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asudarsono wrote:Yah, pertanyaan udah jelas kok diulang2. Gak level kali.
Least-Safe Cars 2007

2007 Toyota Corolla four-door, without optional side airbags
Safety issues:

--"Poor" side-impact rating from Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

--Substantially worse-than-average frequency of injury claims filed

--"Poor" rear crash-protection rating from IIHS--the lowest-possible rating
http://www.forbes.com/2006/10/30/forbes ... =undefined

Ooo...di Amerika? http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010 ... tatus.html
Today, the IIHS announced that the 2010 Toyota Corolla and 2010 Scion xB both earned the top score of Good in the roof-strength test and are again Top Safety Picks.
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asudarsono wrote:BTW, yg dijual Astra airbagnya ada berapa?

Lagi males nih, coba isiin dong :
Crown = .... airbag
Camry = .... airbag
Corolla = .... airbag
Yaris = .... airbag
Innova = .... airbag
Avanza = ... airbag
Crown, Alphard, Landcruiser 200, dan Prius, semua CBU Jepang - semua sama aja jumlah airbagnya dgn crash test dimana aja. Yg lainnya rakitan Thailand atau Indonesia, sama seperti merek besar lainnya di spek down airbagnya.

Kalo merek gak laku kaya Peugeot...memang CBU semua, namanya juga mobil gak laku - ngapain repot2 bikin pabrik. Dulu waktu masih lumayan laku, 406 di spekdown juga jadi 2 airbag...sama aja lah...

Tau kenapa gak laku? :mrgreen:
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Duduk tertib....
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asudarsono wrote:BTW, yg dijual Astra airbagnya ada berapa?

Lagi males nih, coba isiin dong :
Crown = .... airbag
Camry = .... airbag
Corolla = .... airbag
Yaris = .... airbag
Innova = .... airbag
Avanza = ... airbag
Yg dijual TAM masih banyak lagi om, Crown, Alphard, Landcruiser 200, dan Prius, semua CBU Jepang - semua sama aja jumlah airbagnya dgn crash test dimana aja. Yg lainnya rakitan Thailand atau Indonesia, sama seperti merek besar lainnya di spek down airbagnya.

Kalo merek gak laku kaya Peugeot...memang CBU semua, namanya juga mobil gak laku - ngapain repot2 bikin pabrik. Dulu waktu masih lumayan laku, 406 di spekdown juga jadi 2 airbag...sama aja lah...

Tau kenapa gak laku? :mrgreen:

http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurve ... /04/1.html
Which cars are fighting a losing battle against reliability? You guessed it: they're French

Which cars are fighting a losing battle against reliability? You guessed it: they're French. Eight out of the ten least reliable cars come from across the Channel, with the Peugeot 807 propping up the table.

The dismal people-ferrier is joined by two further Peugeots (the 307 and 407), a pair of Citroens (C3 and C8) and a trio of Renaults (the Megane, Espace and Scenic), with only the Range Rover and Ford S-MAX preventing a Gallic whitewash of the bottom ten.

In fact, the highest place Peugeot can manage is a miserable 134th for the now-defunct 206, while the highest-placing French car is the Renault Modus in, erm, 88th spot. As unreliable as une voiture Française? Malheureusement, oui.
Jadinya sekarang CBU semua...jual iseng2 aja. Dibawah Astra ini...penjualan Toyota cukup buat menopang merek gak laku, reliability jongkok, resale apa lagi :mrgreen:
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Namanya juga mobil bos. Moso bos disuruh pakai mobil sama dengan rakyat jelata. Kalau kondangan malu lagi.

Artikel kau yg ini :
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010 ... tatus.html

Artinya Toyota nggak ada yang aman kecuali Corolla 2010. Jadi 2007, 2008, 2009 gak ada Toyota yang aman. Kebetulan aja 2010 Corolla ama Scion xB (apa lagi ini?) bisa dikategorikan aman. Tahu tuh 2011 apa masih aman nggak.

Ya deh, moga2 Camry, Yaris dkk juga suatu saat bisa dinyatakan aman. Nih mobil2 yg aman : http://www.edmunds.com/industry-car-new ... -cars.html
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wah again & again.....debat safety factor nggak ada habis habisnya......ck ck ck.......

IMHO :
safety factor adalah memang suatu hal yg penting, tetapi suksesnya penjualan sebuah mobil ane rasa ga hanya soal safety factor semata.

OOT dikit yah di luar faktor safety rating
Hal yg paling simple :
kebetulan ane juga ada Kijang kapsul Diesel th 2001 dgn odo udah ampir 150 rb Km lebih.......since ane udah ngalamin bersama si ToKiDies hampir 10 tahun jadi makin ngerti kenapa mobil ini bekasnya sangat dicari cari orang.

ToKiDies ane sgt reliable & bandel, nggak pernah nyusahin.......spare part mudah dicari en harga terjangkau, dan yg penting komponen2 penting mobil ini sangat sangat bandel & tahan banting, spt :

1. Sistem AC, Kompressor / Evap / Kondensor semua masih dari baru, belum ada yg ganti
2. Steering Rack masih prima
3. Cooling system masih prima, Radiator / water pump belom ada yg ganti (cuman pernah ganti tutup radiator aja)
4. Kopling dari baru belum pernah ganti (baru akhir2 ini aja udah agak getar en sedikit bunyi)

Kerusakan agak mahal yg ane pernah alamin = gulung ulang alternator, abis itu ga pernah masalah lagi.

Lalu kaki2 pernah ganti karet2 stabilizer en per belakang aja / ball joint / tie rod / long tie-rod / ganti shock, enak lagi. (hal umum utk mobil berumur)

ToKiDies ane jalan setiap hari hingga hari ini, nggak ada perawatan khusus thd di ToKiDies kecuali ganti oli teratur pakai oli kelas sedang2 aja (semi synth) & BBM campur additive dikit.

Bukan sih ngebelain Toyota yach.........tapi melihat realitas yg ane alamin dgn si ToKiDies, nggak heran-lah mobil ini bekasnya sgt dicari cari orang.

Demikian juga dengan mobil2 yang sangat bandel spt Mitsubishi L-300 / Daihatsu Taft / LC - 80, yg bekasnya selalu dicari-cari orang. CMIIW

Ane bukan sales Toyota, hanya murni user ajah.

Sekedar sharing ajah en maap jika OOT.
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asudarsono wrote:Artinya Toyota nggak ada yang aman kecuali Corolla 2010. Jadi 2007, 2008, 2009 gak ada Toyota yang aman. Kebetulan aja 2010 Corolla ama Scion xB (apa lagi ini?) bisa dikategorikan aman. Tahu tuh 2011 apa masih aman nggak.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashTestRecord.aspx?Id=200

TOYOTA COROLLA, 2007-on. 5 BINTANG.

Omongan kok sampah semua gak ada yg bener :mrgreen:
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Makanya lu, jual yg airbagnya lengkap. Kalau nggak, tewaslah kau jadi cuma 4 bintang.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashTestRecord.aspx?Id=247

TOYOTA COROLLA (dual airbag), 2007-on. 4 BINTANG.

Jadi yg dijual Astra = NOL airbag dapat berapa bintang?

Ini baru Corolla, yg notabene Toyota paling aman. Gimana kalau YARIS dll????
Pasti FM gak bisa jawab.
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asudarsono wrote:Makanya lu, jual yg airbagnya lengkap. Kalau nggak, tewaslah kau jadi cuma 4 bintang.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashTestRecord.aspx?Id=247

TOYOTA COROLLA (dual airbag), 2007-on. 4 BINTANG.

Jadi yg dijual Astra = NOL airbag dapat berapa bintang?


Lumrah merek2 di Indonesia kalo dirakit di Thailand/Iindonesia. Kalo merek gak laku kaya Peugeot...memang CBU semua, namanya juga mobil gak laku - ngapain repot2 bikin pabrik.
Dulu waktu masih lumayan laku, 406 di spekdown juga jadi 2 airbag...sama aja lah...

Tau kenapa gak laku? :mrgreen:

http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurve ... /04/1.html
Which cars are fighting a losing battle against reliability? You guessed it: they're French

Which cars are fighting a losing battle against reliability? You guessed it: they're French. Eight out of the ten least reliable cars come from across the Channel, with the Peugeot 807 propping up the table.

The dismal people-ferrier is joined by two further Peugeots (the 307 and 407), a pair of Citroens (C3 and C8) and a trio of Renaults (the Megane, Espace and Scenic), with only the Range Rover and Ford S-MAX preventing a Gallic whitewash of the bottom ten.

In fact, the highest place Peugeot can manage is a miserable 134th for the now-defunct 206, while the highest-placing French car is the Renault Modus in, erm, 88th spot. As unreliable as une voiture Française? Malheureusement, oui.
Jadinya sekarang CBU semua...jual iseng2 aja. Dibawah Astra ini...penjualan Toyota cukup buat menopang merek gak laku, reliability jongkok, resale apa lagi :mrgreen:
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Iya donk, kamu rakyat jelata harus menyokong big bos. Moso bos harus bayar sendiri.

Ntar lagi klub Peugeot mau bikin drag race di Sentul. Untung ada Astra. Gratiiiiiis.
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asudarsono wrote:Ini baru Corolla, yg notabene Toyota paling aman. Gimana kalau YARIS dll????
Pasti FM gak bisa jawab.
Yaris ==> 5 bintang Euro NCAP http://www.euroncap.com/tests/toyota_ya ... 5/246.aspx

Corolla Toyota paling aman? Sampah lagi omongan anda.
Euro NCAP's top five achievers of 2009

For the first time, Euro NCAP can now release its top five safest cars of 2009, based on their maximum five star award and their overall score. Top of this list is the Volkswagen Golf VI that was first tested in 2008 under the former rating scheme and was re-released in 2009.

The Honda Insight Hybrid and Toyota Prius, two fuel-efficient vehicles tested in 2009, were second and third respectively in Euro NCAP’s list of safest, crash-tested cars. In fourth place is the Hyundai i20. There are three joint winners for fifth place – the Toyota Avensis, Volvo XC60 and the Opel/Vauxhall Astra. Euro NCAP’s poorest results of the year were achieved by the Suzuki Alto and the Toyota Urban Cruiser, which both received three stars.

1. VW Golf VI
2. Honda Insight
3. Toyota Prius
4. Hyundai i20
5. Toyota Avensis
5. Volvo XC60 5. Opel/Vauxhall Astra

In 2009, Euro NCAP crash tested thirty three car models, using up to a total of three cars, three front seats, four child seats and an array of spare parts per model. To achieve the overall rating, the car model is usually put through four crash tests, a component test and is assessed by an inspector who considers tests results and the safety equipment and features of the car. In 2009, upon the request of the manufacturer Euro NCAP also considered results from vehicles crash-tested in 2007/2008 and carried out the necessary tests and assessment to upgrade them to a result applicable under the new rating scheme.

Dr Michiel van Ratingen,Secretary General of Euro NCAP says “This is the first time we can calculate results that demonstrate an overall safety performance. Even though these cars excel in different areas of safety, their presence in the top-five list indicates that they are among the top safety achievers of the year”.
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Prius dan Avensis kok gak masuk top pick? Honor wartawannya kamu beda2in siiih. Jadi deh nggak klop.
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asudarsono wrote:Prius dan Avensis kok gak masuk top pick? Honor wartawannya kamu beda2in siiih. Jadi deh nggak klop.
Avensis adalah Europe only, IIHS itu lembaga Amerika.

Poinnya, banyak mobil2 Toyota = safe.

Peugeot juga gak ada Top Safety Pick...iyalah, Peugeot udah kabur dr Amerika bwahahaha...gak laku. Tau kenapa gak laku? :mrgreen:
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Makanya lu, jangan plin plan. Kamu sendiri yg bilang cuma Corolla dan Scion xB yg masuk, terus mbantah terus sekarang minta maaf.

Hahaha, moso nggak tahu kenapa Peugeot kabur dari Amrik. Peugeot, FIAT, Jaguar, AUDI dkk emang malas aturannya banyak. Lagian di sono gak ada Astra. Enak di sini ada Astra. Bisa beli Peugeot murah, harga disubsidi.
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Siapa yg plin plan
FortunerMan wrote:
asudarsono wrote:Artinya Toyota nggak ada yang aman kecuali Corolla 2010. Jadi 2007, 2008, 2009 gak ada Toyota yang aman. Kebetulan aja 2010 Corolla ama Scion xB (apa lagi ini?) bisa dikategorikan aman. Tahu tuh 2011 apa masih aman nggak.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashTestRecord.aspx?Id=200

TOYOTA COROLLA, 2007-on. 5 BINTANG.

Omongan kok sampah semua gak ada yg bener :mrgreen:
Dimana saya bilang HANYA 2010 Corolla yg aman? Bacanya gak becus ya om? :mrgreen:
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FortunerMan wrote: Ooo...di Amerika? http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010 ... tatus.html
Today, the IIHS announced that the 2010 Toyota Corolla and 2010 Scion xB both earned the top score of Good in the roof-strength test and are again Top Safety Picks.
Katanya Corolla dan Scion masuk mobil aman mulai 2010, sebelumnya atapnya butut, terus aku lihat emang Prius ama Avensis nggak masuk Safety Picks. Apa karena Prius nggak dijual di Amrik? Toyota yg lain juga nggak ada yang masuk tuh. Jadi 2007 gak masuk, 2008 nggak masuk, 2009 nggak masuk. Jadi semua Toyota di Indonesia tidak aman donk kecuali Corolla 2010. Prius aja nggak aman?
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Tidak masuk safety pick bukan berarti tidak aman...ada yg 4 stars, dll...makanya pengetahuan itu ditambah dikit :mrgreen:

IIHS Top Safety Picks
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

Wah, Honda Accord, BMW X5 bukan Top Safety Pick - berarti gak aman ya menurut situ? Omongan kok sampah melulu ya :mrgreen:
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Salah dik. IIHS itu melakukan safety pick tidak saja mempertimbangkan keselamatan tapi lebih kepada nilai kerugian yang perlu ditanggung asuransi.

Jelas aja, Prius mahal ongkos perbaikannya. Bukan karena Prius tidak dijual di AS sana.
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Mau naik mobil merk apapun, dapat bintang NCAP berapapun, harus hati2 sewaktu nyetir di jalan, biar nggak membahayakan diri sendiri dan orang lain... :big_peace:

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asudarsono wrote:Salah dik. IIHS itu melakukan safety pick tidak saja mempertimbangkan keselamatan tapi lebih kepada nilai kerugian yang perlu ditanggung asuransi.

Jelas aja, Prius mahal ongkos perbaikannya. Bukan karena Prius tidak dijual di AS sana.
Yg bilang Prius tidak dijual di Amerika siapa? Belajar baca yg bener...jadi gak malu2in :mrgreen:

Jawab dong, jadi Honda accord gak aman? Katanya Corolla, Camry karena 2009 bukan top safety pick = tidak aman? Tuh Accord bukan safety pick. hmmm? Nyampah ya? hihihihi...
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Yg punya top rated NCAP aja bilang harus hati2, apalagi saya yg tiap hari naik Toyota. Siap Herr Komandant !

Itu dik FM posting IIHS emang rada sampah. Makanya kalau copas yg baik ya.
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asudarsono wrote:Yg punya top rated NCAP aja bilang harus hati2, apalagi saya yg tiap hari naik Toyota. Siap Herr Komandant !

Itu kamu posting IIHS emang rada sampah. Makanya kalau copas yg baik ya.
Yang sampah itu yg ini om...
asudarsono wrote:Artinya Toyota nggak ada yang aman kecuali Corolla 2010. Jadi 2007, 2008, 2009 gak ada Toyota yang aman. Kebetulan aja 2010 Corolla ama Scion xB (apa lagi ini?) bisa dikategorikan aman. Tahu tuh 2011 apa masih aman nggak.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashTestRecord.aspx?Id=200
TOYOTA COROLLA, 2007-on. 5 BINTANG

Gimana? Honda Accord bukan Top Safety Pick....gak aman dong ya? hmm? :mrgreen:
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Ah, kau dikasih tahu malah bingung sendiri. Jelalah Accord bagus buanget. Makanya jangan copas2 sendiri bingung2 sendiri.
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asudarsono wrote:Ah, kau dikasih tahu malah bingung sendiri. Jelalah Accord bagus buanget. Makanya jangan copas2 sendiri bingung2 sendiri.
Kok bisa bagus banget om? Kan bukan IIHS Top Safety Pick? http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

Kalo Toyota om bilang tidak aman
asudarsono wrote:Artinya Toyota nggak ada yang aman kecuali Corolla 2010. Jadi 2007, 2008, 2009 gak ada Toyota yang aman. Kebetulan aja 2010 Corolla ama Scion xB (apa lagi ini?) bisa dikategorikan aman. Tahu tuh 2011 apa masih aman nggak.
Kalo Toyota BUKAN top safety pick om bilang tidak aman, kalo Accord BUKAN top safety pick om bilang bagus banget safetynya. Gimana sih om? :mrgreen:
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Makanya jangan nyampah2 pakai IIHS segala. Sekarang kamu bingung sendiri khan.

Baca donk postingan pertama. Honda Accord di urutan berapa. Jelaslah aman.
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