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doq wrote:kang.........ente klo males baca apa guna nya ngikut forum??
didepan udah dikasi tau sama TS; kendaraan yg ada di pasar lokal doank :e-wall:
yaris juga dijual di indonesia doq.... :mky_01: :mky_01: hehehee.......
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ak4ng wrote:
doq wrote:kang.........ente klo males baca apa guna nya ngikut forum??
didepan udah dikasi tau sama TS; kendaraan yg ada di pasar lokal doank :e-wall:
yaris juga dijual di indonesia doq.... :mky_01: :mky_01: hehehee.......
modelnya kayak yaris emang kang, tinggal ganti emblem doang jadi deh toyota Yaris :mky_03:
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charade nya emang dijual jg disini? :big_slap:
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doq wrote:charade nya emang dijual jg disini? :big_slap:
Lakone bocah kuwi, yen ngeyel ndablek e cen wagu tur nganyelke tenaannn..!! Wis cetha ela elo yen kleru kok yoo isih ngeyell phuoolll... Kaploken po o, mas doq!
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tambahan laen

chevy trooper - isuzu trooper

tp kayanya yg merk isuzu nya ga masuk ke sini ya? :e-think:
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scorpio wrote:tambahan laen

chevy trooper - isuzu trooper

tp kayanya yg merk isuzu nya ga masuk ke sini ya? :e-think:
isuzu trooper ada beberapa di papua (saya sempet nyoba yg varian Irmscher, jok nya recaro kereen), tapi itu mbl seken ex jepang, krn ada deregulasi izin impor mbl bekas dr jepang untuk propinsi tertentu
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jalu wrote: isuzu trooper ada beberapa di papua (saya sempet nyoba yg varian Irmscher, jok nya recaro kereen), tapi itu mbl seken ex jepang, krn ada deregulasi izin impor mbl bekas dr jepang untuk propinsi tertentu
itu di daerah mining ya om jal?
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di papua bukannya bayak mobil stir kiri freeport??
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Kok poto ane muncul dimari? :wkkk: Ganteng kagak, hot body kagak.... Oiya K4ng, AFAIK, mobil2 Freeport setir kanan kok TLC ama Rangernya. Mostly mobil operasional FMI ini dimodif ala SORV di Jakarta, di Global Fleet Sales-RMA Automotive > http://www.rmaautomotive.net/gfs.aspx

Plus uda confirmed dari salah satu keluarga jauh yang bertaun2 kerja di Timika, benar bahwa mobdin ex FMI semuanya diancurin (dikubur/diceburin ke jurang), gak da yang dilelang lalu beredar ke tangan orang lain (kita2).

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Nightster Guy wrote:Kok poto ane muncul dimari? :wkkk: Ganteng kagak, hot body kagak.... Oiya K4ng, AFAIK, mobil2 Freeport setir kanan kok TLC ama Rangernya. Mostly mobil operasional FMI ini dimodif ala SORV di Jakarta, di Global Fleet Sales-RMA Automotive > <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rmaautomotive.net/gfs.aspx"> ... fs.aspx</a><!-- m -->

Plus uda confirmed dari salah satu keluarga jauh yang bertaun2 kerja di Timika, benar bahwa mobdin ex FMI semuanya diancurin (dikubur/diceburin ke jurang), gak da yang dilelang lalu beredar ke tangan orang lain (kita2).

OOT bentaran.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
ane gali ah lubangnya... pulang2 apanja ane narik 3 TLC200.....
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scorpio wrote:
jalu wrote: isuzu trooper ada beberapa di papua (saya sempet nyoba yg varian Irmscher, jok nya recaro kereen), tapi itu mbl seken ex jepang, krn ada deregulasi izin impor mbl bekas dr jepang untuk propinsi tertentu
itu di daerah mining ya om jal?
oitu di papua barat, saya banyak ketemu isuzu trooper di daerah transmigran :D
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Copas ke sini aja dehh, dari trit sebelah :mky_01:
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ak4ng wrote:lho... d:2 sama d:3 bedanya apa???
kalo D:2 klonengan Wagon R Solio, D:3 klonengan NV200....

D:3 adanya juga dari "tuker guling" mitsu & nissan om.

mitsu dapet nv200 + nissan fuga alias infiniti M + kontrak join produksi spare-part

lantas datsun dapet mitsu MiEV + kontrak join produksi spare-part.

berita resmi : http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201109220361.html
Kira2, karena apa nih skrg malah jadi kerjasama Mitsu - Nissan - Sijuki, om purrfect..?
Apa pabrikan skrg udh kepayahan untuk berebut konsumen, atau ide2nya udh habis, atau energi buat bikin mobil baru yg udah habis ya?

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ntar lama2... 3 produsen itu merger lagi....
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VanzMatic wrote:Copas ke sini aja dehh, dari trit sebelah :mky_01:
purrfect wrote:
ak4ng wrote:lho... d:2 sama d:3 bedanya apa???
kalo D:2 klonengan Wagon R Solio, D:3 klonengan NV200....

D:3 adanya juga dari "tuker guling" mitsu & nissan om.

mitsu dapet nv200 + nissan fuga alias infiniti M + kontrak join produksi spare-part

lantas datsun dapet mitsu MiEV + kontrak join produksi spare-part.

berita resmi : http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201109220361.html
Kira2, karena apa nih skrg malah jadi kerjasama Mitsu - Nissan - Sijuki, om purrfect..?
Apa pabrikan skrg udh kepayahan untuk berebut konsumen, atau ide2nya udh habis, atau energi buat bikin mobil baru yg udah habis ya?

:big_peace:
setau saya sih ada kerjasama internal prinsipal di Jepang sana buat mbantu neken biaya produksi...

contoh di karapel bantet saya (apv maksudnya), motor starter sama kaya punya futura, colt T120 & maven :mrgreen:

kalo urusan Delica D:3 kurang tau berhubung ada beritanya setelah kejadian gempa di Fukushima lalu.

kalo urusan badge engineering alias mobil re-badge & remodel udah cukup tau om sejak kenal internet & bulletin board 10 tahun silam :upss:
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doq wrote:charade nya emang dijual jg disini? :big_slap:
mas doq : ini ada berita mengenai Daihatsu Charade : http://mobil.otomotifnet.com/read/2011/ ... yota-Yaris
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contoh lain :

mobil aslinya > Maruti Ritz / Suzuki Splash
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mobil klon > Opel Agila (Jerman) / Vauxhall Agila (Inggris)
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mobil yang sama... sasis / rangka yang sama... mesin yang (agak) sama >> 1.0L I3, 1.2L I4, 1.3L Diesel I4

tapi beda merk... Maruti > India, Suzuki > you-know-where, Opel > Jerman, Vauxhall > Inggris. Vauxhall & Opel sendiri sekarang dibawah naungan General Motors

*http://www.topgear.com/uk/vauxhall/agila | http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vaux ... index.html
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VanzMatic wrote:Copas ke sini aja dehh, dari trit sebelah :mky_01:
purrfect wrote:
ak4ng wrote:lho... d:2 sama d:3 bedanya apa???
kalo D:2 klonengan Wagon R Solio, D:3 klonengan NV200....

D:3 adanya juga dari "tuker guling" mitsu & nissan om.

mitsu dapet nv200 + nissan fuga alias infiniti M + kontrak join produksi spare-part

lantas datsun dapet mitsu MiEV + kontrak join produksi spare-part.

berita resmi : http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201109220361.html
Kira2, karena apa nih skrg malah jadi kerjasama Mitsu - Nissan - Sijuki, om purrfect..?
Apa pabrikan skrg udh kepayahan untuk berebut konsumen, atau ide2nya udh habis, atau energi buat bikin mobil baru yg udah habis ya?

:big_peace:
memang bukan saya yg diquote, tapi coba ngasi opini :D

logika sederhana ; saat ada persaingan untuk mendapatkan ikan dikolam, bisa dengan 2 cara, yaitu bertarung habis2an dng semua lawan untuk mendapatkan ikan2 tsb...atau sebaliknya bekerja sama dengan salah satu lawan untuk bersama2 mendapatkan ikan tsb, hasilnya baru dibagi2 sesuai kontribusi masing.

IMHO, cara ke 2 itulah (kerja sama) yang dilakukan beberapa produsen yang meski berlainan merek & berbeda grup.

skrg CMIIW deh :mky_08:
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jalu wrote:
memang bukan saya yg diquote, tapi coba ngasi opini :D

logika sederhana ; saat ada persaingan untuk mendapatkan ikan dikolam, bisa dengan 2 cara, yaitu bertarung habis2an dng semua lawan untuk mendapatkan ikan2 tsb...atau sebaliknya bekerja sama dengan salah satu lawan untuk bersama2 mendapatkan ikan tsb, hasilnya baru dibagi2 sesuai kontribusi masing.

IMHO, cara ke 2 itulah (kerja sama) yang dilakukan beberapa produsen yang meski berlainan merek & berbeda grup.

skrg CMIIW deh :mky_08:
begitu juga ada kemungkinannya om...

seperti post saya sebelumnya juga, tujuan untuk menekan biaya produksi jadi salah satu sebab.

makanya ada istilah badge engineering, biaya produksi mobil, komponen, desain sampe R & D bisa kerja keroyokan :big_peace:

*kecuali urusan pemasaran lho ya :upss:
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om... kl contohnya lancer yg menjadi proton tu gmn??? apa ga merusak image mitsu??
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ak4ng wrote:om... kl contohnya lancer yg menjadi proton tu gmn??? apa ga merusak image mitsu??
gini om.... proton & mitsu sama halnya kaya hyundai & mitsu.

awalnya re-badge & lisensi atau bisa dikenal sebagai nota TOT (Transfer Of Technology), setelah sekian lama tentunya ada peningkatan dari segi manufaktur & SDM juga dari sisi riset pengembangan usaha dong... jadi nggak ada yang namanya faktor bikin imej rusak... lha wong pabrikan lokal dapet teknologi & nama tenar kok, trus pabrikan aslinya juga imejnya bagus karena terbukti kualitas & reliabilitasnya.

maka jadilah Proton & Hyundai seperti sekarang :upss:

tapi... dalam kasus Hyundai & Proton, proyeknya didukung penuh sama pemerintahnya. nggak kaya di INA yang salah satu petinggi ATPM-nya bangga sebagai assembler & ceplas-ceplos nyindir pabrikan mobnas :ungg:

sekedar contoh, Hyundai Arya / Grace (minivan) yang pernah dijual di INA buat mobil armada shuttle itu satu basis sama Mitsubishi Delica L300 gen. 3 dan Proton Wira itu masih sepupunya Mitsubishi Lancer gen. 6 lha sama-sama pake mesin 4G15 & 4G93 kok.

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Yoi om, I agree... Ada yg mau ditanyain nihh:
1. Awalnya pan Proton berdiri dengan kerjasama Mitsu. Trus, Proton 'cerai' dari Mitsu, kawin ama Lotus, 'katanya' pun Proton sempet beli Lotus. Apa bener? Lantas, kenapa skrg rujuk lagi ama Mitsu...? Plin plan gini deh. Celebek bener...!
2. Ane demeeeen banget ama desain delica ama Hyundai di atas... sayang, yg Delica engga masuk, dan yg hyundai, dikiit banget unitnya dan bentar banget masuknya..knp gitu yahh...?
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