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@ad74ya: itu gita gutawa, dibadingan sama wiwid gunawan.. :drinking:
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Wguritno nya manaaaaa
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AD74YA wrote:
jalu wrote:meneer.....ingpo dr kamar sebelah..ktnya VW ckd juga numpang fasilitas suzuki untuk asemblingnya..... :ungg:
berdasar pembicaraan saya dengan ketua marketing VW di IIMS, belum ada yang namanya VW ckd di Indonesia, tetapi namanya SKD (semi-knock down)

kenapa SKD? karena belum ada parts buatan Indonesia yang memenuhi standar VW Germany, jadi di Indonesia hanya Assembling saja untuk saat ini, bahkan baut dan karet buatan Indonesia masih belum di approve kualitasnya.

Dan yang kedua, untuk bagian safety feature yang utama seperti kontrol traksi, sistem rem, dan lain-lain (airbag itu bukan sistem yang utama lho ya, hanya tambahan), tidak akan di approve jika ingin di downgrade. Pun kabarnya untuk airbag untuk melepas curtain airbag untuk downgrade pun belum di approve sampai sekarang karena belum memenuhi standar produksi.

Beda cerita kalau sudah totally CKD, kata beliau ada kemungkinan untuk downgrade dan turun harga.
mantaplah kalo begitu, jadi ga sekadar ngejar untung tapi masih tetap punya batasan standard yang ga bisa diganggu gugat (ujung²nya memang masih susah laku apalagi laris manis di sini).
AD74YA wrote:NAh untuk produksi sendiri (assembling) VW sudah punya pabrik sendiri di Indonesia kan?...
setahu saya masih numpang di indomobil. 2011 katanya mo bangun pabrik sendiri tapi terakhir baca masih belum pasti karena ada lonjakan yang sangat besar di biaya dibanding yang direncanakan pada awalnya. CMIIW
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AD74YA wrote:
jalu wrote:meneer.....ingpo dr kamar sebelah..ktnya VW ckd juga numpang fasilitas suzuki untuk asemblingnya..... :ungg:
berdasar pembicaraan saya dengan ketua marketing VW di IIMS, belum ada yang namanya VW ckd di Indonesia, tetapi namanya SKD (semi-knock down)

kenapa SKD? karena belum ada parts buatan Indonesia yang memenuhi standar VW Germany, jadi di Indonesia hanya Assembling saja untuk saat ini, bahkan baut dan karet buatan Indonesia masih belum di approve kualitasnya.

Dan yang kedua, untuk bagian safety feature yang utama seperti kontrol traksi, sistem rem, dan lain-lain (airbag itu bukan sistem yang utama lho ya, hanya tambahan), tidak akan di approve jika ingin di downgrade. Pun kabarnya untuk airbag untuk melepas curtain airbag untuk downgrade pun belum di approve sampai sekarang karena belum memenuhi standar produksi.

Beda cerita kalau sudah totally CKD, kata beliau ada kemungkinan untuk downgrade dan turun harga.

NAh untuk produksi sendiri (assembling) VW sudah punya pabrik sendiri di Indonesia kan?...
emang standar vw german seperti apa ya?
setahu ane, CKD itu partnya bisa jadi import atau lokal. trus dirakit di sini. jadi gak ada hubugannya dengan part lokal.

tentang part lokal yang belum memenuhi standar vw jerman, emang seperti apa standarnya? bukannya mercy dan toyota, sudah rakitan sini. dengan reliability 2 merk itu, harusnya cukup meyakinkan lho rakitan sini.
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AD74YA wrote:@nes: itu gita gutawa gitu?????
poeticmind wrote:ga ada yg punya foto kizashi iims taun ini? :frm_bang_head:
ada sih.. cuman males uplot.. interiornya masih rahasia..

eksteriornya nggak sesuai seleraku... gembung dan bergelombang sana sini ekteriornya terutama di bagian buritan
bagian bagasi memang agak aneh sih, gue akuin... sayang kenapa body bagasi ga menurun, malah keatas. bagian depan gue paling ga demen bagian foglamp nya cupu banget.. ngingetin sama sx4, damn! gak grill ga ada kesan mobil mahal... padahal potongan cut front view nya udah cukup mewah.

mobil kelas begini ga ada alesan buat cut price lah harusnya, wajarnya semua harus keliatan mewah.. gue ngeri di interior moga2 bahan yg dipake bisa sekelas camry or accord, at least...
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zweifellos wrote: setahu saya masih numpang di indomobil. 2011 katanya mo bangun pabrik sendiri tapi terakhir baca masih belum pasti karena ada lonjakan yang sangat besar di biaya dibanding yang direncanakan pada awalnya. CMIIW
Ooh gitu yah? katanya sih sudah setengah pabrik ber-operasi.. CMIIW
maskopat wrote: emang standar vw german seperti apa ya?
setahu ane, CKD itu partnya bisa jadi import atau lokal. trus dirakit di sini. jadi gak ada hubugannya dengan part lokal.

tentang part lokal yang belum memenuhi standar vw jerman, emang seperti apa standarnya? bukannya mercy dan toyota, sudah rakitan sini. dengan reliability 2 merk itu, harusnya cukup meyakinkan lho rakitan sini.
Katanya sih ketelitian sampe mili itu yang belum di sanggupi oleh kualitas lokal.. nah untuk SKD ini memang sebenernya ada pak kopat.. cuman dulu sering dipake sekarang dengernya CKD terus.. setau ane bedanya kalo CKD itu ada part lokal yang dipake masalah seperti baut2 dan karet2... dan kalo ada CKD berarti sudah ready spare part ga perlu mesen2 lagi..

nah untuk jaman sekarang sering salah kaprah kalo mobil produksi thai atau malaysia dibilang CKD, jadi Accord dan Oddys itu SKD sebenernya.. cuman karena istilahnya barang spare parts cuman sehari bisa sampe jadi dibilangnya CKD..

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ok deh, CKR kalo gitu..?
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Abu2 wrote:ok deh, CKR kalo gitu..?
CKR itu apa ya wan? :e-think:
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IMO....nampaknya bukan karena vendor disini yg gak mampu bikin part yg presisi untuk VW.....tapi mungkin bagi VW msh lbh murah mendatangkan beberapa part dr cina sana.... kan udah ACFTA bebas pajeg.....

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secara mobilnya juga ga seberapa banyak, gue setuju sama jalu. mungkin ada yg buat presisi, custom made sepertinya...
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jalu wrote:IMO....nampaknya bukan karena vendor disini yg gak mampu bikin part yg presisi untuk VW.....tapi mungkin bagi VW msh lbh murah mendatangkan beberapa part dr cina sana.... kan udah ACFTA bebas pajeg.....

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VW aja baru mau buat pabriknya di China nanti 2013

hmm..Setau ane sih ga ada ya... Masih full dari Jerman semua.. :e-think:

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poeticmind wrote:secara mobilnya juga ga seberapa banyak, gue setuju sama jalu. mungkin ada yg buat presisi, custom made sepertinya...
Yah.. nggak tau masalah mereka cari untung atau enggak.. terlepas dari itu... part apa dari VW yang di suppy china? :e-think:
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Kalo First Auto Works = VW di China ?
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ada beberapa sih go, tapi parts vw lama ya... ntah kalo vw baru. utk beberapa parts bosch juga sudah dibuat oleh negara2 tetangganya. tebakan gue sih, parts yg dr china adalah tiruan... bukan pesenan dari VW langsung.
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eresiie wrote:Kalo First Auto Works = VW di China ?
Wah nggak ngerti maksudnya apa ini bro? maksudnya mobil rakyat di China? betul..

Tapi FAW yang memproduksi part VW? saya nggak tahu...
poeticmind wrote:ada beberapa sih go, tapi parts vw lama ya... ntah kalo vw baru. utk beberapa parts bosch juga sudah dibuat oleh negara2 tetangganya. tebakan gue sih, parts yg dr china adalah tiruan... bukan pesenan dari VW langsung.
Kok bosch jadi dibawa.. kan lagi ngomongin VW..
Ya intinya sih aku juga nggak tau.. karena setau aku VW, Audi belum ada basis produksi parts di Asia, kalau Mercedes sudah ada

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Mungkin maksud tulisan saya nggak jelas. Maksud saya VW kerjasama dengan FAW untuk membuat VW di china, bisa jadi sebagian partnya dibuat di china.
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The following are the subsidiary companies which form Volkswagen Group China:

company................................................................ownership.................................................................location

Volkswagen (China) Investment Company Ltd................... VW AG 100%............................................................Beijing
Volkswagen Transmission (Shanghai) Company Ltd.............VW (China) 60%, FAW 20%, SAIC 20%..............................Shanghai
Volkswagen Automatic Transmission (Dalian) Company Ltd...VW (China) 100%.......................................................Dalian'
Volkswagen FAW Platform Company Ltd. (Powertrain).........VW 60%, FAW 40%.....................................................Changchun
Shanghai Volkswagen Powertrain Company Ltd..................VW (China) 60%, SAIC 40%..........................................Shanghai
Volkswagen FAW Engine (Dalian) Company Ltd..................VW (China) 60%, FAW 40%...........................................Shanghai
SAIC-Volkswagen Sales Company Ltd..............................SAIC 50%, VW (China) 30%, SVW 20%............................Shanghai
FAW-Volkswagen Sales Company Ltd...............................FAW-VW 99%, FAW 1%................................................Changchun
Volkswagen Import Company Ltd.....................................VW (China) 100%........................................................Tianjin
Volkswagen Finance (China) Company Ltd.........................VW AG 100%...............................................................Beijing
SITECH Dongchang Automotive Seating Technology Ltd......Sitech GmbH 60%, Dongchang 20%, Etern 20%..................Dongchang
Volkswagen Beijing Center Company Ltd...........................VW (China) 70%, Automobile Repair Company Beijing 30%....Beijing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_China
entah apa yang mereka kerjakan, apakah memproduksi/manufaktur part2 VW ataukah cuma jadi gudang penampungan part kiriman dr jerman, tapi IMO untuk VW indonesia akan lbh mudah jika order part dr mereka2 itu, krn posisi sama2 asia dan ACFTA.....

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eresiie wrote:Kalo First Auto Works = VW di China ?
itu manufaktur otomotif china, dari taun 1953. dan banyak kerjasama nya... bukan hanya VW, tapi hampir semua manufaktur di seluruh dunia. pertama kali mereka join dengan Chrysler. coba baca2 di google. :)
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poeticmind wrote:
eresiie wrote:Kalo First Auto Works = VW di China ?
itu manufaktur otomotif china, dari taun 1953. dan banyak kerjasama nya... bukan hanya VW, tapi hampir semua manufaktur di seluruh dunia. pertama kali mereka join dengan Chrysler. coba baca2 di google. :)
memproduksi atau hanya ekspor impor?
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AD74YA wrote:
poeticmind wrote:
eresiie wrote:Kalo First Auto Works = VW di China ?
itu manufaktur otomotif china, dari taun 1953. dan banyak kerjasama nya... bukan hanya VW, tapi hampir semua manufaktur di seluruh dunia. pertama kali mereka join dengan Chrysler. coba baca2 di google. :)
memproduksi atau hanya ekspor impor?
http://www.faw-vw.com/en/about_faw-vw/introduction.htm
FAW-VW Automobile Co., Ltd. was formally established on February 6, 1991, and officially received by the State in August 1997. The company’s Plant II for passenger cars officially began production on December 7, 2004. Through its continuous expansion, FAW-VW has become a company with a daily production capacity of over 1000 motor vehicles, with additional capacity for export of assembled vehicles; powertrain and component parts
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hehehe! :big_peace:
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poeticmind wrote:
Abu2 wrote:ok deh, CKR kalo gitu..?
CKR itu apa ya wan? :e-think:

Cocoknya Kau Rasa?

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berarti ada Jerman rasa cungko nanti yaaa... :upss:
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Abu2 wrote:
poeticmind wrote:
Abu2 wrote:ok deh, CKR kalo gitu..?
CKR itu apa ya wan? :e-think:

Cocoknya Kau Rasa?

hahahahahaa :ngacir:
wah ternyata wak abu gaul juga. :ngacir:
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lama berkawan dgn om poetic, jadi gaul dah... :mrgreen:
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2010 Suzuki Concept Kizashi Turbo promises 290 hp

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http://www.worldcarfans.com/11005032596 ... ses-290-hp
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