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b0ku wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:32
Suryaputra wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:07
ChZ wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:19

itu HRV itu cash cow nya HPM soalnya, klo gak laku emang dia mau andalin jualan apa brio ? :upss:

Civic CRV accord udah jadi niche products, sales yang bilang sendiri.
harusnya
harusnya yaa

krn itu cashcow, diupgrade lah drivetrain nya
AT 6 speed gtu misalnya (kyk CX3)... atau at least 5 speed tiptronic juga dah asik, kyk GE

Kurva Low rpm torquenya dinaikin, biar enak berasa responsip dalkot nya
honda tuh pelit sportmode doank cobain aja ni ge modal jimat monster lsg spin mulu kerjanya, padahal dari kemaren gw otak atik kenalpot sampe abis 10jt gak bisa kek gini gitu pasang itu jimat lsg galak :big_bored:

creta juga ada sportmode loh :big_bored:
Bah... ttp aja rubber band mode :big_biglaugh:
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Suryaputra wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:00
Bah... ttp aja rubber band mode :big_biglaugh:
yang penting tenaga mesin instant masuk ke gearbox om kalo setelan bawaan ngejar irit BBM di delay sama dia terus dia cuma punya econ doank lagi coba 3 mode sport agresive-normal-econ :big_bored:

gw ud negrasain kok bedanya pergi bandung gw hajar gila2x maen LV15 separo jalan, bedanya ampir 50% lebih boros pas pergi setengah tangki pulang 1/4 tangki gara2x ada nyokap juga sih :big_biglaugh:

itu aja gw ud sabar2x nyetirnya dia masih pelukan pas nyampe tujuan segitu seremnya apa gw nyetir padahal gw cuma pake 2 jalur dari kanan doank dari 4 jalur :big_bored:

emang si LV15 sentakannya gak enak buat daily gw aja sekarang daily LV10 itu aja bertahap bawanya dari lv6-7-8-9 baru 10 karena cara injek gasnya musti belajar....... :big_biglaugh:

tapi beneran diatas 10 itu ud gak enak banget kecuali mode tempur ini aja 10 kadang kalo salah injek juga masih gak enak :big_biglaugh:
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ChZ wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:19
Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:15
Setuju sih, kalau diitung2 R&D dan rangka bangun, so far bsa dibilang HRV ini produk HPM yang masih waras harganya. Karena dibanding negara2 SEA lain masih bersaing harganya. Ga kaya Civic, CRV, Accord, d INA relative lebih pricy dari market negara tetangga
itu HRV itu cash cow nya HPM soalnya, klo gak laku emang dia mau andalin jualan apa brio ? :upss:

Civic CRV accord udah jadi niche products, sales yang bilang sendiri.
Semoga aja Honda tobat, HRV Hybrid ada keajaiban dijual beda tipis (+- 30 juta dr varian sekarang) biar bisa ngehajar SUV compact lainnya lebih parah.

Soal "potong" harga kan dlu pernah kejadian di Brio CBU, ga lama keluar Brio CKD harganya miring jauh di 100 jt kecil (Brio CBU dlu 170ish)
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Suryaputra wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:07
ChZ wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:19
Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:15
Setuju sih, kalau diitung2 R&D dan rangka bangun, so far bsa dibilang HRV ini produk HPM yang masih waras harganya. Karena dibanding negara2 SEA lain masih bersaing harganya. Ga kaya Civic, CRV, Accord, d INA relative lebih pricy dari market negara tetangga
itu HRV itu cash cow nya HPM soalnya, klo gak laku emang dia mau andalin jualan apa brio ? :upss:

Civic CRV accord udah jadi niche products, sales yang bilang sendiri.
harusnya
harusnya yaa

krn itu cashcow, diupgrade lah drivetrain nya
AT 6 speed gtu misalnya (kyk CX3)... atau at least 5 speed tiptronic juga dah asik, kyk GE

Kurva Low rpm torquenya dinaikin, biar enak berasa responsip dalkot nya
bisa harusnya tapi harus pake mode direct injection.......yang juga bikin agak krg reliabel tapi, atau nih pake prechamber ignition ala2 efwan padahal honda dah paten dari jaman ito loh (2 CEO sebelum ini) gak dipake2 ampe skrg malah mibe fokus EV :big_cry:
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Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:51 Semoga aja Honda tobat, HRV Hybrid ada keajaiban dijual beda tipis (+- 30 juta dr varian sekarang) biar bisa ngehajar SUV compact lainnya lebih parah.

Soal "potong" harga kan dlu pernah kejadian di Brio CBU, ga lama keluar Brio CKD harganya miring jauh di 100 jt kecil (Brio CBU dlu 170ish)
honda itu pinter harga price list itu cuma harga odong2x sapa tau ekonomi lagi bagus semua adem ayem bisa jual di harga itu cuan gede :big_biglaugh:

harga aslinya mah loe musti nanya terus nego kayak beli sayur di pasar :wkkk:
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Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:51 Semoga aja Honda tobat, HRV Hybrid ada keajaiban dijual beda tipis (+- 30 juta dr varian sekarang) biar bisa ngehajar SUV compact lainnya lebih parah.

Soal "potong" harga kan dlu pernah kejadian di Brio CBU, ga lama keluar Brio CKD harganya miring jauh di 100 jt kecil (Brio CBU dlu 170ish)
kan sudah confirm dapat potongan pajak 3% xHEV thanks to TAM wkwk
harusnya yg hybridnya bisa lah dibawah 500 :big_deal:
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Ibet wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:06
Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:51 Semoga aja Honda tobat, HRV Hybrid ada keajaiban dijual beda tipis (+- 30 juta dr varian sekarang) biar bisa ngehajar SUV compact lainnya lebih parah.

Soal "potong" harga kan dlu pernah kejadian di Brio CBU, ga lama keluar Brio CKD harganya miring jauh di 100 jt kecil (Brio CBU dlu 170ish)
kan sudah confirm dapat potongan pajak 3% xHEV thanks to TAM wkwk
harusnya yg hybridnya bisa lah dibawah 500 :big_deal:
betul atleast gwa kira 10-15% ajib ternyata 3% itu aja karena biwaydi mau invest hybrid disini akhrinya dikasih insentif:big_bored:
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kayukayuthe5th wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:43
betul atleast gwa kira 10-15% ajib ternyata 3% itu aja karena biwaydi mau invest hybrid disini akhrinya dikasih insentif:big_bored:
liat aja laku gak hybrid BYD soalnya setau saya si murahan banget kalo liat atas bagus jgn liat di balik rok aja busuk semua :wkkk:
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kayukayuthe5th wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:43 betul atleast gwa kira 10-15% ajib ternyata 3% itu aja karena biwaydi mau invest hybrid disini akhrinya dikasih insentif:big_bored:
kalo ICE nya mobcin tar dulu deh :upss:
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Jenson wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:51
Semoga aja Honda tobat, HRV Hybrid ada keajaiban dijual beda tipis (+- 30 juta dr varian sekarang) biar bisa ngehajar SUV compact lainnya lebih parah.

Soal "potong" harga kan dlu pernah kejadian di Brio CBU, ga lama keluar Brio CKD harganya miring jauh di 100 jt kecil (Brio CBU dlu 170ish)
brio cbu kan 1300cc cbu thailand masih dijual waktu ada ckd satya 1200cc dgn label brio sports. brio satya sendiri keluar lebih mahal dari agya / ayla saat itu.
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b0ku wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:51
kayukayuthe5th wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:43
betul atleast gwa kira 10-15% ajib ternyata 3% itu aja karena biwaydi mau invest hybrid disini akhrinya dikasih insentif:big_bored:
liat aja laku gak hybrid BYD soalnya setau saya si murahan banget kalo liat atas bagus jgn liat di balik rok aja busuk semua :wkkk:
makanya toyota ragu pake DM-I, ngepush next gen corolla pake hybrid inhouse nanti 2026
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Kalo dipikir2, di Indonesia, nasib produsen Jepang sekarang tu kayak produsen Yurop tahun 70-an akhir sd 80-an awal.
Model tua semua, gimmick kagak ada, line up yg orang butuh kosong, sementara si Jepun udah kasih 7 seater (Kijang Buaya), mobil irit+murah+reliable (liat aja Corolla lama ama Corolla DX), Yurop cc < 1500 jaman segitu cuma Fiat ama Citroen.
Di level agak atas, contoh : 504 sejak 1970 baru ganti di 1982. Padahal itu Accord dah 2 model, lampu bulet ama kotak. Udah gitu Jepun2 dah jualan yg. kalo kata orang sekarang gimmick, zaman segitu populer power2an (power window, electric mirror), Yurop masi pake engkol semua (kecuali Merc.).
Alm. bapak saya dulu anggep tu jepang2an ampas, cuma jualan fitur ama irit tapi naikan ampas, bodi krupuk pulak. Prinsipnya : mending Yurop bekas daripada Jepun baru :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: Eladalah kagak nyangka zaman kebalik, sekarang gantian Jepun dibanting Cungkuo :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace:
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Bibieight wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:20 Kalo dipikir2, di Indonesia, nasib produsen Jepang sekarang tu kayak produsen Yurop tahun 70-an akhir sd 80-an awal.
Model tua semua, gimmick kagak ada, line up yg orang butuh kosong, sementara si Jepun udah kasih 7 seater (Kijang Buaya), mobil irit+murah+reliable (liat aja Corolla lama ama Corolla DX), Yurop cc < 1500 jaman segitu cuma Fiat ama Citroen.
Di level agak atas, contoh : 504 sejak 1970 baru ganti di 1982. Padahal itu Accord dah 2 model, lampu bulet ama kotak. Udah gitu Jepun2 dah jualan yg. kalo kata orang sekarang gimmick, zaman segitu populer power2an (power window, electric mirror), Yurop masi pake engkol semua (kecuali Merc.).
Alm. bapak saya dulu anggep tu jepang2an ampas, cuma jualan fitur ama irit tapi naikan ampas, bodi krupuk pulak. Prinsipnya : mending Yurop bekas daripada Jepun baru :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: Eladalah kagak nyangka zaman kebalik, sekarang gantian Jepun dibanting Cungkuo :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace:
Setuju om. Ini sebenarnya hanya roda berputar aja mengulang sejarah. Dulu merek eropa yg diganyang merek jepang. Sekarang merek jepang yang diganyang merek china. Sekarang merek china dipandang sebelah mata sm fanatik merek jepang, sama halnya dulu merek jepang dipandang sebelah mata sama fanatik merek eropa.

Saya yakin ke depannya merek jepang akan geser ke kelas semi premium macam mazda yg udah duluan ke arah sana. Merek eropa fokus ke yg kelas super mewah. China dan korea yg akan main di kelasnya jepang nantinya
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mobilover wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:37
Bibieight wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:20 Kalo dipikir2, di Indonesia, nasib produsen Jepang sekarang tu kayak produsen Yurop tahun 70-an akhir sd 80-an awal.
Model tua semua, gimmick kagak ada, line up yg orang butuh kosong, sementara si Jepun udah kasih 7 seater (Kijang Buaya), mobil irit+murah+reliable (liat aja Corolla lama ama Corolla DX), Yurop cc < 1500 jaman segitu cuma Fiat ama Citroen.
Di level agak atas, contoh : 504 sejak 1970 baru ganti di 1982. Padahal itu Accord dah 2 model, lampu bulet ama kotak. Udah gitu Jepun2 dah jualan yg. kalo kata orang sekarang gimmick, zaman segitu populer power2an (power window, electric mirror), Yurop masi pake engkol semua (kecuali Merc.).
Alm. bapak saya dulu anggep tu jepang2an ampas, cuma jualan fitur ama irit tapi naikan ampas, bodi krupuk pulak. Prinsipnya : mending Yurop bekas daripada Jepun baru :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: Eladalah kagak nyangka zaman kebalik, sekarang gantian Jepun dibanting Cungkuo :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace:
Setuju om. Ini sebenarnya hanya roda berputar aja mengulang sejarah. Dulu merek eropa yg diganyang merek jepang. Sekarang merek jepang yang diganyang merek china. Sekarang merek china dipandang sebelah mata sm fanatik merek jepang, sama halnya dulu merek jepang dipandang sebelah mata sama fanatik merek eropa.

Saya yakin ke depannya merek jepang akan geser ke kelas semi premium macam mazda yg udah duluan ke arah sana. Merek eropa fokus ke yg kelas super mewah. China dan korea yg akan main di kelasnya jepang nantinya
kalo untuk EV gwa agak percaya, cman kalo HEV, FCEV ato HICEV bahkan........agak sulit
bisa jadi upmarket class model mazda, yang agak "bodoh" kalo jaman2 dulu inget waktu dia pisah ama ford dan akhirnya bikin platform baru ternyata sukses. yang paleng mungkin sih yah kalo kubilang honda karena doi lineup gabanyak bisa tuh di kasi "upmarket class"
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Masih kesal sama Honda kenapa mereka taro Civic di niche. Mazda3 aja ga sampai semahal itu lho. Gila emang.
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DLM wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:11 Masih kesal sama Honda kenapa mereka taro Civic di niche. Mazda3 aja ga sampai semahal itu lho. Gila emang.
Civic FE apa type R om? Kalo FE rajin2 muter dealer aja, banyak sisa stok diskon miring
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DLM wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:11 Masih kesal sama Honda kenapa mereka taro Civic di niche. Mazda3 aja ga sampai semahal itu lho. Gila emang.
karena udah masuk platform global bareng accord ma crv. sini manufactur belum sampe bikin hybrid om. musti full CBU dan emang civic, accord, crv diluar sono juga issue supply chain juga.
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DLM wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:11 Masih kesal sama Honda kenapa mereka taro Civic di niche. Mazda3 aja ga sampai semahal itu lho. Gila emang.
Setelah disc, harganya mirip2 kok. Mazda 3 sekitar 540an, civic sekitar 560. Sama kaya hyundai masukin harga venue di 340. Paling2 setelah disc besar, bakalan sekitar 270-280.