira2 judulnya "Tim Yaris pusing soal final gear". Karena yg boleh diotak atik itu cuman final gear. Mengganti final gear berarti mengubah semua karakter dari gigi 1 sampe 5.Mr otoamtsiong wrote:karena sohc all new honda jazz mempunyai 120ps, di tambah resonator layaknya angin diubah sehingga mempercepat putaran(layaknya angin tornado)(angin dirubah menjadi tenaga), sehingga pada top speed nya pasti kencang jazz,,sedangkan yang new jazz saja saya coba, bisa tembus 170,,masih blm mentok tuh gas,masih ada sedikit,,apalagi yang all newjazz, mgkin bsa 180an keatas..abrof wrote:mo minta penjelasan kenapa mesin dohc (yaris/vios) bisa kalah sama sohc (New Jazz).....ECU sama2 bagus Honda pake Mugen...Toyota pake TOM'S....
bahkan kayaknya toyota menyerah minta pengurangan berat mobil 40 kg......atau toyota malas nge-tune??
eeeh.. sebelumnya udah ada yg nyinggung ini belum ya. Soale gw cuman baca hal terakhir...![]()


Menurut ane emang mesin L15A ini potensial bgt kok..bisa dilihat dari sinihttp://www.otomotifnet.com/otoweb/index.php?te ... 27..Dengan perubahan yg lebih sedikit udah bisa naikkin power lebih banyak..Ga kebayang powernya kalo tuh njezz ditambahin pake piggy back,port&polished,naik kompresi..dll
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Wakk bro.. klo 911 ini mah tmen sepermainan Enzo, Gallardo, dkk, mksud ane mobil sedan yg dibwh US$40.000, coba cari mobil dg mesin standar 3.7L yg bs blow 328hp, setau ane seh CX-9 aja cuma nyembur 277hp (mngkin krn bobot yg lbh gede kali ya).doq wrote:^^
jiaaaaah......
klo gtu mah sy jg mao dah mobil standar porsche 911 gt standar dar......![]()
Kalo yg ini ane ga bs comment.. standar komparasinya bgmna, mungkin Veyron gak mau lg dikelaskan sbg supercar, tp superjet.asudarsono wrote:Kalau aku minta Eurofighter aja deh. Itu tuh yg drag race sama Veyronnya Richard Hammond
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Gambar dan penjelasannya ada juga disini http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/LSERIESG2/index.htmlGTR wrote:bukan ga ada, tapi baru belakangan, mulai line-up mesin SOHC yg >2007 / level euro-4.
semua mesin sebelumnya justru konvensional aja, pake "header" (head dan manifold terpisah).
Seri2 mesin honda belakangan dibikin integrated head-manifold, teorinya sih nyunat tenaga yet bakal bikin susah buat di-oprek2;
tapi ini demi level emisi ke tingkat lebih tinggi dgn jalan meningkatkan efektifitas kerja CC.
Sedangkan kerja CC makin efektif jika CC dilalui suhu exhaust yg masih relatif tinggi.
Manifold integrated head => memperpendek jarak ke CC level pertama => suhu exhaust melewati CC lebih tinggi => kerja CC lebih efektif menyaring gas buang.
baru kemudian "disaring" lagi melalui CC level 2 di posisi konvensional.
Oiya disitu dijelasin "replaced by a full time 16 valve mild and hot-cam implementation"..Apa mesin ini udah full 16 valve bukan VTEC banci??
Tapi kalo ane baca nih mesin bener2 jelmaan D15B..Dari sini... "The new 1.5l L15A SOHC i-VTEC delivers superior fuel economy combined with good torque throughout the rpm range Using the 'power SOHC VTEC' technology first used on the D15B engines of the 5th generation (1991-1995) Honda Civics"..
Tapi kenapa kok powernya cuma 120ps ga bisa nyaingi D15B soalnya seperti kata bro GTR..Pake CC (catalic converter) dua pula


So ini mesin bukan VTEC banci..Race engine nih..CMIIW (cz baca diforum2 lain banyak bilang mesin ini masih "VTEC banci:

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mesin honda 1500cc "jadul", tapi fenomenal
RA168E, 1500cc turbo 685 ps,hehehe

referensi : http://www.zzw30.com/HondaRA168EEngine.pdf
RA168E, 1500cc turbo 685 ps,hehehe

referensi : http://www.zzw30.com/HondaRA168EEngine.pdf
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@jalu: seri RA.. kyanya mesin F1 yaa bang?
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iya itu mesin F1 nes...
"It took Japan 40 years to become a great automotive nation. It took South Korea 20 years. I think it will take China as little as
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
"HP sells cars, Torque wins races." ~ Carroll Shelby
10 to 15 years." ~ Giorgetto Giugiaro
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ini mah jawaranya F1 tahun 70-80-an... jangan dibandingin lah..jalu wrote:iya itu mesin F1 nes...

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tapi kan sama2 honda 1500cc......maskopat wrote:ini mah jawaranya F1 tahun 70-80-an... jangan dibandingin lah..jalu wrote:iya itu mesin F1 nes...


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Weh.. Seru yah ANJ ini.. Jadi makin pengen.. Btw, masak larinya cuma 180an? Aerio gw, yg pake mesin swift m15a loyo itu, masih sanggup nyaris 180kpj di redline gear 4... Gear 5 pernah sampe 190kpj n blom sampe redline.. Semuanya di tol jorr yg bumpy n berliku2... Mmmm.. Apa dari faktor yg ngegasnya aja kali yah?
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200km/h bisa kok bro..soalnya rasio giginya ANJ ini agak kasar (100km/h di rpm 3ribu lebih dikit) jadi ni mobil buat sprint2 mantabs kalo top speed 200km/h bisa tapi mgkin agak lama..Tapi tenang kalo belum puas top speednya ganti header jalan 200km/h enteng..
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Naaah ini baru masuk akal neh.. Emang harusnya jauh lebih kencang dari aerio yg pake mesin loyo n bodi gambot... Hehehe.. Dah masuk list kok..
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http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=783550
Setelah ane baca2 disitu bisa disimpulkan bahwa new L15A7 engine udah bukan VTEC banci lagi ini "really2" powerfull engine..So be carefull DOHC engine..
Disitu juga disebutin terjadi peningkatan power di rpm 5500 keatas..sama 4000rpm kebawah..Jadi sarannya kalo ngoper gigi sekalian diatas 5500rpm atau dibawah 4000rpm aja biar kerasa powernya..he2 
Setelah ane baca2 disitu bisa disimpulkan bahwa new L15A7 engine udah bukan VTEC banci lagi ini "really2" powerfull engine..So be carefull DOHC engine..


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1 lagi potential engine of honda..busyeet 164 hp normally aspirated engine..
Ane yakin tuh balapan turing njezznya pasti nyampe 180dk..
Berani ga ya lawan eterna GTi..wakakakak
1 lagi potential engine of honda..busyeet 164 hp normally aspirated engine..


Ane yakin tuh balapan turing njezznya pasti nyampe 180dk..
Berani ga ya lawan eterna GTi..wakakakak
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harus dilihat lagi grafik power dan torsinya.. tapi kalo lihat angka torsi yang 190NM, ini sepertinya setara dengan mesin 2000cc modern. dugaan ane, untuk mengejar angka 164HP mungkin dengan menaikkan RPM... karena altis 2.0V torsinya sekitaran 200-anNM dengan tenaga "cuman" 155HP di 6000RPM..aldy wrote:http://otomotifnet.com/otoweb/index.php ... /1/7/10034
1 lagi potential engine of honda..busyeet 164 hp normally aspirated engine..![]()
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Ane yakin tuh balapan turing njezznya pasti nyampe 180dk..
Berani ga ya lawan eterna GTi..wakakakak
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Yup bener bro tapi naik kagak mungkin banyak2 rpmnya,, mesin pasti jebol..
Belum dipakein turbo juga tuh..
Belum dipakein turbo juga tuh..

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