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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - PART 07

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cat "bangun" maksud nya gimana oom?
trus dibagian mana nya?
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di bagian depan, bangun seperti melendung berbentuk garis .
terjadi beberapa minggu setelah pengecatan , sudah kering , baru keliatan.
bukan cat oven, cat duco.

biasanya kenapa yah ?
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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - PART 07

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klo boleh tau disebelah mana nya oom?
yg saya tau klo melendung gini, biasa nya karena pengerjaan cat yg kurang rapi..........penjelasan teknis nya kurang tau, tapi bisa karena aplikasi dempul yg kurang pas cmiiw.

coba balikin ke bengkel nya lagi oom, klo masih belum lama mungkin bisa diklaim lagi
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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - PART 07

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di bagian depan krn mobilnya tipe pesek tanpa idung
mungkin sih krn dempul dan epoxy ngga pas
sepertinya cat baru dan lampiran cat lama ngga bersenyawa dengan baik, padahal udah di amplas cat lama nya.

memang mau diblikin lagi , ngecatnya di bengkel pinggiran , bukan di bengkel oven besar, ngga ada duitnya :)
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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - PART 07

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AFAIK. "cat bangun" bisa terjadi krn lapisan cat yg baru kurang senyawa dng lapisan dibawahnya....akhirnya bisa terangkat sendiri meski gak sampe ngelupas krn masih terikat kuat dng sesama layer baru tsb. Biasanya di bagian yg ada dempulan dan ramuan dempul + hardner nya kurang pas (dempulnya kurang kering/keras), atau permukaan yg blm bersih (msh ada sisa2 minyak atau gum) lalu langsung ditimpa cat.

Kalo dah gitu pengecatan mesti diulang lagi, kalo bisa diawasi sm pemilik supaya bs lbh teliti lagi pengerjaannya. Meski catnya nggak oven itu bukan masalah kok, yang penting ruang tempat ngecat cat nya bersih dan usahakan minim debu. Kalo bisa sediakan lampu sorot/spot light untuk memanasi panel yg dicat supaya bs kering, sebab kalo murni mengandalkan sinar matahari hasilnya gak menentu.....kalo lg cerah ya bagus, kalo lg mendung rada surem, bahkan bisa2 clear coat aja sampe lumer

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Re: Car Detailing Lounge - PART 07

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kalau merek dempul yg digunakan pengaruh ngga yah
dempul kan ada yg cepet kering ada yg lama kering dsb
bisa bisa balik semingguan lagi di bengkel cat pinggiran itu yah
kalau di soda api, rontokin semua cat lama , baru di dempul dan di cat ulang, apa bisa lebih sukses yah?

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dempul kan ada bahan tambahannya yg disebut hardner, biasanya dikemas bentuk seperti pasta gigi. Masalah mau cepet kering atau lambat tergantung berapa banyak takaran adonannya.

paling bagus jelas dikerok lagi dan diulang lg proses cat nya, hasilnya akan lbh maksimal ketimbang sekedar menimpa lapisan cat yg lama. Tapi semua jg harus dikerjakan secara teliti.
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iya bro

pusing nih , stress, baru 2 minggu di ambil dari bengkel cat duco pinggiran, bahan cat pake dupont , beli sendiri.
bagian depan , muncul pulau pulau gitu bro.
pada awalnya memang tidak kerok total bro, cuma " di matiin " cat lama nya dengan amplas.

kira kira harus gimana ya bro baiknya dan apa yg bisa saya suggest ke tukang ngecat nya ?


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sebenernya cat ulang dng cara ngamplas cat yg lama itu sudah umum dilakukan dan hasilnya jg masih bisa tetap bagus asal dikerjakan dng baik sesuai prosedurnya. Banyak bengkel yg maunya ngirit bahan & waktu, jadi dr permukaan cat yg lama cuma dilapis cat dasar saja, semestinya tetap dilapis epoxy/primer barulah berlanjut ke proses berikutnya.

saran saya ya bawa kembali ke bengkel itu dan tunjukin cat yg gagal, semestinya bengkel tsb bertanggung jawab untuk mengulang lg proses pengecatannya, tapi untuk bengkel2 kecil yg sederhana kadang sulit juga minta garansi krn alasannya kurang modal lah dll sebagainya :agrue:

minimal minta ongkos kerja gratis deh, bahan dr kita sendiri yg belanja :shrug:
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iyah bro

mau dibawa lagi ke sana, dia ada garansi sih, saya suruh dia tanda tangan kwitansi dengan tulisan bergaransi .
memang dia sering ngomong modal mepet jd ga tau apa bahannya pake yg murahan gitu yah.
padahal bodi dan belakang sih kinclong.
kapan2 saya post fotonya ya bro

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oke lah..met ngecat ulang yaa.. :D
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Maaf bro..

Numpang saran. Untuk cat saran saya slalu sama. Jangan pernah ngejar harga yang terlalu murah, karena akan capek sendiri, setaun dua taun depan uda jelek lagi, scara visual gak enak diliat, mesti ngulang ngecat lagi = boros waktu boros biaya, mobil nginep dibongkar2 lagi, yang mana mendingan dengan biaya yang UJUNG2NYA SAMA AJA, mending ngecat di tempat yang ber SDM dan SOP 'lebih bener'.

Kalo saya, daripada skarang kluar 500 ribu ngecat 1 panel di tempat berkualitas SDM pas2an, taun depan kluar 500 ribu lagi (karena uda jelek lagi), mending 500 ribu yang skarang saya tabung, kumpul sampe 1 juta, bawa ke tempat yang bener. 1x biaya, lebih puas secara hasil akir, biaya sama aja total2nya.

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Nightster Guy wrote:Maaf bro..

Numpang saran. Untuk cat saran saya slalu sama. Jangan pernah ngejar harga yang terlalu murah, karena akan capek sendiri, setaun dua taun depan uda jelek lagi, scara visual gak enak diliat, mesti ngulang ngecat lagi = boros waktu boros biaya, mobil nginep dibongkar2 lagi, yang mana mendingan dengan biaya yang UJUNG2NYA SAMA AJA, mending ngecat di tempat yang ber SDM dan SOP 'lebih bener'.

Kalo saya, daripada skarang kluar 500 ribu ngecat 1 panel di tempat berkualitas SDM pas2an, taun depan kluar 500 ribu lagi (karena uda jelek lagi), mending 500 ribu yang skarang saya tabung, kumpul sampe 1 juta, bawa ke tempat yang bener. 1x biaya, lebih puas secara hasil akir, biaya sama aja total2nya.

Permisi.... :)
klo sy liat nya, ga selalu bengkel cat mahal itu hasil nya bagus, tapi bengkel cat yg bagus udah pasti mahal heheehe :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
kejadian sama saya beberapa waktu lalu, ngecat satu panel (pintu driver) keluar biaya 1 juta (udah sama repair gara2 penyok waktu itu), tapi mesti tertunda sampe 2 minggu gara2 hasil cat ga rata&kasar plus beberapa tempat ada tetesan cat yg mengering gara2 terlalu tebel.

setelah semua itu beres, baru ketauan klo overspray di hampir semua bagian atas :e-wall: :e-wall:
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Nightster Guy wrote:Maaf bro..

Numpang saran. Untuk cat saran saya slalu sama. Jangan pernah ngejar harga yang terlalu murah, karena akan capek sendiri, setaun dua taun depan uda jelek lagi, scara visual gak enak diliat, mesti ngulang ngecat lagi = boros waktu boros biaya, mobil nginep dibongkar2 lagi, yang mana mendingan dengan biaya yang UJUNG2NYA SAMA AJA, mending ngecat di tempat yang ber SDM dan SOP 'lebih bener'.

Kalo saya, daripada skarang kluar 500 ribu ngecat 1 panel di tempat berkualitas SDM pas2an, taun depan kluar 500 ribu lagi (karena uda jelek lagi), mending 500 ribu yang skarang saya tabung, kumpul sampe 1 juta, bawa ke tempat yang bener. 1x biaya, lebih puas secara hasil akir, biaya sama aja total2nya.

Permisi.... :)
saran yang bagus...

kalo acuannya cuma cat 1 panel tentu saja gak terasa terlalu berat, tinggal menabung sedikit lagi untuk bs dikerjakan dibengkel yg terkenal
tapi kalo udah bicara ngecat sebody kan mahal biayanya meski hanya dibengkel sederhana...lantas berapa lama lagi nabungnya supaya cukup dananya untuk dikerjakan di bengkel yg terkenal ?? :D

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thanks buat tips dan ide ide nya bro

coba sabtu saya balikin ke bengkel pinggiran itu, problem memang kalo modal mepet, kadang orangnya jadi asal2 pake bahan dempul dsb apalagi cat nya , karena masih garansi kan ditanggung dia semua tuh.
orangnya memang agak kurang rapih kerja nya, untuk tambahan info aja, kemaren kemaren baru ganti kaca film depan pakai merek spectrum 30 persen, lumayan adem juga ternyata cuma agak gelap dikit aja .

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doq wrote:
Nightster Guy wrote:Maaf bro..

Numpang saran. Untuk cat saran saya slalu sama. Jangan pernah ngejar harga yang terlalu murah, karena akan capek sendiri, setaun dua taun depan uda jelek lagi, scara visual gak enak diliat, mesti ngulang ngecat lagi = boros waktu boros biaya, mobil nginep dibongkar2 lagi, yang mana mendingan dengan biaya yang UJUNG2NYA SAMA AJA, mending ngecat di tempat yang ber SDM dan SOP 'lebih bener'.

Kalo saya, daripada skarang kluar 500 ribu ngecat 1 panel di tempat berkualitas SDM pas2an, taun depan kluar 500 ribu lagi (karena uda jelek lagi), mending 500 ribu yang skarang saya tabung, kumpul sampe 1 juta, bawa ke tempat yang bener. 1x biaya, lebih puas secara hasil akir, biaya sama aja total2nya.

Permisi.... :)
klo sy liat nya, ga selalu bengkel cat mahal itu hasil nya bagus, tapi bengkel cat yg bagus udah pasti mahal heheehe :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
kejadian sama saya beberapa waktu lalu, ngecat satu panel (pintu driver) keluar biaya 1 juta (udah sama repair gara2 penyok waktu itu), tapi mesti tertunda sampe 2 minggu gara2 hasil cat ga rata&kasar plus beberapa tempat ada tetesan cat yg mengering gara2 terlalu tebel.

setelah semua itu beres, baru ketauan klo overspray di hampir semua bagian atas :e-wall: :e-wall:
oh gitu ya fer... diem2 ngecat ditempat lain... huh! patah hatiku... :off_sleep:
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huahhhh dasar kau kura-kura dalam perahu, masa tidak tahu?? yg tempohari "dipantatin" camry waktu sama oom nes itu lhooooo

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poeticmind wrote: oh gitu ya fer... diem2 ngecat ditempat lain... huh! patah hatiku... :off_sleep:
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Hansen wrote:
poeticmind wrote: oh gitu ya fer... diem2 ngecat ditempat lain... huh! patah hatiku... :off_sleep:
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Sepi... Ngeramein dikit ya...

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wah keren... before nya kalah mess sama baleno gue, do... segitu sih masih normal... wkwkwkwk
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baleno elu jadi abu2 pak.. :frm_bang_head:
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sekarang kembali hitam, pak... posisi saat ini xtrail menunggu utk dipoles. hehehe
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saya sibuk pak.. :ngacir:
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santai pak... xtrail setia setiap saat menunggu anda :cupss:
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