Jazz vs Livina

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Re: Jazz vs Livina

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iya, secara styling livina sangat simple.., setuju. overall tidak masalah, hanya grill dpan yg menurut gue agak "murahan".
but again, harga 120-130jt worth it.

utk jazz, gue rasa udah saatnya memang ganti model... hampir 6tahun kan? lama banget... baru ganti.. hebat juga...
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Dr segi model, jazz yg skrg (introduce june 2001, 'fit' in japan) masih lebih timeless drpd Livina yg akan keluar.
Spt jg starlet kapsul, modelnya tahan lama.
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Kalo menurut gue sih Livina modelnya nanggung, GL jauh lebih pas. Juga harganya gak beda2 amat dengan GL (contoh Jazz vs Stream), Livina ini terlalu dekat segmen-nya dengan GL.

Apalagi Jazz mau keluar model baru yg kelihatannya lebih bagus/menarik/keren. Kalo harganya tepat ya Livina bisa gak berkutik.

Tapi kembali pasar yg menentukan, akhir tahun 2008 baru bisa dilihat berhasil atau nggak.
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Berbeda sama pemikiran yg diatas gw... Gw bilang malah si LS adalah model yg sebenernya ...

Pernah ada yg liat Nissan NOTE yg beredar dan cukup sukses di eropa??
Nah gw bilang Livina dan GL dibuat dari konsep Nissan NOTE.., cuma saja GL di perpjg lagi 20cm u/ bisa tambah jok brs-3, si LS panjangnya lebih pas dg lebarnya... tp kalo GL rasanya kurang lebar dibanding dg panjangnya .... nih dibawah fotonya Nissan Note.

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B 0 YZ wrote:Iya jazz gw penahan lumpurnya ampe robek kena polisi tidur melulu,tar mo klaim asuransi,kloo overall gw lebih milih jazz klo livina modelnya jelek banget gak sporti terlalu kalem
Sporty atau tidak sih sebenernya gampang di modif.
Basic Livina Short dibuat u/ family car ... tp u/ jadi sporty ga rumit amat kok.. coba lihat yg ini nih.. padahal cuma tambah b.kit add-on doang.. lumayan sporty tuh.

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Kalo mo liat LS yg lebih sporty lagi.. katanya nanti bln januari 08 saat peluncuran LS di CITOS ada juga 5 model mobil hasil modif hasil rumah modifikator pilihan NMI... tar aja liat bisa spt apa sportynya LS kalo di modif.
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Re: Jazz vs Livina

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iya makanya maybe sejak IMS kemarin pending, Atpm nya lagi bikin PR;
mungkin saja masih blm ketemu model bemper (depan blkg) yg 'pas' modelnya, mknya manfaatkan pihak public juga (sekalian promosi) utk kasih ide (modif) sampai ketemu model bemper yg pas.
Biarpun didandani pake bodykit sporty juga, rasanya kalo boleh ungkapan yg agak mendekati buat Livina: kesan "Tidak seksi" tetap muncul dari model asalnya kalo dibandingin.. katakanlah dgn jazz.
Infonya, kabin Livina koq kurang praktis yah, tidak bisa direbahkan rata spt GL dan mobil2 lain, or at least bisa maju-mundur spt Latio / yaris.
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like i said, livina bakal jadi bahan modif abis2an sama livina club-ers... so, gue lebih melihat harga yg ditawarkan, dengan pertimbangan modif selanjutnya...
simply, setiap mobil pasti punya kekurangan... dan itu seni-nya di modification.

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itu betul, tapi tetap saja lebih enak & eksklusif lagi modif mobil yg memang stylish/seksi dari lahir, spt mobil2 satu merk itu. krn mobil memang beda kalo modal(uratnya) memang udah seksi.
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hehehehe oke...oke... jadi tinggal pilih... ada budget lebih ambil yg seksi atau budget cukup ambil yg biasa2 aja...
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ambil apa nih....
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GTR wrote:ambil apa nih....
yaaa cuma 2 pilihan kan disini... jazz ama livina. :)

kalo gue pribadi, suzuki minded. hehe!
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poeticmind wrote:hehehehe oke...oke... jadi tinggal pilih... ada budget lebih ambil yg seksi atau budget cukup ambil yg biasa2 aja...

Kalo beda cuma 10-20jt.. ambil JAZZ08 dong!!! .. krn dg uang segitu u/ modif dan dapatkan semua feature JAZZ (bila sama dg versi Jpg alias ga di spec-down) .. ga akan bisa.

Susah dibicarakan skrg ... mending nanti aja kalo dua2 nya sudah di launching jadi bisa compare scr real.
Tp gw denger2 katanya jazz 08 di indo masih tetap pake mesin Jazz yg sekarang.. bukan pakai mesin i-VTEC yg baru, JAAAHHHH... padahal tuh mesin i-VTEC 1500cc aja udah bisa smp 120ps loh!!!.. keunceng banget ... moga2 aja yg masuk mesin i-VTEC yg baru.

Tapi rasanya livina nyolong start duluan nih... gw bilang sih Honda musti sgr launch JAZZ 08.. tp kepentok stock Jazz 07 masih banyak ... tuh sampe di lego dg disc 8jt buat ngabisin sisa stock kali ya.... diakalin juga sama warna yg baru.. Pearl White.. yg lagi trend di jepang.

Kalo yg tau informasi pasti nunggu jazz 08.
Dilema jazz.. yg sekarang aja harga nya (VTEC) 154-164jt (MT-AT) .. nanti yg Jazz 08 mo di bandrol harga berapa?? sdgkan yg gw denger2 livina akan dibandrol kira2 di rentang harga 130-140jtan (MT-AT) dg mesin HR15DE yg sudah sama dg teknologi VTEC
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Mesin Livina sih mungkin masih bisa setara Jazz; cuma aja tech a/t nya Livina jauh dgn jazz.
Tapi betul, karena sasaran nya lain, kalo kebutuhan konsumen akan small hatchback aja Livina sudah bisa mengakomodir.
Sptnya Honda ga akan melulu fokuskan jazz di low-pricing, jd sptnya ga akan dekat Livina deh (kecuali mukjizat nih jazz08 bisa seharga jazz skrg, baru seru).
Kalo udah gini, jazz08 sasarannya lebih cocok utk pecinta sporty ride (ceruk), & bisa2 posisinya bakalan bukan market leader lagi.
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menunggu new jazz keluar, ujung2nya ambil mobil dibawah 150jt. hehehehehe...! or, kita tunggu 2nd nya aja...
sekarang saja dgn jazz diatas 160jt saja buat gue sangat terlalu mahal...
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beda sedikit juga kayanya saya masih ambil jazz08.... udah terbukti kali dipasaran yah
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iya sih sbnrnya beli jazz sama juga sekalian beli a/t canggih nya, suspensi sport, design interior bagus & flexible. driving position maybe perfect fit, krn yg skrg pun banyak majalah memuji driving position nya tanpa cela. Kemasan paketnya banyak.
Opini personal, kalo yg a/t beda max 20jt aja jgn lebih, masi vote for new jazz deh, tanggung gitu rasanya.
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cuma kekurangan jazz itu super pasaran di jalanan hehehehe
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wah, hrs di-modif juga yah... :?
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GTR wrote:wah, hrs di-modif juga yah... :?
kalo tempat modifnya sama?!?! :D
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Bro, di AB terbaru diulas Livina vs Rival al : Swift GT2, Yaris E, & Hyundai Getz. (Sayang Jazz nggak ikut). Ulasannya menurut gw cukup objektif.

Yg agak membuat gw heran, kenapa pd perfoma akselerasi Livina plng lambat, Oklah kalo kalah tipis ama Swift or Yaris tp masa sih kalah sama Getz 1.4. Apa krn transmisi maticnya kurang canggih atau testernya cupu ??

Berikut hasil test akselerasi 0 - 100 km/jam
Swift GT2 : 10 dtk (kemungkinan M/T, krn matic Suzuki setau gw lelet)
Yaris E : 11,10 dtk (A/T)
Getz : 12,40 dtk (A/T)
Livina XR : 13.09 dtk (A/T)
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iya, a/t swift masih konvensional bisa segitu yah, suzuki yg udah ECT di grand escudo aja juga masih rada kurang cekatan.
AB ini kalo tes selalu pake GPS or beda2 yah standar tes nya.
Yaris juga koq beda jauh sama new vios yg kl ga salah under 10sec yah?
Berarti angka test akselerasi yg GL 1.5 a/t ??? nah lo...
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Bro GTR, akselerasi New Vios under 10 sec itu yg M/T. Selisih 1 s/d 2 sec dgn Yaris A/T masih masuk akal.
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oh...
cuma aja apa AB tes bukan pake GPS, jd performa yg di Livina ini lebih real (maybe ada refinement) ya.
oot, di forum tetangga, jg ada yg bahas speedo GL noticeable over-milleage compared to GPS, pasti terjadi simpangan di FC jg ya.
any info?
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Ada penjelasan di AB yg gw missed. Ada perbedaan lokasi test akselerasi.
Swift, Yaris & Getz di test di Jakarta.
Livina di test di Bandung.

Masuk akal sih di Bandung dgn massa udara yg lebih ringan dibanding di Jakarta tentu menurunkan perfoma Livina yg sesungguhnya.

Prediksi gw sih harusnya Livina A/T bisa main di 11-12 sec.
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iya sih pasti beda hasilnya.
bro M90, since bandung altitudenya lebih tinggi drpd jkt; harusya kan (teori2an nih) angka tes bandung lebih baik yah since suhu udara lebih rendah & beban gravitasi juga lebih rendah juga (cmiiw).
Atau maybe faktor tester nya aja ya.