[WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?

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Re: [WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?

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tentang siapa yang pertama, terbesar, terkecil...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_au ... perlatives

ternyata pengaturan katup yang pertama 1980 Alfa Romeo Spider 2.0 L
untuk yang elektronik vvt (variable valve timing), 1987 Nissan 300ZX VG30DE NVCS V6

ternyata untuk tenaga tertinggi dibanding isi silinder, untuk yang NA, dipegang oleh 1994 JDM Suzuki Cultus...

untuk diesel direct injection ternyata 1986 Fiat Croma Turbo D i.d.
common rail diesel pertama ternyata 1997 Alfa Romeo 156 JTD

dah ah, baca sendiri aja... :big_peace:
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cultus itu ane curiga mesin hayabusa tuh.. yamaha R & honda CBR, standar di ~180ps/liter.

engineering2 bukan lagi tentang siapa yang menemukan, tapi siapa yg menembus pasar / memperoleh hati konsumen.
tapi mitsu memang pernah bikin banyak merk ternama juga takjub dgn Gasoline direct injection akhir 90an di galant itu.
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GTR wrote:cultus itu ane curiga mesin hayabusa tuh.. yamaha R & honda CBR, standar di ~180ps/liter.

engineering2 bukan lagi tentang siapa yang menemukan, tapi siapa yg menembus pasar / memperoleh hati konsumen.
tapi mitsu memang pernah bikin banyak merk ternama juga takjub dgn Gasoline direct injection akhir 90an di galant itu.
kalo ini mah, corolla om mod... kagak ada matinye... :off_good_job:
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ternyata kalo baca2 ini, surprise juga yah...
beetle nembus 21jt lebih dengan 1 model... :off_good_job:

yang paling buncit, biasa... exotic cars... :big_slap:
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roadtrain99 wrote:mungkin klo vtec, vanos, vvti, vvt, mivec sama sama seputar variable valve timing, beda di istilah aja mungkin *cmiiw*. idsi dua busi per cyl, spt yg cokino tulis.

tp kalo udah spt vti-L (l nya apa ya?) atau vti-r (kalo yg ini sepengetahuan gw *cmiiw* r=racing spec, atau spt di prelude vti-r thn 98an, mesinnya vti plus dohc dan mungkin + yg lain, kalo yg sI cuma dohc aja)

yg bagus lagi, kalo ga salah bmw yg punya, bukan valve aja, sewaktu pelan/kalem, hanya beberapa cyl yg kerja, tp sewaktu power dibutuhkan, seluruh nya lsg aktif. lupa nih type yg mana. *cmiiw*.
i-DSI sepertinya hanya 1 busi/Silinder om, tapi percikannya 2 kali dalam 1 putaran mesin.
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^^i-DSI setau ane sih 2 busi per cylinder, kalo 4 cyl jadi total semua pake 8 busi :)
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ids-i confirm 2 busi per silinder bro, saudara ane soalnya pake tuh city ids-i... ane perna liat ntuh mobil lagi di servis... btw, copotin busi nya yg diposisi blakang agak nyusahin tuh.. :e-naughty: :e-naughty:
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DOHC wrote:ids-i confirm 2 busi per silinder bro, saudara ane soalnya pake tuh city ids-i... ane perna liat ntuh mobil lagi di servis... btw, copotin busi nya yg diposisi blakang agak nyusahin tuh.. :e-naughty: :e-naughty:
sayang...idsi efisiensinya "semu"...................... :ungg:
kalo diajak pelan cukup hemat....tapi kalo diajak di tol yah gt deh....tenaga jg kurang bergairah,BTW...kalo jazz/city idsi ingin di swap jd vtec..apakah bs cukup dengan ganti cyl head + ecu dkk...atau emang mesti engine swap lengkap ? :ungg:

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jalu wrote:
DOHC wrote:ids-i confirm 2 busi per silinder bro, saudara ane soalnya pake tuh city ids-i... ane perna liat ntuh mobil lagi di servis... btw, copotin busi nya yg diposisi blakang agak nyusahin tuh.. :e-naughty: :e-naughty:
sayang...idsi efisiensinya "semu"...................... :ungg:
kalo diajak pelan cukup hemat....tapi kalo diajak di tol yah gt deh....tenaga jg kurang bergairah,BTW...kalo jazz/city idsi ingin di swap jd vtec..apakah bs cukup dengan ganti cyl head + ecu dkk...atau emang mesti engine swap lengkap ? :ungg:

mohon diterangin..... :big_peace:
kakak pembina, mending swap aja.... swap mobilnye maksudnye...
http://mobil.kapanlagi.com/honda_jazz_i ... 79_ns.html
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Re: [WTA] Fortuner Diesel or Captiva Diesel or Everest Diesel?

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yup, bener, efisiensi ids-i terkesan semu, kaga beda jauh ama yg vtec... makanya honda yg skrg2 uda kaga ada lagi embel2 ids-i....
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@Mandala & DOHC
Ok Bro, my bad... i-DSI 2 busi/cylinder.


Btw...
diantara ketiga mobil itu (Fortuner, Everest, Captiva) mana FC nya yg paling irit ?

Bwat sementara :
1. Fitur, Resale Value = Fortuner (?)
2. Performance, Handling = Captiva (?)

Ada yg mau nambahin ? (sepertinya desain gak usah dimasukin ya, secara selera orang beda-beda).
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@cokino
sy liat mesin jazz sptnya 2 busi per cyl, jadi total 8.

buat kita share info nya..
kalo dari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine
... or “intelligent Dual & Sequential Ignition”. This setup utilizes 2 spark plugs per cylinder...
dari http://www.indiacar.com/infobank/ntech_jazz.htm
Called i-DSI (dual and sequential ignition), the powerplant comes in both 1.2 and 1.4-litre versions and uses a radical new twin-spark ignition system with just two valves per cylinder. It improves efficiency and power while reducing fuel consumption and emissions...

To overcome this, the i-DSI engine fires its two sparking plugs at different times to ensure the mixture burns thoroughly whatever the prevailing conditions. At lower engine speeds, the spark plug nearest the inlet valve is fired much earlier than usual while the plug nearest the exhaust valve is fired later than usual. At higher rpm, the sparks are fired simultaneously.
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maksud fc jazz semu kira2 kayak gimana?

kalo city use yg m/t cukup bagus lah, dapet 1:10 sudah agresive dan macet2an. yg a/t jg ga jauh beda.
ke luar kota, bs dpt 1:13, agressive. semua on pertamax/shell super.

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cokino wrote: Btw...
diantara ketiga mobil itu (Fortuner, Everest, Captiva) mana FC nya yg paling irit ?

Bwat sementara :
1. Fitur, Resale Value = Fortuner (?)
2. Performance, Handling = Captiva (?)

Ada yg mau nambahin ? (sepertinya desain gak usah dimasukin ya, secara selera orang beda-beda).
fc captiva, 1:8/9 dalkot, 1:12 lukot on bio+additive. *imo* cukup irit ngeliat powernya.

1. kalo feature, ada yg bilang everest bagus2 & lengkap. utk ctv, kalo full option, jg jadi lengkap, spt mid, cruise ctrl, audio steering. tiptronic 5 sp, abs (4channel) ebd, udah std. ketiga nya udah double blower a/c.
2. performance kalo kenceng mungkin ctv. tp hp/torque ctv & everest bersaing.
handling jg agak subjective mungkin. sekedar gbran utk ctv, suspensi agak keras kalo penumpang/barang dikit dan jadi bouncy/mantul2, tp kalo penumpang/brg agak byk jd agak less firm.

tmbah dikit
3. suara mesin ctv kalo idle, agak terdengar dikit khas dieselnya (pasang lagu swing jazz dgn volume agak rendah, suara diesel nya jg ketutup). klo di toll/hi speed, ga terasa diesel (audio off), kalo lagi narik pun suaranya ga sekeras diesel biasa..
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fortie menang fitur...... ??? :big_smoking:









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roadtrain99 wrote:maksud fc jazz semu kira2 kayak gimana?

kalo city use yg m/t cukup bagus lah, dapet 1:10 sudah agresive dan macet2an. yg a/t jg ga jauh beda.
ke luar kota, bs dpt 1:13, agressive. semua on pertamax/shell super.

itu dr spengalaman..ga tau kalo yg lain...
FC semu mungkin maksud nya hemat nya si ids-i itu kaga beda jauh ama saudaranya yg VTEC itu... lagian kalo yg dari ane temuin sigh emang gt bro, city idsi saudara ane, jazz idsi temen ane rata2 dapetnya utk dalkot 1 :12 utk dalkot, itu matic logh... nah yg pake jazz vtec matic pun jg dapet nya beda2 dikit doank, 1 :11 an utk dalkot malah kadang sama tuh ama yg ids-i... tapi utk tenaga, jelas yg vtec lebi nendang kalo di tol...
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Captivated wrote:fortie menang fitur...... ??? :big_smoking:





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Fortuner unggul dalam memenuhi kebutuhan dan keinginan kebanyakan konsumen :D Money talks louder...
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ya..seperti itu kira2 om 2noken, dibanding dng vtec untuk rute kombinasi FCnya gak jauh beda....tapi tenaganya beda terutama untuk rute lukot. Saya pilih city idsi 08 matic krn suka dng motif n warna interior n eksteriornya + ultra seat, andaikan tidak ada perbedaan interior dan eksterior di city 2008, ya sudah jelas2 saya pilih yang vtec :e-wall:
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satu lagi "buruk"nya fortuner.... karet over fender... mirip banget stylenya dengan panther kotak..
dan kayaknya, PS juga pake karet gitu di OF nya... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

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jalu wrote:ya..seperti itu kira2 om 2noken, dibanding dng vtec untuk rute kombinasi FCnya gak jauh beda....tapi tenaganya beda terutama untuk rute lukot. Saya pilih city idsi 08 matic krn suka dng motif n warna interior n eksteriornya + ultra seat, andaikan tidak ada perbedaan interior dan eksterior di city 2008, ya sudah jelas2 saya pilih yang vtec :e-wall:
lah city itu kan mo yg ids-i atau yg vtec sama2 ultraseat bro... kalo warna wahh ane ga tau dehh, tapi kalo yg ids-i setau ane sigh warna krem gt... cerah tapi gampang kotor...
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maskopat wrote:satu lagi "buruk"nya fortuner.... karet over fender... mirip banget stylenya dengan panther kotak..
dan kayaknya, PS juga pake karet gitu di OF nya... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

masih keren GL X-Gear dan crv.... :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
emang itu dari karet yah overfnder nya om ?? ane kirain tuh dari bahan fiber logh...
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DOHC wrote:
maskopat wrote:satu lagi "buruk"nya fortuner.... karet over fender... mirip banget stylenya dengan panther kotak..
dan kayaknya, PS juga pake karet gitu di OF nya... :frm_bang_head: :frm_bang_head:

masih keren GL X-Gear dan crv.... :frm_tumbright: :frm_tumbright:
emang itu dari karet yah overfnder nya om ?? ane kirain tuh dari bahan fiber logh...
OV nya sepertinya dari fiber atau plastik gitu.. tapi antara ov dan body.. pake karet... :frm_bang_head:
kemarin diperhatiin detail tuh fortie.. belum nemu PS.. tapi kayaknya sama aja... mirip panther kotak.. :frm_bang_head:
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maksudnya seal buat nutupin antara gap dari si OV dgn body nya bro ?? kalo itu mah di Xgear jg masi pake ntuh seal... kayanya beberapa mobil yg model pake ov jg masi pake ntuh seal sigh...
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DOHC wrote:maksudnya seal buat nutupin antara gap dari si OV dgn body nya bro ?? kalo itu mah di Xgear jg masi pake ntuh seal... kayanya beberapa mobil yg model pake ov jg masi pake ntuh seal sigh...
kalo xgear kayaknya gak deh.. entah kalo ane salah lihat.. ane soalnya ngelihatnya dari samping belakang.. tapi gak kelihatan seal nya...
eh pas di sebelah fortie, kelihatan banget ujung sealnya itu gak rapi.. entar ane coba lihat PS... kalo sama juga... :e-snooty:
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x gear ada bro, ane inget banget soalnya dulu waktu pameran, ane jg perhatiin tuh ov nya, ampun deh tipis banget bahannya, trus kalo buka pintu blakang kliatan tuh seal nya... malah seal nya jg kaya murahan punya, gampang diputusin gt...
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