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Waduh..

Afaik dan cmiiw nih om.. kl L319 mercedes (yg trakir sy msh liat sputaran Karawang jaman 95an) itu ngga disebut robur heehehe.. ntah kl dlm persepsi om puskas itulah si robur :D hehe..

Yg dipanggil robur memang bntuknya mirip sih.. sama2 bunder2 dpan blakang..
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Lotec itu bukannya bengkel mercedes yang sangat oke di jakarta dan semarang?
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Ane penasaran ama harga2 part merc lama dibawah tahun 98an...katanya 11-14 ama part jepun harganya..malah ada yg lebih murah biarpun beberapa ada yg aga mahalan tp sepadan

Macam part2 300e...kan dia jetronic semi injeksi by bosch...penasaran
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Yg pasti 1 hal dr mercedes.. nutup pintu bunyinya khas.. 'JLEGGG'... bukan 'BLEBBB'kek jepangan hehe..

Apalagi G klasse.. feelnya beda banget. Berasa secure banget, tank solid, built to last..
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Nightster Guy wrote:Yg pasti 1 hal dr mercedes.. nutup pintu bunyinya khas.. 'JLEGGG'... bukan 'BLEBBB'kek jepangan hehe..

Apalagi G klasse.. feelnya beda banget. Berasa secure banget, tank solid, built to last..
Yupp... 1 hal ini yang nggak berubah dari generasi ke generasi... Kualitas & teknologi boleh berubah2 tapi suara tutup pintu tetap sama solidnya :mky_02:
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Pernah nemu 1 mercy pontoon di bawah sebuah rumah panggung di manado, dusty, njogrok, yg ane kagum banget yg lsg keliatan dan terasa:

1) krom di gril dan list kaca tetep minim karat walau badly deteriorated ama fungus dan kerak.

2) saat coba buka pintu, emeizing.. bisa buka tutup msh dgn sempurna termasuk tombol di handlenya, dan masih 'JLEEGGG'... mobil umur stengah abad.

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Foto saya ini kok dicuekin sih :big_cry:
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Ini bukan salah satu masterpiece Mercy ya? :big_cry:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Pernah nemu 1 mercy pontoon di bawah sebuah rumah panggung di manado, dusty, njogrok, yg ane kagum banget yg lsg keliatan dan terasa:

1) krom di gril dan list kaca tetep minim karat walau badly deteriorated ama fungus dan kerak.

2) saat coba buka pintu, emeizing.. bisa buka tutup msh dgn sempurna termasuk tombol di handlenya, dan masih 'JLEEGGG'... mobil umur stengah abad.

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axala wrote:Ane penasaran ama harga2 part merc lama dibawah tahun 98an...katanya 11-14 ama part jepun harganya..malah ada yg lebih murah biarpun beberapa ada yg aga mahalan tp sepadan

Macam part2 300e...kan dia jetronic semi injeksi by bosch...penasaran
biar lebih spesifik, mobil jepang apa yg mau dibandingkan dengan 300e?

dengan kelas, cc, harga rilis yg sepadan di era nya.

biar membandingkannya apple to apple, jangan nanti boxer dibandingkan dengan carry :)
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aduh mulus amat itu merc nya om arto
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artoodetoo wrote:Foto saya ini kok dicuekin sih :big_cry:
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Ini bukan salah satu masterpiece Mercy ya? :big_cry:
Sabar2 om r2d2 :cupss:
IMO masterpiece sih.
Tapi akan lebih masterpiece jika anda mendapatkannya :upss: :upss:
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rasanya buat dptin di indonesia chancenya ampir 0..
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artoodetoo wrote:Foto saya ini kok dicuekin sih :big_cry:
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Ini bukan salah satu masterpiece Mercy ya? :big_cry:
Tridnya mayan kenceng om jd mhon maklum kl byk yg kelewat heeehehehe...

Ini mercy ponton. Masterpiece kok. Produk 'massal' mercedes pertama after ww2. 'regular'nya mercedes era itu yg jg lg jualan hi end macem w19x 300 adenauer dan w198 300 sport licht gullwing.

Sumbangan signifikan si ponton dlm sejarah otomotif? Dia mobil PERTAMA di dunia yg didesain dgn safety crumple zone.

Soal historis, agak ribet jg njelasin gimana kasta dia di silsilah clan mercedes.

Dia bisa ditaruh di e klasse bisa juga di s klasse, trgntung mesinnya, walau bodi sama. Nah lu bingung kan? Diferensiasi kelas di mercedes saat itu memang ngga setegas saat w116 barong berdampingan ama w114/115 mini, s klasse dan e klasse.

:mky_01:

Generasi penerusnya ponton, si fintail/heckflosse/batman pun kadang diklasifikasikan sbg e klasse kadang s klasse, trgantung mesin dan nomenclature (baca: badge) nya.

Silsilah s vs e baru jelas jaman barong vs mini.

*geser mic ke om rubble sebelum dilempar selop krn sotoy...
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VEB robur-werke zittau dari ddr (jerman timur komunis) dgn logo crankshaft dulu masuk via dua cara

pt imer (international motoring enterprise incorporation, dulunya nv imer motors autohandel mij ) alm.bujung vietry (sole agent robur, skoda, tatra-t87 dan stout) di waru sidoarjo ckd model LD2202 a (a= allrad/allwheeldrive, permanent 4wd; ld= luftgekuhlter dieselmotor/air-cooled diesel engine) 70ps diesel engined, safari trim, side-panoramic roof yg sampai th74 sering layani medan kabanjahe route, RHD ada 300 units dgn fleet user besar pd.ppd (100 units) dan alri termasuk kko-al (100 units) dan kopasgat-auri (50). model ini dibuat 2+1 seat configuration per row

inremco th60 cbu LO1800 (rear wheeldrive, 3.9L air-cooled 60ps petrol, lo= luftgekuhlter ottomotor) passenger coach, semua LHD dgn 2+2seat per row. import package ini adalah utk damri (50) dan adri (50) dan kogam (50, awd truck dgn pto winch, single-manholed roof piece plus gunpod modified by dinas-c pindad). bgt shipment sampai di tanjung priok sempat ada complaint dr end-users krn passenger access ada di kanan tapi complaint berhenti ssdh satu jenderal bintang empat turun tangan

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Nightster Guy wrote:
mercy ponton. Masterpiece kok. Produk 'massal' mercedes pertama after ww2. 'regular'nya mercedes era itu yg jg lg jualan hi end macem w19x 300 adenauer dan w198 300 sport licht gullwing.

Sumbangan signifikan si ponton dlm sejarah otomotif? Dia mobil PERTAMA di dunia yg didesain dgn safety crumple zone.
...enerasi penerusnya ponton, si fintail/heckflosse/batman pun kadang diklasifikasikan sbg e klasse kadang s klasse, trgantung mesin dan nomenclature (baca: badge) nya.

Silsilah s vs e baru jelas jaman barong vs mini.

*geser mic ke om rubble sebelum dilempar selop krn sotoy...
sdh betul (sy mulai tau cara dia merendah meski smua tau mutu info dia tinggi) n gambar ponton itu US version yg telihat dr under-headlamp blinker dan bumper shape yg lebih menonjol.

betul ponton adalah pioneer dlm crumple zone design krn meski dia semi monocogue tapi tetap dibuat crossmember di bawah engine n trunk compartment utk energy absorbent bila ada front maupun rear impact. bentuk crossmember (sub frame) yg mirip ponton bridge construction itu yg bikin dia punya nick name "ponton". meski sebagian org sebut bhw itu krn body shape yg revolutionary contradictive design trend yg umumnya masih meletakkan headlamp diatas front fender yg berfungsi sbg wheel arch

sebetulnya "s" title benz masa itu diluar (konrad)adenauer benz platform lbh mrp marketing gimmick agar bisa masuk upper class segment sementara lower middle class mau beli krn psyche feel bhw itu underpriced over quality products. jaman itu hrs approval us-led allied high commission, automotive industrial sector yg pd praktek nya tdk mau jerman (barat) buat mobil dgn dimensi full-sized us car

industrial authority under allied high commission juga punya kewenangan menentukan unit spec tiap automotive product agar lucury trim level tidak lebih baik maupun sama dg premium us car masa itu. full automatic transmission juga hanya di bolehkan sbg std pada adenauer benz family sehingga lower type hanya bisa jual auto trans sbg optional ataupun aftermarket

bangsa aryan (german, iranian, northern-india) punya takdir sbg manusia yg mengatur n bukan di atur sehingga mrk percaya bhw meski premium spec di batasi pasti ada cara lain spy market taste menerima products mrk sehingga ponton (read: pawn tawn) tanpa luxury level setara us car products dibuat "panzerised" in terms of safety n suspension comfort n strategy mrk berhasil

strategy lain adalah pricing policy contoh nya adenauer benz platform yg ratarata dijual brandnew 50% cheaper than basic trim cadillac masa itu
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newrubble wrote:VEB robur-werke zittau dari ddr (jerman timur komunis) dgn logo crankshaft dulu masuk via dua cara

pt imer (international motoring enterprise incorporation, dulunya nv imer motors autohandel mij ) alm.bujung vietry (sole agent robur, skoda, tatra-t87 dan stout) di waru sidoarjo ckd model LD2202

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Wait waittt... IMER? Sby waru? Udah saya duga itu bekas pabrik mobil djadoel..

Dulu rute dagangan sy sby-sidoarjo selalu lewat waru, ada bangunan megah 2 lantai lawas dgn halamn superrrduperluas.. di lantai atas selalu nampak semacam mini gallery mobil vintage (kliatan dr jauh krn dinding kaca), lalu di teras lobi selalu ada mercedes 280GE SWB ijo alpukat yg posisi parkirnya nyaris selalu identik titiknya, kondisi estede pabrikan.

Skarang udah jd hypermarket Giant.

:ungg:

Om rubble thx so much detail soal IMER dan Robur buses.
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IMER? :ungg: :ungg:
Dulu pernah lihat IMER itu pas ke juanda lama :ungg:
Sekarang jadi Hypermarket Giant dan sebelahnya Giant itu McD :ungg:

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imer di sita diktator th 67 dan robur sole agency di alihkan sefihak ke pn persero imc (indonesian motor company) termasuk aro (romanian brand) cbu yg dipegang alm bujung via firma intan (dulu di jln wijaya-I! dekat corner jln tendean) termasuk waru facility warisan bpk nya (sy lupa nama nya, bujung keburu mati sblm sy sempat tanya itu)

n thn 1974 waru facility dibeli pt unicor prima (pung lubis) n 1977 sempat ckd 350 units mazda b2200 petrol ute. ssdh itu jadi dealership maxda under pt unicor (sampai thn 80, kalo sy ke surabaya n diajak naik bus, tiap x berhenti di depan situ, kondektur bus selalu triak...mazda, mazda n artinya sy sdh sampai n landy / gaz dari mess auri juanda sdh parkir di situ. siap antar sy balik ke airport juanda

kalo lokasi persero imc itu di jakarta di jalan mt haryono. tepat nya itu lahan kosong sesudah mazda jakarta timur (dulu ford jaktim, dulu lagi itu irmc) dan sebelum otista ramp. lahan kosong yg ada plang "rni" itu stockyard dan di kiri otista ramp yg bekas heidelberg assembly facility itu dulu imc ckd plant
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@Bro newrubble : Salute untuk ensiklopedia sejarah otomotif indonesia (bahkan dunia) & terutama seputaran jakarta... ane banyak terbengong2 baca nya sambil nambah2 banyak ilmu dari share bro newrubble... Lanjutkan..Bro.. Makasih..

@Bro Nightster Guy : Tempo hari ane pernah tanya Bro stay dimana saat banyak liat Prado J120...tapi engga di jawab2...hehehe...
ane baca2 di trit ini ternyata Bro Nightster Guy stay @Timor Leste yah..? Benar atau Salah..?
Pengalaman Ane pernah ke TimTim 1992 - 1993 .. selama 6 bulan Stay @Dili, mobile ke Liquica & Manatuto... engga pernah liat Prado..
Ane banyak diajakan jalan2 ke peloksok dengan diantar Defender TNI yg pake Kanvas itu.. Kalo ga ane carter Taxi Chevrolet LUV hehehe... saat itu ane baru lulus Sma Lho..

Maap OOT..
Lanjut Mercedes nya Bro.. Sambil berharap suatu hari bisa memiliki si three pointed star itu...
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chevy luv sedan convert taxi di TL itu semua ex koperasi taxi jakarta yg dulu di jakarta two tone. pastelgreen solid orange. di jual sbg taxi di tl jaman penjajahan indo (thn 91-92) seharga rp.2juta sebelum semua di ganti dai charrade sedan th.95

skrg umumnya taxi sono pakai 2005 nissan sunny yg jendela nya pada macet

sory bicara yg bukan clasic benz
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F 272 wrote:
@Bro Nightster Guy : Tempo hari ane pernah tanya Bro stay dimana saat banyak liat Prado J120...tapi engga di jawab2...hehehe...
ane baca2 di trit ini ternyata Bro Nightster Guy stay @Timor Leste yah..? Benar atau Salah..?
Pengalaman Ane pernah ke TimTim 1992 - 1993 .. selama 6 bulan Stay @Dili, mobile ke Liquica & Manatuto... engga pernah liat Prado..
Ane banyak diajakan jalan2 ke peloksok dengan diantar Defender TNI yg pake Kanvas itu.. Kalo ga ane carter Taxi Chevrolet LUV hehehe... saat itu ane baru lulus Sma Lho..

Maap OOT..
Lanjut Mercedes nya Bro.. Sambil berharap suatu hari bisa memiliki si three pointed star itu...
Ampun oooom sampe lupa dijawab soal domisili itu..

Abis referendum dan setelah merdeka beneran, keran impor mobil (baru/second) dr luar dibuka bebas di TL om, mostly dr jepang, ostrali, singapur. Jadinya mobil2 aneh (utk ukuran indo) yg skrg mayoritas di sini, prado lc pajero itu sgt mayoritas utk suv, fortuner cm belasan, pasport almost zero population sejauh yg sy alami. Kebetulan sy udah masuk ke seluruh 13 district (provinsi) nya TL sampe naik kapal sgala ke Oecusse/Pante Macassar, jd bs ngamatin.

Yup btul om rubble taxinya mostly nissan sunny bobrok tanpa ac, great corolla, allnew corolla, civic genio ferio, 2-3 unit nissan micra unyu2 wwkwkwk.. sistem bajaj tawar2an, boro2 argo, dan gilanya kl taxi seatnya blom full, driver berhak cari pnumpang lain yg searah/nyaris searah ama kita..

:wkkk:

Back to old benzes..
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Nightster Guy wrote:
F 272 wrote:
@Bro Nightster Guy : Tempo hari ane pernah tanya Bro stay dimana saat banyak liat Prado J120...tapi engga di jawab2...hehehe...
ane baca2 di trit ini ternyata Bro Nightster Guy stay @Timor Leste yah..? Benar atau Salah..?
Pengalaman Ane pernah ke TimTim 1992 - 1993 .. selama 6 bulan Stay @Dili, mobile ke Liquica & Manatuto... engga pernah liat Prado..
Ane banyak diajakan jalan2 ke peloksok dengan diantar Defender TNI yg pake Kanvas itu.. Kalo ga ane carter Taxi Chevrolet LUV hehehe... saat itu ane baru lulus Sma Lho..

Maap OOT..
Lanjut Mercedes nya Bro.. Sambil berharap suatu hari bisa memiliki si three pointed star itu...
Ampun oooom sampe lupa dijawab soal domisili itu..

Abis referendum dan setelah merdeka beneran, keran impor mobil (baru/second) dr luar dibuka bebas di TL om, mostly dr jepang, ostrali, singapur. Jadinya mobil2 aneh (utk ukuran indo) yg skrg mayoritas di sini, prado lc pajero itu sgt mayoritas utk suv, fortuner cm belasan, pasport almost zero population sejauh yg sy alami. Kebetulan sy udah masuk ke seluruh 13 district (provinsi) nya TL sampe naik kapal sgala ke Oecusse/Pante Macassar, jd bs ngamatin.

Yup btul om rubble taxinya mostly nissan sunny bobrok tanpa ac, great corolla, allnew corolla, civic genio ferio, 2-3 unit nissan micra unyu2 wwkwkwk.. sistem bajaj tawar2an, boro2 argo, dan gilanya kl taxi seatnya blom full, driver berhak cari pnumpang lain yg searah/nyaris searah ama kita..

:wkkk:

Back to old benzes..
Mampir lg bentar ah...
Oooohh keran import itu dibuka stelah Referendum yah, ane engga pernah ke sana lagi sih sejak pulang th. 1993 itu
Yang ane ingat malam Xanana Gusmao tertangkap di Dili, ane saat itu tengah berada di kampung nya doi yaitu Manatuto..
Ane sedikit nekat charter Taxi Luv dari Dili jam 3 sore..sampe Mantuto tegah malem hujan besar, gelap dan setiap mau lewati jembatan itu sopir musti turun hujan2an di tegah gelapnya hutan untuk memastikan jembatan nya bisa aman dilewati apa engga.. :frm_bang_head: tapi syukurnya ane selamat sampe Manatuto.. (Padahal GPK dimana2..)

Lucu nya Xanana saat itu di buru sebagai ketua Gpk fretilin oleh banyak batalyon yg beroperasi di Tim-tim, salah satu nya yon 744 ..ane banyak kenal & sering diajak jalan2 oleh Yon744 pake Defender ke peloksok...Tapi.. setelah waktu berlalu sekian tahun.. ada teman baik ane jadi DanYon 744 itu.. dan sering Menyambut, mengamankan ( dan :frm_salut: tentu nya) kepada Xanana Gusmao kalo dia berkunjung ke atambua.. karena saat ini posisi nya berubah dari Gpk menjadi seorang PM TL / Mantan Presiden TL.. sebuah bukti : Dunia itu memang berputar yah... :ngacir:

Back to old benzes..
Jadi kalo misal ane mau beli Benz E-series, baik nya ambil yg Coupe yah..?
& lebih baik lagi yang Soft Top Cabrio... :e-think:
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Apapun benzes yg non regular sedan (notchback/3 boxes), e.g estate (wagon) atau coupe sukur2 convertible, pasti besok2 collectible om heeehehe...

Tp ngga tau yah kl bicara clk atau slk.. mercy2 coupe nanggung gini.. bakal collectible apa ngga.. dunno..
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