[WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?

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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote: adiknya LC? LC Prado? :e-think:
Adiknya lagi om :mrgreen:

Maksa amet om momod :lol: ....
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ampunn.. susah amat nebaknya si om kopat (atau jgn2 pura2 neh) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ...
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doq wrote:doesnt matter if some find it unworthy or anythin cos of the brand or anythin else, bwat sy ( klo bsa kebeli :mrgreen: ) worthed enough :big_peace:

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cokino wrote:@FortunerMan & Captivated
Di review yg dikasi oleh om FM Legroom Fortuner yg terlega dikelasnya, sementara di review yg dikasi oleh om Captivated...Everest yg terlega Headroom dan Legroom. Bagi yg pernah nyoba dua mobil ini atau malah punya dua - duanya (Evie & Forti), confirm plz...
Posisi duduk baris kedua Everest aneh buat saya, cobain aja sendiri - saya sih udah sering nyobain sambil nungguin Focus ane servis. Lega sih kayanya sama aja, tapi yg jelas Fortuner 5 cm lebih lebar dr Everest.
Hmmm... ntar pas servis Ranger gw cobain jg ah Everestnya.
5 cm itu yg diukur Exteriornya ato interiornya ?
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doq wrote:doesnt matter if some find it unworthy or anythin cos of the brand or anythin else, bwat sy ( klo bsa kebeli :mrgreen: ) worthed enough :big_peace:
Ini sih stating the obvious - kita semua masing2 akan menilai mana kendaraan yg cocok buat kita masing2, dan kalo gak kebeli masa iya dibeli :P Kalau kendaraan A menurut kita cocok ditukar dengan uang kita sejumlah X, ya kita beli.

Ternyata banyak yg beli Fortuner, jadi menurut kebanyakan konsumen pasar Indonesia (dan dibanyak negeri lain) - itulah yg pantas ditukar dengan uangnya. Makin tua dan makin tinggi harganya...penjualan malah makin naik. Berarti ada value yg di lihat oleh konsumen - yg gak setuju macem2 deh nuduhnya...bilangnya karena merek (ya jelas saja ini membantu, kalo Fortuner dikasi merek Daewoo saya juga gak mau beli), karena pembeli Fortuner spekulan lah (emangnya kalo beli Fortuner trus jual lagi dapet untung? Ini bukan Avanza :P), Fortuner tidak ada keunggulan teknis lah (jelas2 di professional review2 ada keunggulannya).
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FortunerMan wrote:Ini sih stating the obvious - kita semua masing2 akan menilai mana kendaraan yg cocok buat kita masing2, dan kalo gak kebeli masa iya dibeli :P Kalau kendaraan A menurut kita cocok ditukar dengan uang kita sejumlah X, ya kita beli.
Tul Om, setujuuuuhhh...
FortunerMan wrote:Ternyata banyak yg beli Fortuner, jadi menurut kebanyakan konsumen pasar Indonesia (dan dibanyak negeri lain) - itulah yg pantas ditukar dengan uangnya. Makin tua dan makin tinggi harganya...penjualan malah makin naik. Berarti ada value yg di lihat oleh konsumen - yg gak setuju macem2 deh nuduhnya...bilangnya karena merek (ya jelas saja ini membantu, kalo Fortuner dikasi merek Daewoo saya juga gak mau beli)
Loh kenapa Om ? Kalo seandainya Everest ato Captiva yg dikasi merk Toyota, Om lebih mending beli Everest/Captiva gitu ?
Atau bisakah gw simpulkan kalau Brand + Resale Value merupakan faktor utama Om memilih sebuah Mobil ?
Sory Om, bukannya gw mau menyudutkan...hanya ingin tau opini Om aja ;) .
FortunerMan wrote:karena pembeli Fortuner spekulan lah (emangnya kalo beli Fortuner trus jual lagi dapet untung? Ini bukan Avanza :P), Fortuner tidak ada keunggulan teknis lah (jelas2 di professional review2 ada keunggulannya).
Kalo menurut gw "teknis" itu berhubungan dengan Performa mesin dan bagian kaki2 mobil.
atau mungkin om punya pandangan lain mengenai "teknis" ?
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maskopat wrote: yang ini kali yah?? :e-think:
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FortunerMan wrote: Ternyata banyak yg beli Fortuner, jadi menurut kebanyakan konsumen pasar Indonesia (dan dibanyak negeri lain) - itulah yg pantas ditukar dengan uangnya. Makin tua dan makin tinggi harganya...penjualan malah makin naik. Berarti ada value yg di lihat oleh konsumen - yg gak setuju macem2 deh nuduhnya...bilangnya karena merek (ya jelas saja ini membantu, kalo Fortuner dikasi merek Daewoo saya juga gak mau beli), karena pembeli Fortuner spekulan lah (emangnya kalo beli Fortuner trus jual lagi dapet untung? Ini bukan Avanza :P), Fortuner tidak ada keunggulan teknis lah (jelas2 di professional review2 ada keunggulannya).
setuju oom :mrgreen:
imho nilai2 value tiap orang dlm memilih kendaraan itu variabel alias berbeda2
ada yg mengutamakan brand image, performa, resale value dll....
tentu saja ada alasan tersendiri dlm menentukan pilihan2 tsb, dan imho rasanya kurang bijak klo ada perbedaan pendapat dlm menentukan pilihan malah membuat kita "menyerang" kendaraan yg bukan kita pilih :ungg: :big_peace:
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^^@om doq: hehhehe.....justru disinilah tempatnya buat saling 'menyerang' satu sama lain...ga papa koq, nyante aje....kalo masuk ke threat ini dibawa serius malah bisa gila :mrgreen: ente liat ga suka sama model mobil apa? Keluarin....babat...bantai habis :mrgreen: tapi inget! Cuma di threat ini aja yah.....ditempat laen ga boleh (kecuali kefefet),, ini tret ajaib! (one of my favorite place) Kita perang adu tinju disini, tapi di kamar sebelah kita semua damai.... :frm_tumbleft:

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cokino wrote:
FortunerMan wrote:Ini sih stating the obvious - kita semua masing2 akan menilai mana kendaraan yg cocok buat kita masing2, dan kalo gak kebeli masa iya dibeli :P Kalau kendaraan A menurut kita cocok ditukar dengan uang kita sejumlah X, ya kita beli.
Tul Om, setujuuuuhhh...
FortunerMan wrote:Ternyata banyak yg beli Fortuner, jadi menurut kebanyakan konsumen pasar Indonesia (dan dibanyak negeri lain) - itulah yg pantas ditukar dengan uangnya. Makin tua dan makin tinggi harganya...penjualan malah makin naik. Berarti ada value yg di lihat oleh konsumen - yg gak setuju macem2 deh nuduhnya...bilangnya karena merek (ya jelas saja ini membantu, kalo Fortuner dikasi merek Daewoo saya juga gak mau beli)
Loh kenapa Om ? Kalo seandainya Everest ato Captiva yg dikasi merk Toyota, Om lebih mending beli Everest/Captiva gitu ?
Atau bisakah gw simpulkan kalau Brand + Resale Value merupakan faktor utama Om memilih sebuah Mobil ?
Sory Om, bukannya gw mau menyudutkan...hanya ingin tau opini Om aja ;) .
FortunerMan wrote:karena pembeli Fortuner spekulan lah (emangnya kalo beli Fortuner trus jual lagi dapet untung? Ini bukan Avanza :P), Fortuner tidak ada keunggulan teknis lah (jelas2 di professional review2 ada keunggulannya).
Kalo menurut gw "teknis" itu berhubungan dengan Performa mesin dan bagian kaki2 mobil.
atau mungkin om punya pandangan lain mengenai "teknis" ?
Hal2 teknis itu segala macem yang ada di mobil itu. Kenyamanan suspensi teknis, reliability itu teknis (walaupun gak ada di brosur), HP/torque teknis, ergonomics itu teknis, kekuatan kaki2 teknis.

Kalo mau jujur, merek itu ikut dalam pertimbangan kita sehari hari. Ce2 doyan merek LV misalnya...kalo dikasi merek abal2 pasti merengut. Semua merek membawa tradisi, reputasi, ciri khas dan kekurangan masing2 - misalnya Toyota reputasi reliability bagus tapi cenderung boring. Nah karena saya doyan reliability, ya saya kiblatnya ke merek2 yg reliability tinggi dulu. Kalo merek Daewoo terkenalnya apa? :e-think: Biarpun udah di cap merek lain, saya ogah. Kalau Mazda di cap Ford (seperti Everest) saya gpp...karena Mazda pun manteb reputasinya.

Resale value ya penting juga - soalnya gak akan selamanya pelihara mobil apa pun. Kalo bisa ongkos pemakaian (depresiasi) sedikit, ngapain mesti banyak :P Apa anda mau resale mobil anda besok Rp. 0 (kalo bener2 tidak mikir resale value, mestinya gpp kan)?
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mandala1 wrote:^^@om doq: hehhehe.....justru disinilah tempatnya buat saling 'menyerang' satu sama lain...ga papa koq, nyante aje....kalo masuk ke threat ini dibawa serius malah bisa gila :mrgreen: ente liat ga suka sama model mobil apa? Keluarin....babat...bantai habis :mrgreen: tapi inget! Cuma di threat ini aja yah.....ditempat laen ga boleh (kecuali kefefet),, ini tret ajaib! (one of my favorite place) Kita perang adu tinju disini, tapi di kamar sebelah kita semua damai.... :frm_tumbleft:

Ayo....tunjukan aksimu :off_good_job:
wakakaka :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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sy mah duduk manis lg d bangku penonton, menyerap-menyedot-mengingat smua elmu yg d tumpahkan para master d sini hihihihihi
tapi......ada tapinya neh :big_smoking:
ane ogah k kamar sebelah........mendingan di tenda sebelah aje wekeeeke





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doq wrote:ane ogah k kamar sebelah........mendingan di tenda sebelah aje wekeeeke





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kk pembina tolong panggilin asmirandah nya ya.....sy nunggu d dlm tenda aja lah :big_weee:
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doq wrote:kk pembina tolong panggilin asmirandah nya ya.....sy nunggu d dlm tenda aja lah :big_weee:
gampang itu....asmirandah sudah ada di tenda saya..nanti kalo udah selesai saya kirim ke tenda om doq..... :big_weee: :big_weee:
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jalu wrote:
doq wrote:kk pembina tolong panggilin asmirandah nya ya.....sy nunggu d dlm tenda aja lah :big_weee:
gampang itu....asmirandah sudah ada di tenda saya..nanti kalo udah selesai saya kirim ke tenda om doq..... :big_weee: :big_weee:
haduuuuuh...............jangan lama2 yaaaa, bilangin ane laper....trus tenda blom d rapiin :big_smoking: :big_smoking: :big_smoking:
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mandala1 wrote: :off_good: :off_good: I lop you puullll guyssss....... :cupss: :off_good_job:
Ay lop yu pulll om dal....

jujur aja, kalo fortie gak deh... gak ada diesel 4WD nya... :mrgreen:
beli baru gak mampu, beli seken teteup wae harganya masih tinggi..

makanya, cari yang sekennya terjun aja... seperti mitsu gitu... :mrgreen:

mudah2an PS turun sampe 1/3 dari sekarang dalam 3 tahun... :e-pray:


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FortunerMan wrote: Hal2 teknis itu segala macem yang ada di mobil itu. Kenyamanan suspensi teknis, reliability itu teknis (walaupun gak ada di brosur), HP/torque teknis, ergonomics itu teknis, kekuatan kaki2 teknis.

Kalo mau jujur, merek itu ikut dalam pertimbangan kita sehari hari. Ce2 doyan merek LV misalnya...kalo dikasi merek abal2 pasti merengut. Semua merek membawa tradisi, reputasi, ciri khas dan kekurangan masing2 - misalnya Toyota reputasi reliability bagus tapi cenderung boring. Nah karena saya doyan reliability, ya saya kiblatnya ke merek2 yg reliability tinggi dulu. Kalo merek Daewoo terkenalnya apa? :e-think: Biarpun udah di cap merek lain, saya ogah. Kalau Mazda di cap Ford (seperti Everest) saya gpp...karena Mazda pun manteb reputasinya.
nah ini.. realibilitas emang susah kita lihat waktu baru launch.. mesti tunggu beberapa saat dulu.. kecuali udah pernah dilaunch di LN bisa kita lihat..

om FM, yang di-bold dan underlined.. maksudnya boring ini gimana? masalah design, driving experience, performa, feature? atau ada point lain yang di-"boring"-in?
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doq wrote:
jalu wrote:
doq wrote:kk pembina tolong panggilin asmirandah nya ya.....sy nunggu d dlm tenda aja lah :big_weee:
gampang itu....asmirandah sudah ada di tenda saya..nanti kalo udah selesai saya kirim ke tenda om doq..... :big_weee: :big_weee:
haduuuuuh...............jangan lama2 yaaaa, bilangin ane laper....trus tenda blom d rapiin :big_smoking: :big_smoking: :big_smoking:
hm... kalo asmirandah kira2 pilih fortie, capti atau evie yah??? :e-think:
dan kira2, siapa yang cocok jadi pendampingnya? om dal, om doq, om jalu, atau om FM?
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mandala1 wrote:^^@om doq: hehhehe.....justru disinilah tempatnya buat saling 'menyerang' satu sama lain...ga papa koq, nyante aje....kalo masuk ke threat ini dibawa serius malah bisa gila :mrgreen: ente liat ga suka sama model mobil apa? Keluarin....babat...bantai habis :mrgreen: tapi inget! Cuma di threat ini aja yah.....ditempat laen ga boleh (kecuali kefefet),, ini tret ajaib! (one of my favorite place) Kita perang adu tinju disini, tapi di kamar sebelah kita semua damai.... :frm_tumbleft:

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maskopat wrote: hm... kalo asmirandah kira2 pilih fortie, capti atau evie yah??? :e-think:
dan kira2, siapa yang cocok jadi pendampingnya? om dal, om doq, om jalu, atau om FM?
Yg pasti kalo jupe pilih Fortie :mrgreen:
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mandala1 wrote:
maskopat wrote: hm... kalo asmirandah kira2 pilih fortie, capti atau evie yah??? :e-think:
dan kira2, siapa yang cocok jadi pendampingnya? om dal, om doq, om jalu, atau om FM?
Yg pasti kalo jupe pilih Fortie :mrgreen:
kalo om dal, pilih ini..
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pilih yang ini........... :glodak:
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mandala1 wrote:pilih yang ini........... :glodak:
kalo ane mah pilih fortie om... keren.... apalagi kalo dapet D4D 4WD... :frm_tumbright:

ayo dunk, fortie2 om dal, om FM ditunjukin... :e-dance:
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mandala1 wrote:^^@om doq: hehhehe.....justru disinilah tempatnya buat saling 'menyerang' satu sama lain...ga papa koq, nyante aje....kalo masuk ke threat ini dibawa serius malah bisa gila :mrgreen: ente liat ga suka sama model mobil apa? Keluarin....babat...bantai habis :mrgreen: tapi inget! Cuma di threat ini aja yah.....ditempat laen ga boleh (kecuali kefefet),, ini tret ajaib! (one of my favorite place) Kita perang adu tinju disini, tapi di kamar sebelah kita semua damai.... :frm_tumbleft:

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