koq yg ane rasakan tu pertanyaan dan jawaban aga kurang nyambung nya..... cmiiw.....toyotaman wrote:Dari pada debate ama lo, silahkan lihat video ini dulu :
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-17f33 ... v=do-17f33 ... re=related</a><!-- m -->
Terus jawab sendiri dalam hati, rugi ngak rakyat Indonesia jika bisa miliki mobil RANGKA aman ini dengan harga SAMA ama KALENG ?!
Kecuali sales toyota, ya lain cerita deh pasti jawabnya macam macam.
bushkntl wrote:neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke dia apa sih?
Nissan Evalia (NV200) 2012 - PART 01
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Orgasmic pleasure buat si koyomanbushkntl wrote:neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke dia apa sih?

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Ooo... video crash test? Ane mah udh kenyang nonton video crash test kalo lagi rehat makan siang kantor..toyotaman wrote:Dari pada debate ama lo, silahkan lihat video ini dulu :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-17f33 ... re=related
Terus jawab sendiri dalam hati, rugi ngak rakyat Indonesia jika bisa miliki mobil RANGKA aman ini dengan harga SAMA ama KALENG ?!
Kecuali sales toyota, ya lain cerita deh pasti jawabnya macam macam.
bushkntl wrote:neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke dia apa sih?
masalahnya:
1. Kaleng itu apa toh...???
2. Rugi deh rakyat Indonesia beli mobil dari ENTE, yang kerjaannya hanya nyampah2 sambil dagang..!
3. Last but not least, BERAPA harga jualnya? Udah tau apa masih ada di kahyangan???

Nih Xenia:toyotaman wrote:Apalagi kaleng daihatsu ?
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ngomong asal jeplak aja loe, toyotaman!

Ya ngga nyambunglah, wong asal jeplak aja, kepepet, ngeles ke yang laen, angkat nasi basi mulu....ak4ng wrote:koq yg ane rasakan tu pertanyaan dan jawaban aga kurang nyambung nya..... cmiiw.....toyotaman wrote:Dari pada debate ama lo, silahkan lihat video ini dulu :
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-17f33 ... v=do-17f33 ... re=related</a><!-- m -->
Terus jawab sendiri dalam hati, rugi ngak rakyat Indonesia jika bisa miliki mobil RANGKA aman ini dengan harga SAMA ama KALENG ?!
Kecuali sales toyota, ya lain cerita deh pasti jawabnya macam macam.
bushkntl wrote:neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke dia apa sih?
Ga jijik apa yaa, dia angkat nasi basi mlulu...?
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Lo pura pura ngak baca yah ?
toyota BUKAN recall secara suka rela, tapi SERING MENGHINDARI RECALL, Menghindari pemeriksaan. Sembunyikan / hancurkan bukti ! Sudah ketangkap BARU ambil tindakan, dan sering di denda lagi.
Seperti kasus di Vietnam. Awalnya NGAK MAU RECALL ! Sampai orang Vietnam marah marah....Ada peniup peluit baru mau ngak mau.
Jago deh sales toyota pura pura, bahkan fakta di miringkan. Udah jelas menghindari recall, eh di bilang tanggung jawab !
Ni baca dulu ini :
http://www.toyotasteeringrecall.com
Masih banyak yang lain. Tapi kalau ngak tega baca ya terserah.
toyota BUKAN recall secara suka rela, tapi SERING MENGHINDARI RECALL, Menghindari pemeriksaan. Sembunyikan / hancurkan bukti ! Sudah ketangkap BARU ambil tindakan, dan sering di denda lagi.
Seperti kasus di Vietnam. Awalnya NGAK MAU RECALL ! Sampai orang Vietnam marah marah....Ada peniup peluit baru mau ngak mau.
Jago deh sales toyota pura pura, bahkan fakta di miringkan. Udah jelas menghindari recall, eh di bilang tanggung jawab !



Ni baca dulu ini :
http://www.toyotasteeringrecall.com
Masih banyak yang lain. Tapi kalau ngak tega baca ya terserah.
VanzMatic wrote:Mungkin makin banyak orang di Seraya Motor sadar, percuma beli dari Toyotaman yg kurang jujur begitu..toyotaman wrote:-cut-
karena mungkin makin banyak orang Amrik sadar, percuma beli dari perusahaan yang kurang jujur gitu....
DOHC wrote:doain jemb... biar dapet doa restu si nissan jualan nya... jangan ampe bangkrut kaya kmaren2 lagi..![]()
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Roda juga berputar bung..! Dan tiap perusahaan otomotif juga pasti pernah melakukan kesalahan, apapun tu bentuknya. Apabila pabrik juga sudah terbukti mengakui kesalahan dan bertanggung jawab memperbaiki kesalahan, ya sudah! Case udah selesai kok malah bawa2 mlulu.. HEY, BASI tau!!
Ane malah salut ama Toyota, tanggung jawab dengan pelanggan, sudah merecall dengan baik, walaupun muka sempat tercoreng, tapi itu adalah cara yang ksatria memperbaiki kesalahan, daripada YOU yang engga ksatria, masih mengungkit2 masa lalu melulu! Hidup bukan di masa lalu, bung!
Statement bodoh tanpa pembuktian.toyotaman wrote:Apalagi avanza di tabrak fortuner, di jamin habis, habis, tuntas, tas tuh !
Toh fortuner hasil uji tabrakannya tidak ada. Siapa tau cuman seperti balon gede doang....
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Habis dari hongkong, he? Ngomong seenak jidat doank ala pengangguran make warnet ya koyoman ini!
Sudah belajar apa itu crumple zone, om?ilhami wrote:nggak usah crash test deh.
Test kaleng aja, misal kap mesin ditaruh cobek 5 biji.
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Kalo belum, silakan belajar dulu ya! Males lah ane bla bla bla disini tentang teknologi crumple zone mobil masa kini..
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yahh mungkin ane emang salah satu manusia naif sih.......FortunerMan wrote:Baru nyadar ya om doqdoq wrote:bukan main........
omongan halus seperti ini aja langsung di berondong balik tanpa tedeng aling2 lagi
ga perlu pakai alasan "saya diserang antek2 toyota" lagi deh oom, statement2 anda diserang karena banyak dr bukti (so called) yg anda lampirkan diragukan validitas nya, dan klo pun terbukti valid itu terjadi nya dibelahan bumi yg lain yg tidak diketahui efek nya disini.
seperti yg oom turboman katakan; diskusi adalah 2 arah, dan yg oom TM lakukan lebih kearah indoktrinasi.........so maaf aja klo banyak dr rekan2 yg kurang menyukai hal tsb.Come on man....this has been going on since dia di gebuk melulu sama conan. Something SNAPPED!
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rekan2 sales Toyotadoq wrote:bukan main........
omongan halus seperti ini aja langsung di berondong balik tanpa tedeng aling2 lagi
ga perlu pakai alasan "saya diserang antek2 toyota" lagi deh oom, statement2 anda diserang karena banyak dr bukti (so called) yg anda lampirkan diragukan validitas nya, dan klo pun terbukti valid itu terjadi nya dibelahan bumi yg lain yg tidak diketahui efek nya disini.
seperti yg oom turboman katakan; diskusi adalah 2 arah, dan yg oom TM lakukan lebih kearah indoktrinasi.........so maaf aja klo banyak dr rekan2 yg kurang menyukai hal tsb.

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siapa ya yg posting 27 september 2011 nissan luncurkan nv200??VanzMatic wrote:
Ooo... video crash test? Ane mah udh kenyang nonton video crash test kalo lagi rehat makan siang kantor..
masalahnya:
1. Kaleng itu apa toh...???
2. Rugi deh rakyat Indonesia beli mobil dari ENTE, yang kerjaannya hanya nyampah2 sambil dagang..!
3. Last but not least, BERAPA harga jualnya? Udah tau apa masih ada di kahyangan???Scan dan pasang disini brosurnya!






taunya kaleng emang ente punya tu mobil yg (konon) kaleng??.............
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Peduli amat Toyotanya mau sukarela kek, mau terpaksa kek, kalo Toyota merecall juga, selesai juga kan?toyotaman wrote:Lo pura pura ngak baca yah ?
toyota BUKAN recall secara suka rela, tapi SERING MENGHINDARI RECALL, Menghindari pemeriksaan. Sembunyikan / hancurkan bukti ! Sudah ketangkap BARU ambil tindakan, dan sering di denda lagi.
Seperti kasus di Vietnam. Awalnya NGAK MAU RECALL ! Sampai orang Vietnam marah marah....Ada peniup peluit baru mau ngak mau.
Jago deh sales toyota pura pura, bahkan fakta di miringkan. Udah jelas menghindari recall, eh di bilang tanggung jawab !![]()
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Ni baca dulu ini :
http://www.toyotasteeringrecall.com
Masih banyak yang lain. Tapi kalau ngak tega baca ya terserah.
Ibarat orang kena tilang karena ngga pakai helm. Sebodo amat dia mau bayar tilang sambil maki2 polisinya kek, mau sambil ngeludahin kek, yang penting, tilang DIBAYAR, dan pelanggaran sudah ditindak. Penegakan hukum sudah berjalan. Titik. Mau apa lagi?
Mau bukti apa lagi? Wong Toyota udah bayar 'tilang' nya kok.
Sirik ya kalo ternyata Toyota bayar tilang?

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Alangkah Baiknya buat thread khusus buat perang antara T.... vs N.....
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Setelah penyelidikan NASA.... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... host-free/

Ghost Busters Go Bust: Toyotas Declared Ghost-Free
By Bertel Schmitt on February 8, 2011
After tarring and feathering Toyota for alleged sudden unintended acceleration, after inventing a mass murder of 89 that creates a massive 261,000 hits on Google, after dragging executives in front of tribunals of the Washington Inquisition, after shaking down Toyota for unprecedented $48.8 million in fines, after NASA engineers subjected Toyota cars to torture worse than waterboarding, the NHTSA today announced that they found …
… exactly nothing.
In a press conference today at 2pm in Washington, the DOT presented the results of a 10-month review. It was commissioned by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and conducted by NASA engineers. The engineers who usually busy themselves with Mars and Venus went on the hunt for the ghost in Toyota’s machine.
“A U.S. government investigation showed no link between electronic throttles and unintended acceleration in Toyota Motor Corp vehicles,” writes Reuters, “a victory for the world’s top automaker battered by recalls over runaway vehicles.” The NASA’s scientists found no ghosts, no tin whiskers, no shorts, not a shred of evidence.


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ngapain juga si ngurusin toyota di luar negeri??? dampaknya aja ga kerasa di indonesia.... meningan lihat fakta dalam negeri aja deh....
berikut adalah top 20 penjualan nasional:
No. Merek & Model Unit Model/Kategori
1. Toyota Avanza 126.357 MPV
2. Daihatsu Xenia 51.191 MPV
3. Toyota Kijang Innova 40.964 MPV
4. Mitsubishi Canter 6-ban 32.058 Truk
5. Suzuki Carry Futura PU 27.426 Bak Terbuka
6. Daihatsu Grand PU (1.3 & 1.5) 20.458 Bak Terbuka
7. Mitsubishi L-300 PU 19.067 Bak Terbuka
8. Nissan Grand Livina (1.5 & 1.8 ) 18.709 MPV
9. Toyota Rush 17.415 SUV
10. Daihatsu Terios 15.837 SUV
11. Honda Jazz 15.576 Sub-kompak
12. Toyota Yaris 14.356 Sub-kompak
13. Suzuki APV 13.864 MPV
14. Toyota Fortuner (4x2 & 4x4) 11.698 SUV
15. Mitsubishi Pajero (4x2 & 4x4) 10.912 SUV
16. Nissan March 10.453 City Car
17. Toyota Dyna 6-ban 10.247 Truk
18. Honda CR-V (4x2) 9.566 SUV
19. Honda Freed 8.295 MPV
20. Daihatsu Gran Max Minibus 7.586 MPV
nissan di top 10 cm skitar 28 rebu unit doank... uda GL 1.5,GL 1.8, ditambah march lg....... kasihan usaha om TM untuk menaikkan angka penjualan nissan yg bila dibandingin sm panjualan apanja cm 1/4 nya........
berikut adalah top 20 penjualan nasional:
No. Merek & Model Unit Model/Kategori
1. Toyota Avanza 126.357 MPV
2. Daihatsu Xenia 51.191 MPV
3. Toyota Kijang Innova 40.964 MPV
4. Mitsubishi Canter 6-ban 32.058 Truk
5. Suzuki Carry Futura PU 27.426 Bak Terbuka
6. Daihatsu Grand PU (1.3 & 1.5) 20.458 Bak Terbuka
7. Mitsubishi L-300 PU 19.067 Bak Terbuka
8. Nissan Grand Livina (1.5 & 1.8 ) 18.709 MPV
9. Toyota Rush 17.415 SUV
10. Daihatsu Terios 15.837 SUV
11. Honda Jazz 15.576 Sub-kompak
12. Toyota Yaris 14.356 Sub-kompak
13. Suzuki APV 13.864 MPV
14. Toyota Fortuner (4x2 & 4x4) 11.698 SUV
15. Mitsubishi Pajero (4x2 & 4x4) 10.912 SUV
16. Nissan March 10.453 City Car
17. Toyota Dyna 6-ban 10.247 Truk
18. Honda CR-V (4x2) 9.566 SUV
19. Honda Freed 8.295 MPV
20. Daihatsu Gran Max Minibus 7.586 MPV
nissan di top 10 cm skitar 28 rebu unit doank... uda GL 1.5,GL 1.8, ditambah march lg....... kasihan usaha om TM untuk menaikkan angka penjualan nissan yg bila dibandingin sm panjualan apanja cm 1/4 nya........

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Wah, Ak4ng mulai unjuk gigi ngeladenin om TM. MANTAF !!!! Maju, kiddo !! makin rame trid, makin laku dagangan golok, clurit, teh botol, ama sewa ambulans ane hihihihihihi....
Gak usah ngepost yang serius ane dimari ah. Topiknya BERPUTAR2. Salut deh ama yang gak bosan2nya ngeladenin soal recall dll. Ane pribadi ama om TM cukup nanya seperlunya, gak akan ngeladenin statement2 dejavu beliau.

Gak usah ngepost yang serius ane dimari ah. Topiknya BERPUTAR2. Salut deh ama yang gak bosan2nya ngeladenin soal recall dll. Ane pribadi ama om TM cukup nanya seperlunya, gak akan ngeladenin statement2 dejavu beliau.
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Coba aja kasih lihat pertanyaan NASA kepada para korban kasus toyota. Mau bilang ama mereka " Tuh, NASA sudah bilang ngak ada apa apa, udah pasti bapak lo yang [cencored], salah injak gas kali.... "
Tapi anehnya, semua kasus cuman terjadi di toyota, merek lain tidak. Apakah cuman pemakai toyota doang yang bisa salah injak gas ?
Semua orang tau, alat elektronik kalau lagi hang, terus habis di reboot, kelihatannya OK OK aja. Ngak bisa, sulit sekali di lacak kenapa tadi hang.
Cuman kasus toyota, ngak ada waktu untuk reboot. Saat ECUnya ngaco, toyotanya accelerasi mendadak, sampai tabrakan.....
NASA itu ahli spacecraft, bukan MOBIL. Toh jika benar tidak ada apa apa, kenapa toyota sampai recall 10 juta lebih mobil mereka ?
Dan para korban toyota yang sampai mati, itu karena semuanya bodoh ? Kok ngak ada kasus serupa di pemakai mobil merek lain ?
Coba, mana ada laporan banyak kasus accelerasi mendadak VW, Nissan, Mitsubishi dll, bahkan Peugeot aja ngak ada.
Tapi anehnya, semua kasus cuman terjadi di toyota, merek lain tidak. Apakah cuman pemakai toyota doang yang bisa salah injak gas ?
Semua orang tau, alat elektronik kalau lagi hang, terus habis di reboot, kelihatannya OK OK aja. Ngak bisa, sulit sekali di lacak kenapa tadi hang.
Cuman kasus toyota, ngak ada waktu untuk reboot. Saat ECUnya ngaco, toyotanya accelerasi mendadak, sampai tabrakan.....
NASA itu ahli spacecraft, bukan MOBIL. Toh jika benar tidak ada apa apa, kenapa toyota sampai recall 10 juta lebih mobil mereka ?
Dan para korban toyota yang sampai mati, itu karena semuanya bodoh ? Kok ngak ada kasus serupa di pemakai mobil merek lain ?
Coba, mana ada laporan banyak kasus accelerasi mendadak VW, Nissan, Mitsubishi dll, bahkan Peugeot aja ngak ada.
FortunerMan wrote:Setelah penyelidikan NASA.... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... host-free/
Ghost Busters Go Bust: Toyotas Declared Ghost-Free
By Bertel Schmitt on February 8, 2011
After tarring and feathering Toyota for alleged sudden unintended acceleration, after inventing a mass murder of 89 that creates a massive 261,000 hits on Google, after dragging executives in front of tribunals of the Washington Inquisition, after shaking down Toyota for unprecedented $48.8 million in fines, after NASA engineers subjected Toyota cars to torture worse than waterboarding, the NHTSA today announced that they found …
… exactly nothing.
In a press conference today at 2pm in Washington, the DOT presented the results of a 10-month review. It was commissioned by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and conducted by NASA engineers. The engineers who usually busy themselves with Mars and Venus went on the hunt for the ghost in Toyota’s machine.
“A U.S. government investigation showed no link between electronic throttles and unintended acceleration in Toyota Motor Corp vehicles,” writes Reuters, “a victory for the world’s top automaker battered by recalls over runaway vehicles.” The NASA’s scientists found no ghosts, no tin whiskers, no shorts, not a shred of evidence.![]()
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huh? what? gw tanya apa kok di jawab apa sih? neh gw kasih tau ke elo gw gak pro toyota or any other brand in fact pada saat ini di garasi gw gak ada toyota yg ada nissan elgrand(perlu bukti photo nissan gw? ntar gw photoin) jadi lo gak bisa bilang gw bias atau pro toyota bagi gw semua merek sama aja sebelom beli gw research dulu untuk saat yang gw butuhkan merek mana yg gw mau pilih. Contoh waktu itu kenapa gw pilih elgrand bukan alphard? karena gw liat secara bang for the buck elgrand lebih bagus dengan fitur2nya diharga 800an sedangkan alphardnya sudah hampir 1 m sedangkan next time gw bakal pilih vellfire atau alphard karena elgrand generasi sekarang berasa lebih sempit jadi liat ya buat gw gak ada masalah untuk pindah2 merek, which ever brand gives me the best value its MY choice dan kalau orang lain bilang alphard last gen lebih gengsi atau lebih bagus dari elgrand gw who gives a flying f**ck? toh at the end of the day gw masih bisa enjoy mobilnya. Prinsip gw simple duit punya gw it is the brand duty to kiss my a** and not the other way around which what you've been doing since I joined SM!toyotaman wrote:Dari pada debate ama lo, silahkan lihat video ini dulu :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-17f33 ... re=related
Terus jawab sendiri dalam hati, rugi ngak rakyat Indonesia jika bisa miliki mobil RANGKA aman ini dengan harga SAMA ama KALENG ?!
Kecuali sales toyota, ya lain cerita deh pasti jawabnya macam macam.
bushkntl wrote:neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke dia apa sih?
so sebagai non toyota but a nissan owner gw tanya lo sekali lagi
neh pertanyaan simple: emang kalo nissan bisa geser toyota di indo atau di dunia benefit langsungnya ke elo apa sih?
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Tukang koyo ngaku lebih pinter dr NASA
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/05/ ... ost_v.html
Tauk....di luar negeri fine2 aja kokak4ng wrote:ngapain juga si ngurusin toyota di luar negeri???
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/05/ ... ost_v.html
Toyota Regains Title as Most Valuable Automotive Brand
Toyota has regained its title as the world's most valuable automotive brand, despite all of the recalls Toyota had in 2010.
Toyota's brand value has jumped 11 percent to $24.2 billion in the BrandZ Top 100 annual ranking of the world's most valuable brands. Toyota has taken the top spot from BMW ($22.4 billion), which held the spot last year. Mercedes-Benz holds the number three spot and is valued at $15.3 billion and Honda is now at number four spot and is valued at $14.2 billion.
According to Peter Walshe, Millward Brown global brand director, Toyota's recalls did not have a significant affect on consumer's confidence in Toyota. He told Automotive News Europe, "It was a highly trusted brand before the recall and the company was always going to bounce back if it acted responsibly, which it did. It shows the resilience of the brand." Toyota was the most valuable automotive brand from 2006-2009.
According to the study, the most valuable brand in the world is Apple, which is valued at $153 billion, while last year's leader Google is now only valued at $111 billion.
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tapi laporan di SerayaMotor saja ada NISSAN GL yg TANGKI BENSINNYA BERKARAT, BERMASALAH PADA TRANSMISI shg DIBONGKAR, dll.......... mana yg lebih bahaya?? yg lebih vital??
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Ni, sebelum hanggap pertanyaan NASA sebagai injil, baca lagi artikel ini :
http://www.quality-control.us/cover_up.html
Covering Up Redactions in NASA's
"Toyota Study" of Unintended Acceleration
An Inconvenient Fact
In June, 2011 we learned the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) had improperly claimed that portions of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's (NASA's) reports about Toyota Unintended Acceleration kept secret from the public concerned confidential business information.
We showed on our website the result of a particular Google search result demonstrating there had been no follow-up of a potentially important clue that might have linked known incidents of unintended acceleration in Toyotas to instances of data loss through the Controller Area Network.
No matter how else this inconvenient fact might be characterized, it is not a trade secret.
The lack of interest in the problem shown in this portion of the report - and kept secret by NHTSA - undercut claims made by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood that NASA's and NHTSA's investigation was "one of the most exhaustive, thorough, and intensive research efforts ever taken."
NHTSA's answer to this revelation was to alter the source document and cover up the evidence of this investigatory lapse, so that a Google search query would no longer reveal "the secret."
Who Ordered the Document Be Altered?
On September 3, 2011 we filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking records "documenting the identities of the persons or organizations seeking or ordering modifications to these Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports as well as the identities of those who carried out the modifications, minutes of meetings and lists of attendees at which modifications to the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports were discussed, documents stating any reasons, arguments, or demands to modify the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports, as well as documents showing when, how, and by whom the modifications to the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports were made and the expenses involved."
Although the original document itself may have been disappeared, it is reasonable to believe the disappearance itself would have left behind a paper trail at NHTSA.
Incidents of unintended acceleration continue to occur in Toyota motor vehicles which have had the recall remedies designed for the known mechanical causes of these events. Therefore, it is important that information gathered at taxpayers' expense, which could aid further investigation of unintended acceleration, be made publicly available to engineers and researchers outside of NHTSA. If NHTSA itself is currently unable or unwilling to aid efforts to find solutions to this ongoing problem, it must not hinder the efforts of those who still try.
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Covering Up Redactions in NASA's
"Toyota Study" of Unintended Acceleration
An Inconvenient Fact
In June, 2011 we learned the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) had improperly claimed that portions of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's (NASA's) reports about Toyota Unintended Acceleration kept secret from the public concerned confidential business information.
We showed on our website the result of a particular Google search result demonstrating there had been no follow-up of a potentially important clue that might have linked known incidents of unintended acceleration in Toyotas to instances of data loss through the Controller Area Network.
No matter how else this inconvenient fact might be characterized, it is not a trade secret.
The lack of interest in the problem shown in this portion of the report - and kept secret by NHTSA - undercut claims made by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood that NASA's and NHTSA's investigation was "one of the most exhaustive, thorough, and intensive research efforts ever taken."
NHTSA's answer to this revelation was to alter the source document and cover up the evidence of this investigatory lapse, so that a Google search query would no longer reveal "the secret."
Who Ordered the Document Be Altered?
On September 3, 2011 we filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking records "documenting the identities of the persons or organizations seeking or ordering modifications to these Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports as well as the identities of those who carried out the modifications, minutes of meetings and lists of attendees at which modifications to the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports were discussed, documents stating any reasons, arguments, or demands to modify the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports, as well as documents showing when, how, and by whom the modifications to the Toyota Unintended Acceleration reports were made and the expenses involved."
Although the original document itself may have been disappeared, it is reasonable to believe the disappearance itself would have left behind a paper trail at NHTSA.
Incidents of unintended acceleration continue to occur in Toyota motor vehicles which have had the recall remedies designed for the known mechanical causes of these events. Therefore, it is important that information gathered at taxpayers' expense, which could aid further investigation of unintended acceleration, be made publicly available to engineers and researchers outside of NHTSA. If NHTSA itself is currently unable or unwilling to aid efforts to find solutions to this ongoing problem, it must not hinder the efforts of those who still try.
FortunerMan wrote:Setelah penyelidikan NASA.... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/0 ... host-free/
Ghost Busters Go Bust: Toyotas Declared Ghost-Free
By Bertel Schmitt on February 8, 2011
After tarring and feathering Toyota for alleged sudden unintended acceleration, after inventing a mass murder of 89 that creates a massive 261,000 hits on Google, after dragging executives in front of tribunals of the Washington Inquisition, after shaking down Toyota for unprecedented $48.8 million in fines, after NASA engineers subjected Toyota cars to torture worse than waterboarding, the NHTSA today announced that they found …
… exactly nothing.
In a press conference today at 2pm in Washington, the DOT presented the results of a 10-month review. It was commissioned by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and conducted by NASA engineers. The engineers who usually busy themselves with Mars and Venus went on the hunt for the ghost in Toyota’s machine.
“A U.S. government investigation showed no link between electronic throttles and unintended acceleration in Toyota Motor Corp vehicles,” writes Reuters, “a victory for the world’s top automaker battered by recalls over runaway vehicles.” The NASA’s scientists found no ghosts, no tin whiskers, no shorts, not a shred of evidence.![]()
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koyoman memang tiada taratoyotaman wrote:Dan para korban toyota yang sampai mati, itu karena semuanya bodoh ? Kok ngak ada kasus serupa di pemakai mobil merek lain ?
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/0 ... -the-data/


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Re: Nissan Evalia (NV200) 2012
Paling di kasih duit.
Seperti gimana para lembaga finance Amrik kasih Moodys, Standard and Poor duit, supaya rating mereka tetap tinggi. Triple A.
Tau taunya mereka bangkrut di tahun 2008. Dan 1 minggu sebelum bangkrut, rating mereka tetap Triple A.
UUD. Mau ngomong apa ?
Seperti gimana para lembaga finance Amrik kasih Moodys, Standard and Poor duit, supaya rating mereka tetap tinggi. Triple A.
Tau taunya mereka bangkrut di tahun 2008. Dan 1 minggu sebelum bangkrut, rating mereka tetap Triple A.
UUD. Mau ngomong apa ?
FortunerMan wrote:Tukang koyo ngaku lebih pinter dr NASA
Tauk....di luar negeri fine2 aja kokak4ng wrote:ngapain juga si ngurusin toyota di luar negeri???
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/05/ ... ost_v.htmlToyota Regains Title as Most Valuable Automotive Brand
Toyota has regained its title as the world's most valuable automotive brand, despite all of the recalls Toyota had in 2010.
Toyota's brand value has jumped 11 percent to $24.2 billion in the BrandZ Top 100 annual ranking of the world's most valuable brands. Toyota has taken the top spot from BMW ($22.4 billion), which held the spot last year. Mercedes-Benz holds the number three spot and is valued at $15.3 billion and Honda is now at number four spot and is valued at $14.2 billion.
According to Peter Walshe, Millward Brown global brand director, Toyota's recalls did not have a significant affect on consumer's confidence in Toyota. He told Automotive News Europe, "It was a highly trusted brand before the recall and the company was always going to bounce back if it acted responsibly, which it did. It shows the resilience of the brand." Toyota was the most valuable automotive brand from 2006-2009.
According to the study, the most valuable brand in the world is Apple, which is valued at $153 billion, while last year's leader Google is now only valued at $111 billion.
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BOSENNN.... baca2 artikel luar negri... ni baca macem2 tret PERMASLAHAN LIVINA:
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Re: Nissan Evalia (NV200) 2012
Kalo ini dikasi duit berapa?toyotaman wrote:Paling di kasih duit.
Kebodohan koyoman memang tiada taratoyotaman wrote:Dan para korban toyota yang sampai mati, itu karena semuanya bodoh ? Kok ngak ada kasus serupa di pemakai mobil merek lain ?
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/0 ... -the-data/


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Kalo saya tetep ngekiss ass nya Harley ama Jeep, om Bush. Jangan diketawain y huaaaaaaaa....bushkntl wrote:- CUT -
Prinsip gw simple duit punya gw it is the brand duty to kiss my a** and not the other way around which what you've been doing since I joined SM!
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eh gw nissan owner jawab pertanyaan simple gw gak usah muter2 soal unintened accelaration kalo mau ngeyel soal unintened acceleration di US gw bukain thread baru supaya lo bisa liat bahwa artikel2 yg selama ini lo quote cuma recycle dari cerita lama dari tahun 80
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Re: Nissan Evalia (NV200) 2012
Beda dong. Kasus accelerasi mendadak toyota PARAH. Durasinya lama, sampai orang masuk jurang lagi.
Buktinya ada ngak kasus accelerasi mendadak merek lain yang sampai masuk jurang, bunuh orang, tabrak gedung ? Kasus merek lain paling kurang dari 1 detik accelerasi mendadaknya. Ringan gitu. Ngap sampai crash yang spektakular.
Eh, bukannya tadi lo bilang NASA bilang toyota ngak ada kasus accelerasi mendadak, sekarang malah akui. Gimana sih ni?
Buktinya ada ngak kasus accelerasi mendadak merek lain yang sampai masuk jurang, bunuh orang, tabrak gedung ? Kasus merek lain paling kurang dari 1 detik accelerasi mendadaknya. Ringan gitu. Ngap sampai crash yang spektakular.
Eh, bukannya tadi lo bilang NASA bilang toyota ngak ada kasus accelerasi mendadak, sekarang malah akui. Gimana sih ni?





FortunerMan wrote:Kebodohan koyoman memang tiada taratoyotaman wrote:Dan para korban toyota yang sampai mati, itu karena semuanya bodoh ? Kok ngak ada kasus serupa di pemakai mobil merek lain ?
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/0 ... -the-data/
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Alert... alert...... Bandwith Warnet Overload.....Bandwith Warnet... Overload.....!!toyotaman wrote:Makanya terserah masing masing. Mau
1. Avanza S ada ABS tapi KALENG
atau
2. Grand Livina tipe termurah, namun tetap hasil uji tabrakannya jauh lebih kuat.
DOHC wrote:kang... lampu led ga ngejamin pasti kliatan... kcuali dipakein led luxeon... led mahh cuman buat gaya2an doank biar kliatan keren... lagian lipina ada high mount third stop lamp.... cuman sopir truk katarak doank yg masi ga kliatan kalo ntuh lampu nyala...
mending kalo mo bahas safety tuh.. yahh bahas yg lebi realistis gt lohh... rem lipina misalnya yg ala kadar nya alias kaga ada abs ebd... yahh kcuali nt beli yg type mahal.. ultimate.. kaleng apanja aja yg type S (lebi murah dari lipina) aja uda dikasi..
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