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Sumpah gundul saya ndak nakut2in yg mau beli Zenix hibrid ya :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: , nemu disini :

https://web.facebook.com/11072149031953 ... rdc=1&_rdr

Sama di grup Prius ada jg yg main2 OBD :

https://priuschat.com/threads/hybrid-ba ... ol.228265/

Sy kutip yg penting aja :

Air is being blow by centrifugal fan, it has 6 speed in total.
-Speed 1-2 when battery temp above 37’c (so slow you can’t even hear the fan sucking air. Most of the time can’t even hear the fan is spinning when temp is 38’c)
-Speed 2-3 when temp hit 39.7’c (your hybrid system will automatically limit the charge from your regenerative braking and max charge. At this speed Prius C has better efficiency due to lesser number of batteries and the larger size of the centrifugal fan has advantages over other models)
-Speed 3-4 Temp reaches 42’c (regenerative braking & Max charge is further limit. IR value start to raise cause charging\discharging less efficient. Operating at this temp will cause permanent damage overtime)
-Speed 4-5 Temp reaches 45’c (now at this temp you start to notice the usable throttle for EV is so limited where a little pedal to the throttle will engage the engine. Camry Hybrid has the least efficient cooling and it is common for a 3 years old battery to operate at this temp)
-Speed 5-6 Temp reaches 48’c (your car is now less responsive, when temp reaches 50’c hybrid system is now only limit to supply enough energy to just entire car’s electrical components thus resulting your engine to be constantly running even at traffic stop)

Semoga algoritma Zenix dah diupdate ya, jd kick di 30C, dan kalo masih ditaruh dibawah jok dan pendingin udara ada jalur khusus dari kabin ke batere.
Soalnya ngeri aja kipas baru nyala di 37C, secara angin kan bukan penghantar panas yg baik, terus dia baru dethrothling arusnya di 42C, dan kalo diliat di grafik (yg di Priuschat), kayaknya dia dipantengnya di 37C-45C, lha padahal lithium ion kan cepet rusak kalo diatas 37C terus2an….

Pembanding, Ioniq yg didinginin air via AC aja di 34C dah mulai kick off, terus alergi betul dia diatas 37C, begitu 37C ditendang balik ke 33C dengan upaya apapun dalam waktu singkat, dan kayaknya range operating tempnya dijaga di 33C….
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Bibieight wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:22 Sumpah gundul saya ndak nakut2in yg mau beli Zenix hibrid ya :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: , nemu disini :

https://web.facebook.com/11072149031953 ... rdc=1&_rdr

Sama di grup Prius ada jg yg main2 OBD :

https://priuschat.com/threads/hybrid-ba ... ol.228265/

Sy kutip yg penting aja :

Air is being blow by centrifugal fan, it has 6 speed in total.
-Speed 1-2 when battery temp above 37’c (so slow you can’t even hear the fan sucking air. Most of the time can’t even hear the fan is spinning when temp is 38’c)
-Speed 2-3 when temp hit 39.7’c (your hybrid system will automatically limit the charge from your regenerative braking and max charge. At this speed Prius C has better efficiency due to lesser number of batteries and the larger size of the centrifugal fan has advantages over other models)
-Speed 3-4 Temp reaches 42’c (regenerative braking & Max charge is further limit. IR value start to raise cause charging\discharging less efficient. Operating at this temp will cause permanent damage overtime)
-Speed 4-5 Temp reaches 45’c (now at this temp you start to notice the usable throttle for EV is so limited where a little pedal to the throttle will engage the engine. Camry Hybrid has the least efficient cooling and it is common for a 3 years old battery to operate at this temp)
-Speed 5-6 Temp reaches 48’c (your car is now less responsive, when temp reaches 50’c hybrid system is now only limit to supply enough energy to just entire car’s electrical components thus resulting your engine to be constantly running even at traffic stop)

Semoga algoritma Zenix dah diupdate ya, jd kick di 30C, dan kalo masih ditaruh dibawah jok dan pendingin udara ada jalur khusus dari kabin ke batere.
Soalnya ngeri aja kipas baru nyala di 37C, secara angin kan bukan penghantar panas yg baik, terus dia baru dethrothling arusnya di 42C, dan kalo diliat di grafik (yg di Priuschat), kayaknya dia dipantengnya di 37C-45C, lha padahal lithium ion kan cepet rusak kalo diatas 37C terus2an….

Pembanding, Ioniq yg didinginin air via AC aja di 34C dah mulai kick off, terus alergi betul dia diatas 37C, begitu 37C ditendang balik ke 33C dengan upaya apapun dalam waktu singkat, dan kayaknya range operating tempnya dijaga di 33C….
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Bibieight wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:22 Sumpah gundul saya ndak nakut2in yg mau beli Zenix hibrid ya :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: , nemu disini :

https://web.facebook.com/11072149031953 ... rdc=1&_rdr

Sama di grup Prius ada jg yg main2 OBD :

https://priuschat.com/threads/hybrid-ba ... ol.228265/

Sy kutip yg penting aja :

Air is being blow by centrifugal fan, it has 6 speed in total.
-Speed 1-2 when battery temp above 37’c (so slow you can’t even hear the fan sucking air. Most of the time can’t even hear the fan is spinning when temp is 38’c)
-Speed 2-3 when temp hit 39.7’c (your hybrid system will automatically limit the charge from your regenerative braking and max charge. At this speed Prius C has better efficiency due to lesser number of batteries and the larger size of the centrifugal fan has advantages over other models)
-Speed 3-4 Temp reaches 42’c (regenerative braking & Max charge is further limit. IR value start to raise cause charging\discharging less efficient. Operating at this temp will cause permanent damage overtime)
-Speed 4-5 Temp reaches 45’c (now at this temp you start to notice the usable throttle for EV is so limited where a little pedal to the throttle will engage the engine. Camry Hybrid has the least efficient cooling and it is common for a 3 years old battery to operate at this temp)
-Speed 5-6 Temp reaches 48’c (your car is now less responsive, when temp reaches 50’c hybrid system is now only limit to supply enough energy to just entire car’s electrical components thus resulting your engine to be constantly running even at traffic stop)

Semoga algoritma Zenix dah diupdate ya, jd kick di 30C, dan kalo masih ditaruh dibawah jok dan pendingin udara ada jalur khusus dari kabin ke batere.
Soalnya ngeri aja kipas baru nyala di 37C, secara angin kan bukan penghantar panas yg baik, terus dia baru dethrothling arusnya di 42C, dan kalo diliat di grafik (yg di Priuschat), kayaknya dia dipantengnya di 37C-45C, lha padahal lithium ion kan cepet rusak kalo diatas 37C terus2an….

Pembanding, Ioniq yg didinginin air via AC aja di 34C dah mulai kick off, terus alergi betul dia diatas 37C, begitu 37C ditendang balik ke 33C dengan upaya apapun dalam waktu singkat, dan kayaknya range operating tempnya dijaga di 33C….
pantes punya camry hybrid dl cepet mampus :big_slap:

ngomong2 batre hybrid series/paralel konvensional gini tuh malah rentan rusak ya om kl coolingnya kacrut. udah batre kecil, dihajar panas charging jg terus-terusan.

ya gak heran kicks cewe ane jg ngalamin ngedrop. apalagi batu makam cm ngandelin air cooling kan :big_slap:

makanya ane lbh support PHEV battery good for 40-50 km dalem kota ud lebih dari cukup sisanya pake bensin hajar buat luar kota gak takut range + performanya kyk setan rav4 phev 7 detik 0-100 :mky_03:
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Bibieight wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:22 Sumpah gundul saya ndak nakut2in yg mau beli Zenix hibrid ya :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: , nemu disini :

https://web.facebook.com/11072149031953 ... rdc=1&_rdr

Sama di grup Prius ada jg yg main2 OBD :

https://priuschat.com/threads/hybrid-ba ... ol.228265/

Sy kutip yg penting aja :

Air is being blow by centrifugal fan, it has 6 speed in total.
-Speed 1-2 when battery temp above 37’c (so slow you can’t even hear the fan sucking air. Most of the time can’t even hear the fan is spinning when temp is 38’c)
-Speed 2-3 when temp hit 39.7’c (your hybrid system will automatically limit the charge from your regenerative braking and max charge. At this speed Prius C has better efficiency due to lesser number of batteries and the larger size of the centrifugal fan has advantages over other models)
-Speed 3-4 Temp reaches 42’c (regenerative braking & Max charge is further limit. IR value start to raise cause charging\discharging less efficient. Operating at this temp will cause permanent damage overtime)
-Speed 4-5 Temp reaches 45’c (now at this temp you start to notice the usable throttle for EV is so limited where a little pedal to the throttle will engage the engine. Camry Hybrid has the least efficient cooling and it is common for a 3 years old battery to operate at this temp)
-Speed 5-6 Temp reaches 48’c (your car is now less responsive, when temp reaches 50’c hybrid system is now only limit to supply enough energy to just entire car’s electrical components thus resulting your engine to be constantly running even at traffic stop)

Semoga algoritma Zenix dah diupdate ya, jd kick di 30C, dan kalo masih ditaruh dibawah jok dan pendingin udara ada jalur khusus dari kabin ke batere.
Soalnya ngeri aja kipas baru nyala di 37C, secara angin kan bukan penghantar panas yg baik, terus dia baru dethrothling arusnya di 42C, dan kalo diliat di grafik (yg di Priuschat), kayaknya dia dipantengnya di 37C-45C, lha padahal lithium ion kan cepet rusak kalo diatas 37C terus2an….

Pembanding, Ioniq yg didinginin air via AC aja di 34C dah mulai kick off, terus alergi betul dia diatas 37C, begitu 37C ditendang balik ke 33C dengan upaya apapun dalam waktu singkat, dan kayaknya range operating tempnya dijaga di 33C….

liat aja garansinya berani berapa taon kalo naek 8-10thn si boleh juga :big_think:

cuma balik lagi ya garansi 10thn 150.000km juga tricky di pake kuda pecut dalam 5thn 200.000km artinya ud gak garansi gak di pake juga rugi donk namanya mobil batre harus nguli biar gak rugi :big_think:

kesimpulannya boleh juga si dibeli :big_think:

yang bensin nonhybrid 2000cc :ngacir:
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Kayanya gara2 Zenix ini harga Innova bekas jadi nahan bener, demand nya ya masih banyak.
Bantingan nya yang menarik di compare vs yang lama.
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Liat aja nanti lebih laku mana antara bensin biasa vs hybrid :big_biglaugh:
Kalo lebih laku hybrid kan nanti 5-8 thn kemudian lumayan nambah cuan lg selain jualan mobil, jualan batere jg :mky_03:
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grimjow wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:04 Kayanya gara2 Zenix ini harga Innova bekas jadi nahan bener, demand nya ya masih banyak.
Bantingan nya yang menarik di compare vs yang lama.
Saya lagi nyesel oom, yg saya pKe tuker tambah Ioniq koq ya yang 2GD :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry: :big_cry: …. Ini kalo liat spek aja, yg full bensin matic-nya tarikannya kayak 2GD ndak sih ?, kalo kayak 1TR-FE :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored: ….
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kendibocor wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:38 Liat aja nanti lebih laku mana antara bensin biasa vs hybrid :big_biglaugh:
Kalo lebih laku hybrid kan nanti 5-8 thn kemudian lumayan nambah cuan lg selain jualan mobil, jualan batere jg :mky_03:
Menarik sih kl liat corolla cross udh cm jualan hybrid yg bensin ga ada lg, corolla sedan gt jg ga ya lupa saya

Cm kl udh kena mbl hybrid dan rasain irit tanpa takut mogok2 gara2 abis listrik enak sih

sayang ga phev. Kl plug in itu mesin bensin bisa2 ga kepake jg wkwk
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Tantangan mobil hybrid/EV di indo sih ya:
1. Goncangan jalan jelek (luar Jawa) mudah2an isolation batere nya bagus.
2. Suhu d siang hari bisa sampe 38-39 d musim kemarau (5-6 bulan), apalagi macet, d atas kena matahari di bawah kena pancaran panas aspal.
3. Jalanan masi berdebu parah (potensi nyumbat fan cooling batere, macam d system Toyota)
4. Kelembapan tinggi bisa 97-98%. Mempengaruhi umur batere and corrossion d connector2 super sensitive.
5. Lack of tenaga ahli dan tools buat diagnosis dan perbaikan.

Mudah2an technologi udah ok skrg buat cegah hal2 d atas.
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ac235287 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:57 Tantangan mobil hybrid/EV di indo sih ya:
1. Goncangan jalan jelek (luar Jawa) mudah2an isolation batere nya bagus.
2. Suhu d siang hari bisa sampe 38-39 d musim kemarau (5-6 bulan), apalagi macet, d atas kena matahari di bawah kena pancaran panas aspal.
3. Jalanan masi berdebu parah (potensi nyumbat fan cooling batere, macam d system Toyota)
4. Kelembapan tinggi bisa 97-98%. Mempengaruhi umur batere and corrossion d connector2 super sensitive.
5. Lack of tenaga ahli dan tools buat diagnosis dan perbaikan.

Mudah2an technologi udah ok skrg buat cegah hal2 d atas.
Klo dilihat dr sdm teknisi, yg paling siap untuk poin" di atas baru HMI deh :mky_03:

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ac235287 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:57 Tantangan mobil hybrid/EV di indo sih ya:
1. Goncangan jalan jelek (luar Jawa) mudah2an isolation batere nya bagus.
2. Suhu d siang hari bisa sampe 38-39 d musim kemarau (5-6 bulan), apalagi macet, d atas kena matahari di bawah kena pancaran panas aspal.
3. Jalanan masi berdebu parah (potensi nyumbat fan cooling batere, macam d system Toyota)
4. Kelembapan tinggi bisa 97-98%. Mempengaruhi umur batere and corrossion d connector2 super sensitive.
5. Lack of tenaga ahli dan tools buat diagnosis dan perbaikan.

Mudah2an technologi udah ok skrg buat cegah hal2 d atas.
Keburu patah pinggang nya driver, daripada baterai rusak karena guncangan.
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ilhami wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:02
ac235287 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:57 Tantangan mobil hybrid/EV di indo sih ya:
1. Goncangan jalan jelek (luar Jawa) mudah2an isolation batere nya bagus.
2. Suhu d siang hari bisa sampe 38-39 d musim kemarau (5-6 bulan), apalagi macet, d atas kena matahari di bawah kena pancaran panas aspal.
3. Jalanan masi berdebu parah (potensi nyumbat fan cooling batere, macam d system Toyota)
4. Kelembapan tinggi bisa 97-98%. Mempengaruhi umur batere and corrossion d connector2 super sensitive.
5. Lack of tenaga ahli dan tools buat diagnosis dan perbaikan.

Mudah2an technologi udah ok skrg buat cegah hal2 d atas.
Keburu patah pinggang nya driver, daripada baterai rusak karena guncangan.
Pinggang driver bisa recovery.
Batre? Ganti baru...dengan, atau tanpa garansi :big_biglaugh:
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Soalnya ini kita masuk k ranah mobil populer d indo, kita kenal nya kan Innova mobil MPV sejuta umat, mobil legend. Kalo Altis, Corolla cross, hyundai listrik/hybrid kan volume nya jauh d bawah Innova dan jarang juga sampe ke luar Jawa.

Better Toyota kasi full garansi 5 tahun buat whole system dan 10 tahun buat batere&motor.
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ilhami wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:02 Keburu patah pinggang nya driver, daripada baterai rusak karena guncangan.
keknya keburu batrenya yang jebol karena usia dibanding karena guncangan :mky_07:

cuma hati2x kalo bajir, terutama kena aer laut batre dan karat bukan teman baik :big_bored:
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b0ku wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22
ilhami wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:02 Keburu patah pinggang nya driver, daripada baterai rusak karena guncangan.
keknya keburu batrenya yang jebol karena usia dibanding karena guncangan :mky_07:

cuma hati2x kalo bajir, terutama kena aer laut batre dan karat bukan teman baik :big_bored:
:big_think: :big_think: :big_think: iya juga ya, kalo baterenya pendingin udara kan memang ada intake dan outtake-nya, bisa jadi jalur masuknya air nih.

Yg kita belun tau itu batere ditaruh dimana. Kalo yg Cross hybrid kan taruh bawah jok kedua, , cukup liat 5 menit pertama, itu udara ditiup blower dr kiri, masuk kotak batere, terus keluar dari kanan lsg keluar kabin (kyknya si langsung ke spakbor belakang ya ?).

Nah kalo si zenix sama berarti kalo banjir air ndak boleh masuk kabin dan perlu cek ketinggian outtake dr blower, semoga si injinir Toyota cukup paham kearifan lokal dimari, jd di outtake-nya dipasangin one way valve, cuma bisa keluar ndak isa masuk.
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Bibieight wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:06
:big_think: :big_think: :big_think: iya juga ya, kalo baterenya pendingin udara kan memang ada intake dan outtake-nya, bisa jadi jalur masuknya air nih.

Yg kita belun tau itu batere ditaruh dimana. Kalo yg Cross hybrid kan taruh bawah jok kedua, , cukup liat 5 menit pertama, itu udara ditiup blower dr kiri, masuk kotak batere, terus keluar dari kanan lsg keluar kabin (kyknya si langsung ke spakbor belakang ya ?).

Nah kalo si zenix sama berarti kalo banjir air ndak boleh masuk kabin dan perlu cek ketinggian outtake dr blower, semoga si injinir Toyota cukup paham kearifan lokal dimari, jd di outtake-nya dipasangin one way valve, cuma bisa keluar ndak isa masuk.
kalo hybrid bukanya biasa ada di atas chasisnya ya kalo pure ev itu biasanya ada di chasisnya :big_think:

ya selama gak kelelep kena interior sih hybrid aman2x aja yang bahaya itu EV nerabas pun ud kena tuh cover batrenya :big_think:
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b0ku wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:17
Bibieight wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:06
:big_think: :big_think: :big_think: iya juga ya, kalo baterenya pendingin udara kan memang ada intake dan outtake-nya, bisa jadi jalur masuknya air nih.

Yg kita belun tau itu batere ditaruh dimana. Kalo yg Cross hybrid kan taruh bawah jok kedua, , cukup liat 5 menit pertama, itu udara ditiup blower dr kiri, masuk kotak batere, terus keluar dari kanan lsg keluar kabin (kyknya si langsung ke spakbor belakang ya ?).

Nah kalo si zenix sama berarti kalo banjir air ndak boleh masuk kabin dan perlu cek ketinggian outtake dr blower, semoga si injinir Toyota cukup paham kearifan lokal dimari, jd di outtake-nya dipasangin one way valve, cuma bisa keluar ndak isa masuk.
kalo hybrid bukanya biasa ada di atas chasisnya ya kalo pure ev itu biasanya ada di chasisnya :big_think:

ya selama gak kelelep kena interior sih hybrid aman2x aja yang bahaya itu EV nerabas pun ud kena tuh cover batrenya :big_think:
Bener, tp kayaknya kotaknya didesain jd kapal selam, itu si Wuling pas GIIAS kan pamernya dicelup di bak air, paling yg lama2 kalah connectornya. Nah ini kayaknya yg perlu dicek itu hawa keluarnya dimana, kl masuknya jelas di kabin dan air masuk kabin kl parkirannya kebanjiran, kalo masuk kabin gara2 nrobos banjir si asuransi seringnya ndak mau gantiin
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Bibieight wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:44
Bener, tp kayaknya kotaknya didesain jd kapal selam, itu si Wuling pas GIIAS kan pamernya dicelup di bak air, paling yg lama2 kalah connectornya. Nah ini kayaknya yg perlu dicek itu hawa keluarnya dimana, kl masuknya jelas di kabin dan air masuk kabin kl parkirannya kebanjiran, kalo masuk kabin gara2 nrobos banjir si asuransi seringnya ndak mau gantiin
troublenya bukan pas hari nerobos om tapi ntarannya jd kalo di hajar banjir itu ibarat kek ngasih virus gak tau kapan kumatnya bisa aja malah gak kumat cuma begitu kumat bahaya kalo cuma koit sih gpp :mky_03:

ya kayak ge8 saya juga gitu saya kepakasa hajar gpp bertaun2x kemudian kumat :big_biglaugh: untung cuma dinamo stater doank isinya karatan :mky_03:

yang bahaya itu aer yang kejebak gak bisa keluar berhari2x om masuk sela2x qtynya dikit tapi bisa bikin karat sama lebab akhirnya bikin jamur :mky_01:

soalnya tahun ini baru another reveal ternyata lebih parah dari yang saya tau dikira kalo kena banjir cuma konslet terus mati doank, ternyata konslet terus nyala dan kumatnya bisa berhari2x pasca kerendem :big_slap:
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corrr bocorrrr

lucu nih dual zone bukan kiri kanan, tapi depan belakang :big_biglaugh:

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detail lain......


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Hari ini launching ya.. :big_think: Kita liat tingkat hypenya segimana
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Wah gak ada duanya (lagi) deh :weekk:
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darrelund wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:10 corrr bocorrrr

lucu nih dual zone bukan kiri kanan, tapi depan belakang :big_biglaugh:


Ternyata bukan tampang eksterior aja yang mirip CRV. Tuh penempatan tuas transmisi juga mirip CRV. Ga ada TSS ya kalau liat area dudukan spion tengah.