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ninodiablo wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 17:11
Salvanost wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 16:40 udah diroasting dibilang banyak jeleknya, masih senang nyetir mobilnya :mky_03: :big_biglaugh:

tapi ya kalau posisi pertamax nantinya naik jadi 20.000/liter
mau banyak jeleknyapun saya bersyukur ada mobil listrik murah di Indonesia
Banyak amat kekurangannya? wkwkwkw tapi tetep dibeli ya
Thumbnail "25 Kekurangan" udah diganti tuh :big_biglaugh:
Mungkin kena semprit.

Beneran nih dibeli ? :big_grin:
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lihat kekurangannya, kok banyak hal esensial ya.

jok tipis dan keras
driving position tidak enak
limbung (liat waktu dia goyang goyangin di tol keliatan limbung banget)
peletakan tombol2 nya tidak user friendly.
software interface kalo dijadiin keunggulan juga tidak praktis kan katanya.

instant torque? 0-100 in 24detik. motor cuma 40hp (1/2 power dari mesin daihatsu ayla 1.2 yang harganya hampir 50% lebih murah).

ya kalo mobil beginian jadi masspro saya kok malesnya nanti pasti banyak lanehogger :big_bored:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 09:38 lihat kekurangannya, kok banyak hal esensial ya.

jok tipis dan keras
driving position tidak enak
limbung (liat waktu dia goyang goyangin di tol keliatan limbung banget)
peletakan tombol2 nya tidak user friendly.
software interface kalo dijadiin keunggulan juga tidak praktis kan katanya.

instant torque? 0-100 in 24detik. motor cuma 40hp (1/2 power dari mesin daihatsu ayla 1.2 yang harganya hampir 50% lebih murah).

ya kalo mobil beginian jadi masspro saya kok malesnya nanti pasti banyak lanehogger :big_bored:
Fungsinya buat dalkot total
24dtik
Ga kbayang nyalip di tol cipali kaya apa :big_slap:

Mobil mass pro buat anter2 groceries :upss:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 09:38 lihat kekurangannya, kok banyak hal esensial ya.

jok tipis dan keras
driving position tidak enak
limbung (liat waktu dia goyang goyangin di tol keliatan limbung banget)
peletakan tombol2 nya tidak user friendly.
software interface kalo dijadiin keunggulan juga tidak praktis kan katanya.

instant torque? 0-100 in 24detik. motor cuma 40hp (1/2 power dari mesin daihatsu ayla 1.2 yang harganya hampir 50% lebih murah).

ya kalo mobil beginian jadi masspro saya kok malesnya nanti pasti banyak lanehogger :big_bored:
tungguin aja di cipularang bisa banyak yang remek kena tikungan itu aja saya banyak liat avanza lari dari jalur kalo pake honda mah garis jalur buat racing line malahan :big_biglaugh:
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trebla88 wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 09:59 Fungsinya buat dalkot total
24dtik
Ga kbayang nyalip di tol cipali kaya apa :big_slap:

Mobil mass pro buat anter2 groceries :upss:
kayak golf cart emang. buat orang kaya yang anter2 anak (300jt bok) aktivitas di dalam komplek aja :mky_03: bayangin ni mobil lucu antri di sekolah2 isinya soccermom semua.

beli long range bukan buat jauh tapi buat gimmick aja :mky_03:
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tungguin aja di cipularang bisa banyak yang remek kena tikungan itu aja saya banyak liat avanza lari dari jalur kalo pake honda mah garis jalur buat racing line malahan :big_biglaugh:
wah gila sehh air ev lari 80 ketemu tikungan rasanya kayak gmn ban kurus gitu :big_bored:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 10:20 wah gila sehh air ev lari 80 ketemu tikungan rasanya kayak gmn ban kurus gitu :big_bored:
nah itu dia avanza aja banyak yang oleng belom kena crosswind di cipularang :big_biglaugh:

sebenernya itu mobil canggih tapi teknologi drivetrain sama chasisnya retard kayak mobil taon 60an bisa dibilang sama tuh kek citroen 2CV cuma bedanya 2CV mobil kecoak ud tebalik aja masih bisa jalan :big_biglaugh:
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Nah dibandingin Wuling EV, kalau ini :
https://2cev.co.uk/
Dijadikan mobil listrik malah lebih bener ya ?. Sayang pabriknya di Indonesia sudah tamat riwayatnya, kalau masih ada kan bisa buka spesial order jadi EV. Kalau 2CV listrik harga 300 juta vs Wuling EV harga 300 juta mending 2CV kan ya ?
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Bibieight wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:00 Nah dibandingin Wuling EV, kalau ini :
https://2cev.co.uk/
Dijadikan mobil listrik malah lebih bener ya ?. Sayang pabriknya di Indonesia sudah tamat riwayatnya, kalau masih ada kan bisa buka spesial order jadi EV. Kalau 2CV listrik harga 300 juta vs Wuling EV harga 300 juta mending 2CV kan ya ?
baru saya omongin wuling ev teknologi chasis sama drivtrainnya ya mirip2x kek 2 cv ini :big_biglaugh:

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b0ku wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 10:59
ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 10:20 wah gila sehh air ev lari 80 ketemu tikungan rasanya kayak gmn ban kurus gitu :big_bored:
nah itu dia avanza aja banyak yang oleng belom kena crosswind di cipularang :big_biglaugh:

sebenernya itu mobil canggih tapi teknologi drivetrain sama chasisnya retard kayak mobil taon 60an bisa dibilang sama tuh kek citroen 2CV cuma bedanya 2CV mobil kecoak ud tebalik aja masih bisa jalan :big_biglaugh:
Iya betul, Wuling EV sih ga bisa diajak ngebut. Dibawa ke toll juga serem apalagi suka pindah2 jalur.

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grimjow wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:23
Iya betul, Wuling EV sih ga bisa diajak ngebut. Dibawa ke toll juga serem apalagi suka pindah2 jalur.

coba dia naek brio pasti lsg behave kayak pro driver :wkkk:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 09:38 lihat kekurangannya, kok banyak hal esensial ya.

jok tipis dan keras
driving position tidak enak
limbung (liat waktu dia goyang goyangin di tol keliatan limbung banget)
peletakan tombol2 nya tidak user friendly.
software interface kalo dijadiin keunggulan juga tidak praktis kan katanya.

instant torque? 0-100 in 24detik. motor cuma 40hp (1/2 power dari mesin daihatsu ayla 1.2 yang harganya hampir 50% lebih murah).

ya kalo mobil beginian jadi masspro saya kok malesnya nanti pasti banyak lanehogger :big_bored:
Harusnya mobil beginian okelah dapet plat khusus EV bebas ganjil-genap, tapi ndak boleh masuk tol :upss: :upss:
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b0ku wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:01
Bibieight wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:00 Nah dibandingin Wuling EV, kalau ini :
https://2cev.co.uk/
Dijadikan mobil listrik malah lebih bener ya ?. Sayang pabriknya di Indonesia sudah tamat riwayatnya, kalau masih ada kan bisa buka spesial order jadi EV. Kalau 2CV listrik harga 300 juta vs Wuling EV harga 300 juta mending 2CV kan ya ?
baru saya omongin wuling ev teknologi chasis sama drivtrainnya ya mirip2x kek 2 cv ini :big_biglaugh:

Koq kayaknya masih lebih stabil 2CV drpd Wuling Air ini ya ?... itu peredamnya kan friksi piston suspensinya, biasanya limbung kalo dah tipis... (bapak sy pernah punya, tp yg Dyane :big_peace: ). FWD, tp longitudinal, kabin rata, belakang juga ndak sesempit Wuling. Emang si jok depan blakang masih model bangku.
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grimjow wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:23
wah gila sehh air ev lari 80 ketemu tikungan rasanya kayak gmn ban kurus gitu :big_bored:

tp itu selamat loh orangnya.. dan mobil nya terlihat gak remuk2 amat.. wahahah
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Bibieight wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 12:11 Koq kayaknya masih lebih stabil 2CV drpd Wuling Air ini ya ?... itu peredamnya kan friksi piston suspensinya, biasanya limbung kalo dah tipis... (bapak sy pernah punya, tp yg Dyane :big_peace: ). FWD, tp longitudinal, kabin rata, belakang juga ndak sesempit Wuling. Emang si jok depan blakang masih model bangku.
karena lebih lebar sama gak keliatan jangkung modelnya uniknya lagi ini salah satu design ferdinand porsche pas dia di tahan sama perancis :big_biglaugh:

dan tujuan utamanya ni mobil buat petani gak heran spacenya gede dan simple
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daimler wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:37
Harusnya mobil beginian okelah dapet plat khusus EV bebas ganjil-genap, tapi ndak boleh masuk tol :upss: :upss:
yang ironis kan motor gede dilarang masuk tol, tapi odong-odong death trap gini boleh. pdhl secara performa dan safety, lebih stabil handlingnya motor gede 600cc-1000cc masuk tol ketimbang wuling EV.

yah tp pemerintah lg hanimun sama mobil listrik sih, euforia semua-semua pemerintahan harus pake mobil listrik... soal bahaya ngga boleh masuk tol nanti malah bikin "bisnis" mobil listriknya terhambat :mky_03:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 14:14
daimler wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:37
Harusnya mobil beginian okelah dapet plat khusus EV bebas ganjil-genap, tapi ndak boleh masuk tol :upss: :upss:
yang ironis kan motor gede dilarang masuk tol, tapi odong-odong death trap gini boleh. pdhl secara performa dan safety, lebih stabil handlingnya motor gede 600cc-1000cc masuk tol ketimbang wuling EV.

yah tp pemerintah lg hanimun sama mobil listrik sih, euforia semua-semua pemerintahan harus pake mobil listrik... soal bahaya ngga boleh masuk tol nanti malah bikin "bisnis" mobil listriknya terhambat :mky_03:
IMHO pemerintah mestinya bikin kategori kendaraan yang bole lewat di kelas jalan tertentu...ni balik2 ke keselamatan usernya juga..
misal : mobil ukuran sekian, berat sekian, horsepower sekian... ga bole lewat di tol & sebaliknya yg ukuran sekian dst ga bole lewat di jalan lebar sekian...
utk sy sendiri mobil kecil begini...atau yg model2 kei car gitu...koq kayak kurang safe dipake di tol
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Liat disini : https://oto.detik.com/berita/d-6295082/ ... or-listrik .
Kepala negara-nya pakai G80, selevel lah sama serie 5 atau E-Class, dibawahnya pakai BZ4X, masih gedean Ioniq 5 daripada ini, tapi dah moderen keren lah... naaah ternyata ada delegasi yang kebagian Wuling Air EV, kira2 delegasi bagian apa ya yang kebagian Wuling EV ? :big_think: :big_think: :big_think: . Koq kesian bener jauh2 datang ke Nusa Dua cuma buat diputer2in pakai Wuling EV :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh:
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Bibieight wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 16:01 Liat disini : https://oto.detik.com/berita/d-6295082/ ... or-listrik .
Kepala negara-nya pakai G80, selevel lah sama serie 5 atau E-Class, dibawahnya pakai BZ4X, masih gedean Ioniq 5 daripada ini, tapi dah moderen keren lah... naaah ternyata ada delegasi yang kebagian Wuling Air EV, kira2 delegasi bagian apa ya yang kebagian Wuling EV ? :big_think: :big_think: :big_think: . Koq kesian bener jauh2 datang ke Nusa Dua cuma buat diputer2in pakai Wuling EV :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh:
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ChZ wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 14:14
daimler wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 11:37
Harusnya mobil beginian okelah dapet plat khusus EV bebas ganjil-genap, tapi ndak boleh masuk tol :upss: :upss:
yang ironis kan motor gede dilarang masuk tol, tapi odong-odong death trap gini boleh. pdhl secara performa dan safety, lebih stabil handlingnya motor gede 600cc-1000cc masuk tol ketimbang wuling EV.

yah tp pemerintah lg hanimun sama mobil listrik sih, euforia semua-semua pemerintahan harus pake mobil listrik... soal bahaya ngga boleh masuk tol nanti malah bikin "bisnis" mobil listriknya terhambat :mky_03:
Tunggu ada yg jadi rempeyek mbah di tol, baru dah tuh mulai pd mikir safety factornya. Skrng masih seneng2 ada moblis murah cuman 200 jt an. Nanti kalo amit2 knp2 baru kepikir nyawa itu mahal harganya :mky_03:
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Bibieight wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 16:01 Liat disini : https://oto.detik.com/berita/d-6295082/ ... or-listrik .
Kepala negara-nya pakai G80, selevel lah sama serie 5 atau E-Class, dibawahnya pakai BZ4X, masih gedean Ioniq 5 daripada ini, tapi dah moderen keren lah... naaah ternyata ada delegasi yang kebagian Wuling Air EV, kira2 delegasi bagian apa ya yang kebagian Wuling EV ? :big_think: :big_think: :big_think: . Koq kesian bener jauh2 datang ke Nusa Dua cuma buat diputer2in pakai Wuling EV :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh:
BZ4X konon ga jadi dipake dan diganti UX300e.
Kena recall gara2 bannya bisa copot sendiri.
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kendibocor wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 18:44
Tunggu ada yg jadi rempeyek mbah di tol, baru dah tuh mulai pd mikir safety factornya. Skrng masih seneng2 ada moblis murah cuman 200 jt an. Nanti kalo amit2 knp2 baru kepikir nyawa itu mahal harganya :mky_03:
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Ternyata uda ada yang pernah bongkar ya Mini Ev beginian.
Yang bongkar Professor dari Jepang. Sadis hasil bongkaran nya, tapi ya saya harus akui hebat tuh produsen Cina bisa bikin cost reduction tingkat dewa gitu.

At 28,800 yuan ($4,500), the Hongguang Mini EV has become a big seller in certain Chinese cities and villages. In Japan, a Nagoya University professor disassembled the electric vehicle to discover what kind of alchemy the manufacturer used to set such a low price.

Rather than wizardry, professor Masayoshi Yamamoto discovered a neat trick that SAIC-GM-Wuling Automobile pulled off -- the use of cheap, not-so-durable parts put together in a way that makes them easy to replace.

The Japan Management Association imported the top-of-the-line Mini EV, priced at 38,800 yuan ($6,000), to exhibit at an event. Professor Masayoshi Yamamoto and others took the vehicle apart after the exhibition and estimated the total cost of the vehicle's parts and assembly at 480,000 yen ($4,200).

The Mini EV has no regenerative braking system, which has greatly reduced its cost. Regenerative braking converts the rotational force of the wheels when a car is slowing down into electricity, then returns the power to the in-vehicle battery.

The system is essential to extending an electric vehicle's range, but it is not used in the Mini EV. As a result, the range of the high-end model, which has a battery with a 13.9 kWh capacity, is 170 km, slightly short for that amount of battery capacity.
The range is sufficient "if the car is charged at home and is driven only in nearby areas," Yamamoto said. The exclusion of regenerative braking also makes possible the use of simple electrical equipment. For example, the cost of the inverter, which changes direct current into alternating current, was reduced to about $140. Many inverters go for around $530.

The electric vehicle also forgoes a liquid cooling system for the motor and other parts in favor of an air-cooled system. Since the power semiconductor inside the inverter and other electronic components are affected by heat, the inverter's expected life span has been set at eight years, or 120,000 km.

The Mini EV is likely to suffer more problems than many electric vehicles, most of which are designed to last for 20 years, or 200,000 km. But this might not be as big of a trade-off as one might guess. To make up for this difference, the Mini EV is designed so the inverter and other modules can be easily swapped out, Yamamoto said.
The automaker was able to further reduce costs by using off-the-shelf parts and components. The speed reducer, which adjusts the torque of the Chinese-made motor, uses Chinese-made commodity ball bearings rather than specially designed bearings; both meet performance requirements.
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grimjow wrote: 30 Sep 2022, 20:39 Yang bongkar Professor dari Jepang. Sadis hasil bongkaran nya, tapi ya saya harus akui hebat tuh produsen Cina bisa bikin cost reduction tingkat dewa gitu.

At 28,800 yuan ($4,500), the Hongguang Mini EV has become a big seller in certain Chinese cities and villages. In Japan, a Nagoya University professor disassembled the electric vehicle to discover what kind of alchemy the manufacturer used to set such a low price.

The Japan Management Association imported the top-of-the-line Mini EV, priced at 38,800 yuan ($6,000), to exhibit at an event. Professor Masayoshi Yamamoto and others took the vehicle apart after the exhibition and estimated the total cost of the vehicle's parts and assembly at 480,000 yen ($4,200).

The automaker was able to further reduce costs by using off-the-shelf parts and components. The speed reducer, which adjusts the torque of the Chinese-made motor, uses Chinese-made commodity ball bearings rather than specially designed bearings; both meet performance requirements.
hohoho, jadi harga di mainland 68juta, si prof ngimpor sendiri yang top end model di 90juta (entah biaya impor+custom berapa, kemungkinan off the road karena untuk dibongkar), tetapi apakah pajak + cost impor kita masuk diakal untuk otr di 250juta buat mobil ini?
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grimjow wrote: 30 Sep 2022, 20:39

The Mini EV is likely to suffer more problems than many electric vehicles, most of which are designed to last for 20 years, or 200,000 km. But this might not be as big of a trade-off as one might guess. To make up for this difference, the Mini EV is designed so the inverter and other modules can be easily swapped out, Yamamoto said.
The automaker was able to further reduce costs by using off-the-shelf parts and components. The speed reducer, which adjusts the torque of the Chinese-made motor, uses Chinese-made commodity ball bearings rather than specially designed bearings; both meet performance requirements.
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dari sini saja sudah ketahuan, diperlakukan sebagai produk elektronik tapi ada rodanya dan road legal :big_biglaugh:
konsumen zaman now apalagi generasi milenial keatas mana peduli, karena sudah biasa dengan produk yang umur pakai ga sampe 5 tahun, beda dengan generasi dibawahnya, ngerasain gimana sakti barang buatan Germany dan Japan yg kena nuclear war bisa selamet :big_biglaugh: makanya cari mobil yg awet, dijual lagi hargaya lebih mahal dari barunya, terus mesti tahan kompor pedege, bahan bakar pake apa aja yg penting murah dan gelinding. :big_weee:
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grimjow wrote: 30 Sep 2022, 20:39 Ternyata uda ada yang pernah bongkar ya Mini Ev beginian.
Yang bongkar Professor dari Jepang. Sadis hasil bongkaran nya, tapi ya saya harus akui hebat tuh produsen Cina bisa bikin cost reduction tingkat dewa gitu.
cut ...
ini chinese way banget hahaha, sepengetahuan saya sebuah barang itu semakin modular+adjustable+interchangeable parts+portable justru bagus buat mereka
tapi di sisi lain sebetulnya mindset engineering begini menurut saya lebih cocok untuk negara berkembang dengan budget tipis seperti kita, kalau disini dijual baru 60-70 jt saya pribadi jg tertarik, kalau rusak selama parts elektroniknya cuma yg common parts ya tinggal beli di toko elektronik,
tidak punya uang untuk bayar bengkel / tidak ada infrastruktur bengkel ya bongkar sendiri, kaki2 & transmisi kalau desain gampang kan pasti yg jual / buat aftermarket nya banyak, dsb
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